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2025-11-21 Government Corruption

Trump demands arrest of Dem 'traitors' who urged military to refuse 'illegal orders'

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Posted by Fred 2025-11-21 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [1824 views ] Top

1 Aren't there six extra nice rooms for this bunch at one of our Federal Pens?

Posted by Oregon Dave 2025-11-21 01:25|| 2025-11-21 01:25|| Front Page Top

2 lead is cheaper

Posted by chris 2025-11-21 04:30|| 2025-11-21 04:30|| Front Page Top

3 In a dictatorship, they never would have pulled the stunt, because they would all be dead right now, yet the dictator trope will continue to be uttered like a leftist Hail Mary.

Posted by Super Hose 2025-11-21 05:38|| 2025-11-21 05:38|| Front Page Top

4 "You can refuse illegal orders ... you must refuse illegal orders. No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our Constitution."

Sorry guys, but they're absolutely correct. Now if you want to talk about what they want you to believe is illegal...

Posted by Mercutio 2025-11-21 09:10|| 2025-11-21 09:10|| Front Page Top

5 You must refuse illegal orders, but you had better be right in thinking they are illegal (there are procedures available to help you.) The implication was that Trump was issuing illegal orders, though they were not specified, thus encouraging service members to disobey. Similarly, Trump did not say the military and intelligence officers making those 'suggestions' should be killed, but rather 'executed,' implying trial, conviction, and sentencing. IMO that sentence is extremely unlikely, though there may be fair grounds that the officers have engaged in sedition or insurrection (certainly more so than Trump on Jan 6.)

Posted by Glenmore 2025-11-21 10:09|| 2025-11-21 10:09|| Front Page Top

6 Mark Kelly Claims Trump ‘Doesn’t Understand’ Law, Constitution, Uniform Code of Military Justice

Posted by Skidmark 2025-11-21 10:17|| 2025-11-21 10:17|| Front Page Top

7 So arrest them and put them on trial. Even if they're acquitted they must endure the distraction of defending themselves and the expense of lawyers. The process is the punishment. Right? Give them a dose of their own medicine.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2025-11-21 11:55|| 2025-11-21 11:55|| Front Page Top

8 #4 - Gen Milley violated the chain of command as established by the Goldwater–Nichols Act ordering any orders from the President first had to be cleared by him. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs is not in the chain of command. The JC is suppose to coordinate and support theater commands, it does not have command authority. Did you see these people get their trunks twisted up about that? I recall a pardon by the Autopen. The only illegal orders I've seen have been by federal judges who are not part of the chain of command nor granted power by the legislative branch over the military.

Posted by Procopius2k 2025-11-21 12:20|| 2025-11-21 12:20|| Front Page Top

9 Spent 8 years in the Marines. The concept of "illegal orders" came up in Boot Camp, and other times. As did the UCMJ.
We were told in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS, that if you refused an order just because YOU thought it was "illegal", you damn well better have clarified with someone above you...even if you had to skip ranks.
Because if you did NOT do so, then the hammer of the UCMJ would squash you like a bug!
Further, anyone ENCOURAGING you refuse orders, could and would be charged with conspiracy, among other things.
In eight years I received lots or orders I didn't like, even a couple I thought were shaky. But I NEVER considered skipping up the chain to report "illegal orders".

Posted by Thumper Flaviling1354 2025-11-21 12:54|| 2025-11-21 12:54|| Front Page Top

10 Thx for your 8 years Flav.

Posted by Besoeker 2025-11-21 14:24|| 2025-11-21 14:24|| Front Page Top

11 Mark Kelly at least is a retired Naval officer. Can he be recalled to active duty and charged with inciting mutiny?

Posted by Rambler 2025-11-21 15:49|| 2025-11-21 15:49|| Front Page Top

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