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2005-09-23 Home Front: WoT

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Posted by Steve 2005-09-23 09:23|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11133 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 HOO_RAA!!!! SEMPER-FI,and the Army should also intensify their traning in combat shooting!!

Posted by ARMYGUY 2005-09-23 10:01|| 2005-09-23 10:01|| Front Page Top

#2 It's natural for the military to be different in peacetime than during war. I remember hearing of the disappointment of peacetime Marine trainees who expected Jack Webb-style DIs and extreme endurance and physical discipline training at boot camp, instead to find that much of it is classroom, with demerits for punishment.

In truth, in peacetime they are right. Marines who are classroom brains are much more useful than muscle-Jethros, and are what they need for their mission. Technology leads the way. Brute force lags.

Only after war has dragged down technology, that is, when technology has peaked in how much it can do, does the military really need the bare-knuckle fighters. And the irony is that bare-knuckle fighting is best taught by the fighters themselves, and always has been.

So now, finally, with a new crop of "them who have been there and done that", do they have instructors who truly understand what is needed at the front. And so the training changes to fit that need.

It will also trickle up through the officer corps. While there are always commanders gifted at real combat leadership, the masters only become known in actual combat. And their lessons learned will set the course for military doctrine in the future, as the lessons of the Vietnam vets have set it up today.

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-09-23 10:25|| 2005-09-23 10:25|| Front Page Top

#3 Seriously, since the Marines have the training up and running, simply rotate the other forces through the Marine's system, one at a time.
And don't forget the Coast Guard.

Competition is a good thing, let's see the other forces trying to be "As Good" as the Marines.
I wanna watch this. Lotsa Popcorn please.
One thing I hated about the Navy is the almost complete lack of combat type training, they figured the Swabbies didn't need it, the Marines got it all, total weapons training was to fire 10 rounds on M-1 copies (chambered for .22LR) in Boot, and 3 years later 8 rounds from a 1911-A2 (A-2 is Dark Stainless.45) This in 4 years, pitiful, I knew more about weaponry before going in, than I ever got while in.
Don't say we got the Big Guns, very few went anywhere near them.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-09-23 10:51|| 2005-09-23 10:51|| Front Page Top

#4 RJ: You dasn't put other forces through Marine training, because that is not what you want them to be or do.

This is for much the same reason you don't see very many Airborne Ranger Finance Corps people out there. Specialization is what makes the Army.

Some years ago, the Air Force tried to train its security people with light Army training. They did okay, but were miserable later because their assigned jobs had little need for such training.

14 out of 15 jobs in the military as a whole are not adventures, they are just jobs. The military really needs employees for these jobs, not warriors. US Army - we're looking for a whole bunch of good clerks.

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-09-23 12:03|| 2005-09-23 12:03|| Front Page Top

#5 US Army - we're looking for a whole bunch of good clerks.

Had a friend in college that was in the Reserves, Civil Affairs. We called him The Fighting Administrator after he came back from the Gulf War. 'You pay. I'll cover!'

His famous quote: "Every week, they gave me $10,000 and a hummer." I always thought that would be a GREAT recruiting poster.

Posted by PsychoHillbilly 2005-09-23 14:50|| 2005-09-23 14:50|| Front Page Top

#6 I think every serviceman should be able to inspect/disassemble a M-48 ADCAP, and use simple circular slides to calculate aim-off for the above. It's good training.

Posted by Shipman 2005-09-23 17:13|| 2005-09-23 17:13|| Front Page Top

#7 PH - ROFL! Hysterically great post! Lol...

Posted by .com 2005-09-23 17:21|| 2005-09-23 17:21|| Front Page Top

#8 "Every week, they gave me $10,000 and a hummer."

Put that up in a highschool and the recruits will be FIGHTING to get in line.

Posted by Charles 2005-09-23 21:09|| 2005-09-23 21:09|| Front Page Top

#9 I'm one of those Air Force "warriors" that got caught in a combat situation in Vietnam, and lack of training SUCKS! The only thing I had going for me was that I'm an old Louisiana farm boy, and used to hunt to put food on the table. I'd STRONGLY encourage the military to give every enlistee, every junior officer, a two-week training course on "what to do when the sh** hits the fan", and give refresher courses every three or four years. You never know when you might need that knowledge. Nowadays, the need is popping up far more often than it ever did in Vietnam!

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