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2021-04-08 -War on Police-

Chauvin Trial Day 8 Wrap-Up: ‘I Ate Too Many Drugs’ Video May Be Game-Changer

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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-04-08 05:37|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11130 views ] Top

#1 Seems to me that the testimony of Chauvin's entire chain of command that his use of force was excessive and unacceptable will be all the jurors need to hear to come up with the desired verdict.

Posted by Glenmore 2021-04-08 06:47|| 2021-04-08 06:47|| Front Page Top

#2 /\ They certainly abandoned him. What did his annual performance appraisals say ?

Posted by Besoeker 2021-04-08 07:07|| 2021-04-08 07:07|| Front Page Top

#3 ...which is one thing I like about a courts martial, the panel can cross examine witnesses not just the lawyers. Usually handled with the questions being passed in writing to the judge to review, who then asks the questions.

Posted by Procopius2k 2021-04-08 08:21|| 2021-04-08 08:21|| Front Page Top

#4 of the Los Angeles Police Department

On the third hand, he's African-American

Symbolic nod to Rodney King Reformations.

I am surprised this glorified HR Officer has any street experience at all.

Here's what nobody wants to talk about. "I can't Breathe" has been a ploy used by suspects being arrested For Years, since the dawn of cell phones which can record video and maybe further as a tool to help plea down a charge or even sue for monetary damages.

Posted by swksvolFF 2021-04-08 11:02|| 2021-04-08 11:02|| Front Page Top

#5 The only piece of evidence that should matter is the toxicology report that shows Floyd had three times enough fentanyl in his system to kill him. That should be enough for any reasonable juror to have doubts about whether Chauvin's knee was the cause of death. Yes, yes, I understand that we can't count on the jurors to be reasonable.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2021-04-08 11:06|| 2021-04-08 11:06|| Front Page Top

#6 Chauvin killed him, plain and simple.

I've seen/met too many like him, they are true cowards.

Posted by Yosemite Sam 2021-04-08 11:12|| 2021-04-08 11:12|| Front Page Top

#7 Sam__ Chauvin is 5'9" 140# - Floyd 6'3" 220#. Your definition of cowardice needs some work.

Posted by Mercutio 2021-04-08 11:41|| 2021-04-08 11:41|| Front Page Top

#8 Sam:

1. Chauvin's knee was mostly on Floyd's the shoulder blades and back -- as the state's own expert use-of-force witness testified yesterday

2. You can't strangle or asphyxiated someone with your knee on the shoulder blades and back. You can't strangle or asphyxiated someone with your knee on the back of the neck. Check your anatomy & physiology textbooks if you doubt this.

3. Chauvin and the team's behavior was not illegal or even negligent. The state's own witnesses testified that they themselves have been forced to apply the exact same techniques on multiple occasions to violent, non-compliant, drug-using Susie ra like Floyd.

Got that? The STATE'S OWN EXPERTS testified in support of Chauvin!

This is 100% a political show trial. Stalin and Beria would be proud.

Posted by Flusing Thrusoling7538 2021-04-08 12:16|| 2021-04-08 12:16|| Front Page Top

#9 testimony of Chauvin's entire chain of command that his use of force was excessive and unacceptable

... except that their own use of force experts' testimony CONTRADICTED this non-expert conclusion.

This mirrors how the subjective conclusion of "homicide" is completely undermined by the actual, empirical evidence from the medical examiner's report:

1) the Toxicology report showing not only 3x the fatal dosage of fentanyl, along with significant amounts of methamphetamine, plus

2) detailed analysis of the limbs back neck and brain and other organs showing zero evidence of trauma that would indicate asphyxiation or strangulation or compression of the rib cage.

This case should not have come to trial.

It is a politically-motivated prosecution, pure and simple

Posted by Gomez Elmomong4789 2021-04-08 12:25|| 2021-04-08 12:25|| Front Page Top

#10 Symbolic nod to Rodney King Reformations.

Actually to Niven & Pournelle.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-04-08 12:35|| 2021-04-08 12:35|| Front Page Top

#11 Here's a detailed, intelligent, careful medical analysis of both the BS state autopsy and the more reliable medical examiner's analysis with its toxicology report

Posted by Ebbart Omerenter3510 2021-04-08 12:37|| 2021-04-08 12:37|| Front Page Top

#12 Yup, much more accurate.

Posted by swksvolFF 2021-04-08 12:43|| 2021-04-08 12:43|| Front Page Top

#13 #7 Sam__ Chauvin is 5'9" 140# - Floyd 6'3" 220#. Your definition of cowardice needs some work.

Chauvin hid behind his badge and gun. Physical size is irrelevant. Floyd didn't try to go toe-2-toe with him. Chauvin is a coward.

Posted by Yosemite Sam 2021-04-08 12:58|| 2021-04-08 12:58|| Front Page Top

#14 key point yet to make it in trial are signs, either from camera view of Floyd or physical exam, that seem to point to physical asphyxiation vs fentenyl based respiratory suppression

Posted by Lord Garth 2021-04-08 13:30|| 2021-04-08 13:30|| Front Page Top

#15 The body cam footage showing he put his knee on the shoulder not the neck was available to the chain of command before the riots erupted. Gotta wonder why nothing was done to save the cities and lives.

Posted by rjschwarz 2021-04-08 13:42|| 2021-04-08 13:42|| Front Page Top

#16 Sam, you seem to imply it wasn't a fair fight...How you can describe it as cowardice when it was Law Enforcement not a duel, and the smart criminals know to not resist and therefore don't get the non-compliance techniques. Your assertions show a level of naivety or insufficient analysis.

Posted by NoMoreBS 2021-04-08 13:45|| 2021-04-08 13:45|| Front Page Top

#17 Also his chain of command admitted that when Floyd was actively resisting when Chauvin got there, he could have legally tazed him. The on the ground hold that he did is considered by departments to be a de-escalation of the event and it is department policy to continue to apply the hold, especially when there is a hostile crowd and releasing the detained man could allow him to start fighting again, until EMT shows up.

Spewing out hostile shit based of no knowledge of what is going on is what the far left does. Read what is going on before making a final decision. I am waiting for all evidence to come in before passing final judgement.

Posted by DarthVader 2021-04-08 13:46|| 2021-04-08 13:46|| Front Page Top

#18

The gunman who killed multiple people including a prominent doctor in South Carolina was the former NFL pro Phillip Adams, who killed himself early Thursday, April 8, 2021, according to a source who was briefed on the investigation.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-04-08 14:22|| 2021-04-08 14:22|| Front Page Top

#19 What on earth is going on?
How can the prosecution be so clownishly incompetent?

Here's Andrew Branca:

It almost boggles the mind. Can the state really have thought it a good idea, in a case of this magnitude with such stakes—literally, both Chauvin facing possible life in prison and urban centers all over the nation facing an explicit threat of widespread rioting, looting, and arson—to retain as their use-of-force expert witness someone who had never before testified as such in court?

Does that make any sense?

Why? Is it possible they literally could not find another use-of-force expert witness willing to provide the testimony they wanted? This was their last option for the narrative they wanted told to the jury?

Posted by Jack Gleagum8483 2021-04-08 18:43|| 2021-04-08 18:43|| Front Page Top

#20 Still more from today's shitshow. Remember, this is the STATE'S WITNESS hand-feeding the Defense everything it needs to ensure reasonable doubt in the jury's minds. From Branca's summary:

[Defense Counsel] Nelson asked if it wasn’t true that there were certain situations that by their very nature created an exceptionally heightened concern on the part of responding officers. Like a domestic.

Or like a robbery, or a shooting, [State witness MPD Sergeant] Stiger helpfully suggested. Love the ironic "helpfully"!

Sure, answered Nelson. So, sometimes an officer might have to be prepared for an increased risk.

I wouldn’t agree with that, said Stiger.

Oh? Explain

An officer should be prepared for the highest level of risk in every encounter.

So, every time an officer responds, there’s an inherent risk, it’s the nature of policing, and a reasonable officer has to be prepared for the risk level to change?

Stiger: Correct.

It’s hard to imagine more helpful testimony for the defense. ...

Then there's the cherry on top -- Sgt Stiger noting, helpfully (to the Defense once again), that Floyd's huge size "made no difference" to the decision to use force. Branch recounts the cross-examination again:

Is the fact of Floyd’s size of particular concern, asked Nelson?

I wouldn’t say so, said Stiger.

Oh? Explain.

Well, Stiger answered, I’ve seen even small suspects be even more dangerous than large ones.

Holy. Cow. In other words, it’s not a case where an officer should not infer greater risk from a large suspect, it’s a case where an officer should infer that same risk from even small suspects.

Posted by Wholurong Oppressor of the Giants1755 2021-04-08 18:57|| 2021-04-08 18:57|| Front Page Top

#21 Sam__ Chauvin is 5'9" 140# - Floyd 6'3" 220#. Your definition of cowardice needs some work.

How many street fights have you've been in, Yosemite Sam? I've been in at least twenty over the years. I am not saying this in order to brag, I'm merely stating fact. Physics matter.

Even in my prime (22, with a purple belt in Shotokan Karate over two years of training and a veteran of one bar fight where I put two people in the hospital and kicked the living snot outta eight others, amply assisted by my older brother Ray, who at 160 the best pound for pound fighter I'll ever know, and I mean better than Hagler or Tommy Hearns), giving up 80 pounds in a fight is a serious disadvantage.

Sorry, not with you on this one, mate.

Posted by Raj 2021-04-08 19:07|| 2021-04-08 19:07|| Front Page Top

#22 FWIW, I was 6' 0" and about 185 back then (and at 56 years of age, I still am!); lifted weights for five years before doing Shotokan. The lifting made you a tad slower with speed, so that's when I bagged weights. Speed is a better determinant in who wins fights.

Posted by Raj 2021-04-08 19:16|| 2021-04-08 19:16|| Front Page Top

#23 They overcharged the cop to appease the political pressure groups, simple as that. They knew there wasnt much of a chance to get a conviction on the Murder-2 charge.

This junk simply means the Murder charges are pretty much gone. Manslaughter will be the highest charge that is left at this point and even then, they have to PROVE that Chavin's actions were primary in causing the death.

Otherwise they are contributory, and the absence of malice and deliberate intent to injure or kill will leave them with Criminally Negligent Homocide as the only charges left because of lack of malicious intent.

For Criminally Negligent Homicide or Involuntary Manslaughter, The prosecution only needs:

The defendant was aware of the risks associated with the actions that led to the other person’s death.

The defendant acted, or failed to act appropriately in a dangerous situation, and that action or inaction caused the victim’s death.

There is a direct link between the defendant’s conduct and the victim’s death.

Unlike the murder charges, there doesn't need to be malice or intent proven, and a lot of the bungling by the prosecution will not damage their chances at this charge. This is all they have left. I'd say watch and see if there is more effort now towards showing that the cop had INACTION when he should have acted, so they can nail down point number 2. 1 seems pretty obvious. And 3 will come down to showing contributory, not complete causal, linkage, which they probably can do.

Posted by These Forkbeard7574 2021-04-08 19:27|| 2021-04-08 19:27|| Front Page Top

#24 Is the prosecution throwing the trial?

Perhaps their masters really do want to set off another summer of violence?

Posted by Slarong Snerese5580 2021-04-08 20:40|| 2021-04-08 20:40|| Front Page Top

#25 ^ Keith Ellison would love that. It might be that he's the one driving the prosecution bus over the cliff

Posted by Thaviling Cresh6799 2021-04-08 20:43|| 2021-04-08 20:43|| Front Page Top

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