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2011-04-27 Home Front: Politix
Zero's Long Form Released - Why Now?
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Posted by Glenmore 2011-04-27 09:17|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11132 views ]  Top

#1 To distract from some really crappy economic/war in Libya news later today, at around 5 pm Eastern?
Posted by Swamp Blondie 2011-04-27 10:05||   2011-04-27 10:05|| Front Page Top

#2 Say.....

...Isn't that a Microsoft WORD Font?
Posted by CrazyFool 2011-04-27 10:27||   2011-04-27 10:27|| Front Page Top

#3 the first words on a birth certificate are "Birth Certificate"

Who cares about the long form of the wrong document?
Posted by flash91 2011-04-27 11:04||   2011-04-27 11:04|| Front Page Top

#4 Why spend the money to suppress it earlier? Curious.

Also, the citizenship issue based on the birth certificate goes to his alligence. Based on his first term we know his allegence is not the same as traditional Americans. He's anti-American, hence the BC is moot.
Posted by Hellfish 2011-04-27 11:15||   2011-04-27 11:15|| Front Page Top

#5 Never doubted that once he became president he would be able to produce any documentation he needed. That said, this "long form" is crap. They didn't even try. Shows utter contempt for the other side.
Posted by Jock the Salmon 2011-04-27 11:28||   2011-04-27 11:28|| Front Page Top

#6 Good that this is out there. Now can we move on to the real reasons to oppose this man as president and fight his policies and stop his laws and beat him in 2012?
Posted by The Other Beldar 2011-04-27 11:45||   2011-04-27 11:45|| Front Page Top

#7 My daughter was born in Hawaii, same document so LET IT GO! We don't need this type of baggage going into 2012.
Posted by Cyber Sarge  2011-04-27 11:53||   2011-04-27 11:53|| Front Page Top

#8 Another Fake but Accurate moment? Waving the BC at the camera before returning it to the vault?
Posted by Muggsy Glink 2011-04-27 11:59||   2011-04-27 11:59|| Front Page Top

#9 Cheech and Chong voice: Doood, your mom's name is Stanley!

Snark of the Day to CrazyFool in #2. Apparently, The Donald was having an effect. And I gotta ask: what's on the part we can't see?
Posted by SteveS 2011-04-27 12:02||   2011-04-27 12:02|| Front Page Top

#10 
Rantburg editorial policy is that we don't permit or put up with the Birther nonsense. I'm letting this one go because, after all, it provides a link to the president's long-form BC.

But keep in mind that we will NOT tolerate birther advocacy. Posts and and comments that do that WILL be deleted.

AoS
Posted by Steve White 2011-04-27 12:13||   2011-04-27 12:13|| Front Page Top

#11 So Obama gave a speech today about the birther nonsense because he can't be distracted from the important matters of the affairs of state? Come on!
Posted by JohnQC 2011-04-27 12:19||   2011-04-27 12:19|| Front Page Top

#12 Now that Trump has won, he can go on to what I suspect was his real target all along, academic records. Obama lost this round and set himself up for further losses. By hiding something when he had nothing to hide he has actually reduced his bona fides for transparency and credibility.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2011-04-27 12:22||   2011-04-27 12:22|| Front Page Top

#13 re: why now? - Bernanke has a major press conference today.
Posted by lotp 2011-04-27 12:24||   2011-04-27 12:24|| Front Page Top

#14 Like a fisherman, Obama played the birthers until the hook was set.
Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2011-04-27 12:36||   2011-04-27 12:36|| Front Page Top

#15 Could somebody please remind me of the serious conversation el Prez was discussing before Trump started pushing this?
Posted by swksvolFF 2011-04-27 12:42||   2011-04-27 12:42|| Front Page Top

#16 Open the file in Adobe Illustrator, click in the center and then right click and select release clipping mask. Hilarity ensues.

If I were to make something fake, I'd do it properly. It is mindboggling that Obozo let this sloppy job out.
Posted by twobyfour 2011-04-27 13:08||   2011-04-27 13:08|| Front Page Top

#17 GolfBravoUSMC, Obozo played no one. The cert is a fake. Genuine fake.
Posted by twobyfour 2011-04-27 13:10||   2011-04-27 13:10|| Front Page Top

#18 Not everyone has adobe illustrator---could you post it 2x4?
Posted by gr(o)mgoru 2011-04-27 13:17||   2011-04-27 13:17|| Front Page Top

#19 Steve, I don't know where 0 was born. He may have been born in HI. But why the fake cert? He should have hired a pro.
Posted by twobyfour 2011-04-27 13:18||   2011-04-27 13:18|| Front Page Top

#20 grom, not much time at the moment. Someone already did the analysis @ http://bryankeithnixon.com/?p=103, but it is drudgelanched at time being.
I may do it later today.
Posted by twobyfour 2011-04-27 13:21||   2011-04-27 13:21|| Front Page Top

#21 Thanks.
Posted by gr(o)mgoru 2011-04-27 13:29||   2011-04-27 13:29|| Front Page Top

#22 Just the screenshot of unseparated layers (the blue outlines).

Enjoy
Posted by twobyfour 2011-04-27 13:35||   2011-04-27 13:35|| Front Page Top

#23 1
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Posted by twobyfour 2011-04-27 13:54||   2011-04-27 13:54|| Front Page Top

#24 Steve? Anyone? Could we get an opinion / more info on this please?
Posted by Whiskey Mike 2011-04-27 14:13||   2011-04-27 14:13|| Front Page Top

#25 Layers? Jeez. I was really hoping this was the end of it. But that does strike me as strange.

What also strikes me as strange, assuming the information is accurate, is how an 18-year-old Kansas girl wound up in Hawaii having babies with a black guy - in 1961. Quite unusual. And then at some point baby daddy split and somehow he wound up growing up in Indonesia? No wonder he's so screwed up.
Posted by RandomJD 2011-04-27 14:25||   2011-04-27 14:25|| Front Page Top

#26 Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children was a customer of mine in the early Eighties.

It was the result of a merger in 1978 of Kauikeolani Children's Hospital and Kapi‘olani Maternity Home.

I am not familiar with the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital
Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2011-04-27 14:52||   2011-04-27 14:52|| Front Page Top

#27 "how an 18-year-old Kansas girl wound up in Hawaii having babies with a black guy - in 1961. Quite unusual"

I don't think it was so unusual in Hawaii, RJD, though probably so in the rest of the country. She was a radical, so probably slept with communist Obozo Senior to establish her bona fides. (or maybe she actually loved him; there's no accounting for taste)
Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2011-04-27 14:58||   2011-04-27 14:58|| Front Page Top

#28 • Finally, the “Signature of Local Registrar” in box 21 may be a desperate attempt at establishing the document’s Hawaiian authenticity. Note to forgers: It is spelled “Ukulele
Posted by Beavis 2011-04-27 15:12||   2011-04-27 15:12|| Front Page Top

#29 I suppose, Barbara. It doesn't matter. He's a Keynesian and everyone knows it.

Oh lord. Grom, you don't need Illustrator. Just zoom way in, 400%+. Every letter has a white field around it.
Posted by RandomJD 2011-04-27 15:19||   2011-04-27 15:19|| Front Page Top

#30 What also strikes me as strange, assuming the information is accurate, is how an 18-year-old Kansas girl wound up in Hawaii having babies with a black guy - in 1961.

I've no idea about Hawaii, Random JD, but young Miss Stanley was a red diaper baby. Her parents' membership numbers were supposedly pretty low in the Communist Party registry in Moscow. And Miss Stanley clearly had a thing for dark, foreign men from the Muslim world -- her second husband was Indonesian, and she happily followed him back home after he graduated.

But anyway, dark foreigners were not quite the same as dark Americans, at least within the ivory tower. My mother ran into that in about 1947 -- she was dating an African man, a college classmate, who had to explain to her that they couldn't go to movies and restaurants together in New York City. It hadn't occurred to her that there might be an issue. Clearly he didn't see an issue with interracial dating as such, merely the limited entertainment options...

To be fair, it was only a few years after she'd arrived in the U.S. after hiding from the Nazis, and she wasn't really up on American prejudices.
Posted by trailing wife 2011-04-27 15:19||   2011-04-27 15:19|| Front Page Top

#31 I found a 1949 Territory of Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth and it lists Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.


Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2011-04-27 15:23||   2011-04-27 15:23|| Front Page Top

#32 The Kalanianoale highway no longer exists (there is a Kalani Street in Honolulu). It may have been an informally named road where indigents lived.

That may be why Obama did not want to have the birth certificate released.
Posted by Lord Garth 2011-04-27 15:42||   2011-04-27 15:42|| Front Page Top

#33 Interesting, TW. I heard about the red diaper baby thing, and I'm sure Hawaii is culturally distinct from the mainland. I had a leftie friend at university who preferred "ethnic" men too, because it made her feel good about herself to show off how color-blind she was. In fact, she was a man-eater and kind of a slut. And a Muslim, who wore miniskirts and ate pepperoni pizza. But she assured me, it was all for a good cause! I imagine Momma Obama was not so different.
Posted by RandomJD 2011-04-27 15:49||   2011-04-27 15:49|| Front Page Top

#34  I had a leftie friend at university

I hadn't thought of the leftie thing, RandomJD -- a good point. In my mother's case it was a matter of fellow foreigners -- and she was living in the school's international dorm at the time, so propinquity as well. My mother is about as apolitical as it's possible to be and still breath both in and out. She completely missed the Commie scare, f'r instance.
Posted by trailing wife 2011-04-27 16:00||   2011-04-27 16:00|| Front Page Top

#35 Twobyfour,
apparently the scanning and editing software can spontaniously create its own layers.
Posted by Frozen Al 2011-04-27 16:25||   2011-04-27 16:25|| Front Page Top

#36 This looks like a print from microfilm that has been made into a PDF. Edge enhancement can account for the white around the characters.

You can see ink images from the left side page, which makes me pretty confident these were filmed on a planetary scanner.

It doesn't particularly look fake to me.

However my birth document from 1963 says birth certificate. Does anyone (cybersarge?) know why this document is considered a Birth Cert? Is it a hawaii specific thing?

Posted by flash91 2011-04-27 16:40||   2011-04-27 16:40|| Front Page Top

#37 Lord Garth

The Kalanianaole Highway (Hwy 72) does exist. It runs along the coast between Diamond Head and Koko Head. 6085 Kalanianaole is in a small burb called Kuliouou.

If I remember correctly there are a few rusted out VWs setting on blocks at some the houses.
Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2011-04-27 16:42||   2011-04-27 16:42|| Front Page Top

#38 Oh my goodness, I certainly did not mean to draw any parallel between my friend and your mom! Of course newcomers would have little awareness of local racial peculiarities. Been there myself.

I meant, red diaper baby Miss Stanley sounds much like my confused leftie friend, whose most deeply personal decisions were explicitly motivated by race. Not just naive - naive and brainwashed.
Posted by RandomJD 2011-04-27 16:51||   2011-04-27 16:51|| Front Page Top

#39 Just did a Google Maps on 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy.

A large house on the corner of Kuliouou Rd and Kalanianaole Hwy. Lawn with Palm trees in front yard and neighbors two doors down have a pool. This Real Estate area was hot during the Japanese buying spree in the eighties so it is most likely different today than it was in 1961..
Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2011-04-27 16:55||   2011-04-27 16:55|| Front Page Top

#40 “We do not have time for this kind of silliness. We’ve got better stuff to do. I’ve got better stuff to do. We’ve got big problems to solve,” the president said.

Minutes later, he boarded a helicopter, bound for Chicago where he will interview with Oprah …
Posted by tipper 2011-04-27 18:11||   2011-04-27 18:11|| Front Page Top

#41 I certainly did not mean to draw any parallel between my friend and your mom!

That puts you in good company -- I didn't realize that might have been implied. I inherited my mother's obliviousness and lack of social subtlety. In general, I won't even notice I've been insulted unless it's as blatant as poor JUSTICE lusting after my armpit hair (for some reason he's fixated on that instead of the more normal triggers for male instinctual response). So you're quite safe in assuming a) I didn't notice, or b) I didn't realize I ought to be offended.

So we're in agreement about your second paragraph, which is exactly how I read your comment. :-)
Posted by trailing wife 2011-04-27 18:16||   2011-04-27 18:16|| Front Page Top

#42 "I didn't realize I ought to be offended."

tw, we've talked about this; however are you going to "pass" for a Leftie if you don't make that your first (and only) thought about everything?

More practice! ;-p
Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2011-04-27 18:55||   2011-04-27 18:55|| Front Page Top

#43 however are you going to "pass" for a Leftie if you don't make that your first (and only) thought about everything?

I'm sorry, Barbara, but the very thought of trying to think that way is too exhausting for words. I'd have made a terrible spy.
Posted by trailing wife 2011-04-27 19:57||   2011-04-27 19:57|| Front Page Top

#44 To heck with it. It may get me thrown out. It is not the fact that there was or was not a Berth-cert, it is the fact that the thinking of Americans are too stupid to find truth on their own.

Someone hacked it up, took the original Adobe document and released it on the Whitehouse.gov site.

It's like green helmet guy but with 9 layers. The real question is who is the US Citizen with Birth Certificate department of health number 61 1064?

Kind of like the selective service card stamped in 2007.
Posted by newc 2011-04-27 21:21||   2011-04-27 21:21|| Front Page Top

#45 "Why Now?"

Because people have now started to ask about the college transcripts. I think he had to at least release the birth certificate (which I believe is real) in order to take some wind out of the sails of people wanting to see the college information.

They are hoping that will go away now because they definitely don't want those getting out in the public media. A President with a D average wouldn't sell well in the next election.

Posted by crosspatch 2011-04-27 21:31||   2011-04-27 21:31|| Front Page Top

#46 And the reason why I want to see his college transcripts?

If I am hiring a kid for an entry level position, I want to see their transcript. Obama wants me to hire him as my President. I want to see why I should hire him based on more than just what he spouts during the interview.

Posted by crosspatch 2011-04-27 21:34||   2011-04-27 21:34|| Front Page Top

#47 All I wish to see is the communist bastard on down the road!
Posted by Besoeker 2011-04-27 21:41||   2011-04-27 21:41|| Front Page Top

#48 Did we see previous presidential transcripts?
Posted by trailing wife 2011-04-27 21:52||   2011-04-27 21:52|| Front Page Top

#49 Crosspatch - Real is not what you think.
Posted by newc 2011-04-27 22:09||   2011-04-27 22:09|| Front Page Top

#50 Thats why you release a JPG photo instead of the original document you forged. We are too much more smart than that.
Posted by newc 2011-04-27 22:18||   2011-04-27 22:18|| Front Page Top

#51 Previous in reply to "#35 Twobyfour,
apparently the scanning and editing software can spontaniously create its own layers"
Posted by newc 2011-04-27 22:19||   2011-04-27 22:19|| Front Page Top

#52 The document was probably obtained from a microfilm copy. So it would have been in "negative" format. It doesn't even matter if it is real anyway, as far as I am concerned. A boob can be born anywhere.

But actually, I don't care if people what to waste their time on the issue because frankly, it keeps them occupied and out of things that really matter.
Posted by crosspatch 2011-04-27 23:14||   2011-04-27 23:14|| Front Page Top

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