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Bill Clinton says Barack Obama must 'kiss my ass' for his support

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Posted by tipper 2008-06-29 12:38|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11136 views ] Top

#1 Clinton's bitter, but he knows a lot about consituencies Obama's taking for granted. And - all snark aside - boomer women make up one of them.

Things could change between now and November, but there is a whole lot of fury on the part of many women aged 50+ about the condescending, snide way Hillary was treated. By the press, by bloggers, by party officials and in public by Obama.

I know she's detested here. Many wanted above all to see her humiliated. Well, she was and Obama has the nomination pretty much wrapped up. But even women like me who don't like her are very deeply angry about how she was treated.

Posted by lotp 2008-06-29 13:06|| 2008-06-29 13:06|| Front Page Top

#2 Call me a male chauvanist pig, but how was she treated badly because she was a woman as opposed to the enemy candidate?

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-06-29 13:12|| 2008-06-29 13:12|| Front Page Top

#3 Why would I call you a male chauvanist pig, NS?

Politicians attack where they can, as do their supporters. Obama's race was declared off limits. But Hillary's sex was not - and that is what many women are fuming about. There were many things to criticize her for. What the press chose to use were unflattering photos and speculation about whether she was old and faded looking . About whether she 'cackled'. About whether Bill was getting any sex.

Lots of that here, lots of that out in the MSM and on 'progressive' blogs. And it has a lot of women angry that she was not dealt with at the level of policy etc. instead.

Posted by lotp 2008-06-29 13:35|| 2008-06-29 13:35|| Front Page Top

#4 well, lotp, what was Hillary's qualification for her NY Senate seat and presidential bid, besides being married to the Clenis? Sad to say even with that, she's more qualified than the empty suit that beat her

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-06-29 13:40|| 2008-06-29 13:40|| Front Page Top

#5 The problem seems to be the way the MSM treated Hillary, not Obama. So why aren't women mad at the MSM instead of Barack? After all, the reason the campaign descended into that sort of garbage was because there were no policy differences between them.

The press screwed Hillary the same way they screw every other candidate who's not their favorite. Unflattering photos? George Bush any one? Old and faded? McCain now. The Cackle? Dean's Yarrrrrgh.

Yeah, she's a woman. Yeah, the press screwed her. But not because she was a woman, because that's where she was vulnerable. Just like they do to every male candidate they hate.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-06-29 13:56|| 2008-06-29 13:56|| Front Page Top

#6 About whether Bill was getting any sex.

You know, if there's any subject I'd like to hear less of, that would be it.

Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2008-06-29 13:56|| 2008-06-29 13:56|| Front Page Top

#7 A senior Democrat who worked for Mr Clinton has revealed that he recently told friends Mr Obama could 'kiss my ass' in return for his support.

'For the first time in my adult life I am proud of' ..... Bill Clinton.

Posted by Besoeker 2008-06-29 14:48|| 2008-06-29 14:48|| Front Page Top

#8 #6 About whether Bill was getting any sex.

You know, if there's any subject I'd like to hear less of, that would be it.

Perhaps bill isn't getting any. Perhaps he's desesperate. Perhaps this "kiss my ass" thingie is not a bitter remark, perhaps it's a cry for help, a cry for action, any kind of action, aimed at obama. Who knows?

Posted by anonymous5089 2008-06-29 15:00|| 2008-06-29 15:00|| Front Page Top

#9 The complete empty suit aside..

we must start putting lipstick on our pig, John McCain.

How the hell can we begin to rally around our Loser? Somehow we must motivate Trunks and those ~~Donkeys~~ Asses who dislike Obama.

WHAT's AT STAKE

1) Our Constitutional Gun Rights.
2) Private Property Rights
3) Massive ReDistribution of wealth Obama-style.
4) Supreme Court Judges!
5) Freedom of thought Rights.
6) Reparations..
7) Forced to pay for and follow Junk Science edicts.
8) Anti-White-Male Affirmative Action for ever.
9) Wide Open Borders
10) Illegal Immigrants voting.

We must fight for our Presidential candidate inspite of the FACT that McCain is one hell of a DUD! :)

Posted by RD">RD 2008-06-29 15:06|| 2008-06-29 15:06|| Front Page Top

#10 The problem seems to be the way the MSM treated Hillary, not Obama.

Oh lordy -- watch the videos of the debates or of his press remarks about her. He ooooozes contemptuous male body language to and about her.

The only other person he comes close to using that body language on is Joe Lieberman.

The language he uses with her, tone of voice etc. was just as disrespectful. I recognize it from the years when I lived in LA and occasionally interacted on the fringes of South Central. It's the swagger style that labels women as bitches and hos. And the press never called him on it one bit.

He stopped using it when she was defeated.

As for her credentials to be in the Senate, ask the voters of NY. I didn't vote for her and don't plan to.

But look - if an opponent went after Lieberman by telling jokes about stingy Jews there would be a firestorm. Same thing if it were done via anonymous caricature cartoons on the Web.

But the equivalent was done to Hillary with impunity. And some of us have noticed that fact.

Posted by lotp 2008-06-29 15:10|| 2008-06-29 15:10|| Front Page Top

#11 RD, one of the problems is that McCaine seems to be on the wrong side of about a third of those topics.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-06-29 15:10|| 2008-06-29 15:10|| Front Page Top

#12 ~~WHAT's AT STAKE ?~~

Simply take a quick look at Zimbabwe and South Africa.

Posted by Besoeker 2008-06-29 15:12|| 2008-06-29 15:12|| Front Page Top

#13 Sounds like a case for the British Columbia Human Rights Commission.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-06-29 15:53|| 2008-06-29 15:53|| Front Page Top

#14 lotp:

who elected you moral arbiter. Your knee jerk compassion for discompassionate low life disqualifies you in my book. Cut the straw man act. No wonder Zenster bailed out of here. Smack yourself in the head.

America charcoaled Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I approve of that, and I would like to see more of same. Think of our enemies as cockroaches in human form.

Posted by Spusomble Jones9012 2008-06-29 17:03|| 2008-06-29 17:03|| Front Page Top

#15 Nobody elected me arbiter of anything, at least not at Rantburg (apart from arbiter re: trolls as delegated by Fred).

Doesn't mean I don't have opinions tho. LOL

Re: treatment of HRC, well ... I've reported here before what I hear women saying. Doesn't mean I always agree.

Conservatives and libertarians are reported to be willing to deal with facts. And the fact is that many women of a certain age are, at the moment, highly pissed about the treatment they perceive Hillary to have received. Now, their perception might be wrong or they may calm down by November. But at the moment? They're pissed -- and they see it as a bigger issue than one politician.

Posted by lotp 2008-06-29 17:11|| 2008-06-29 17:11|| Front Page Top

#16 who elected you moral arbiter. Your knee jerk compassion for discompassionate low life disqualifies you in my book. Cut the straw man act. No wonder Zenster bailed out of here. Smack yourself in the head.

America charcoaled Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I approve of that, and I would like to see more of same. Think of our enemies as cockroaches in human form.

Yah, all this moralizing's got to go. The next gnome we kill probably won't even HAVE a candy bar!

Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2008-06-29 17:12|| 2008-06-29 17:12|| Front Page Top

#17 I'm not sure what that has to do with enemies, cockroaches and nukes tho. Maybe #14 was meant for another thread??

Posted by lotp 2008-06-29 17:13|| 2008-06-29 17:13|| Front Page Top

#18 I'm also not sure why a commenter from British Columbia would be quite so ... passionate ... about issues around the Democratic nomination race.

Unless of course that server in BC is forwarding Ms/Mr Jones9012's comment from somewhere in the US.

Posted by lotp 2008-06-29 17:17|| 2008-06-29 17:17|| Front Page Top

#19 The complete empty suit aside..

we must start putting lipstick on our pig, John McCain.

You know, McCain's over seventy years old, it's time for him to learn to manage his own lipstick. He's the one with all the airtime from his "friends" his "electoral reforms" have given a disproportionate voice in the process, there ain't really anything I can do about what he says or doesn't say when he gets up in front of the cameras.

Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2008-06-29 17:17|| 2008-06-29 17:17|| Front Page Top

#20 1) Zenster didn't 'bail'.

2) I'm not interested in charcoaling anyone unless there is no other choice, and right now, we have lots of other choices.

Spusomble, perhaps you should actually read Rantburg for a while.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2008-06-29 17:24|| 2008-06-29 17:24|| Front Page Top

#21 Zenster did not bail. But if you prefer his words to lotp's, Spusomble Jones9012 via British Columbia (pretty bit of country you've got up there, to be sure), you can find him at the Belmont Club and a few other sites where he seems to be happier.

It will definitely be interesting to see whether the Hillary Clinton voters stick with the Democratic Party, or become "McClain Democrats". I've read a number of predictions of the latter recently. I have to agree with Candidate Obama oozing contempt of and condescension to his female competitor until she stepped back; now he merely oozes condescension of the "don't worry your dear pretty heads about it, the menfolk will handle all those difficult things for you" kind. All things being equal -- which of course they aren't -- I'd vote for McCain just to put a thumb in Obama's eye for it. There are a great many things I leave to those better fitted for the task, but thinking and judging I do for myself.

Posted by trailing wife in Lackawanna 2008-06-29 17:53|| 2008-06-29 17:53|| Front Page Top

#22 McCain Democrats, of course. I fear I haven't had a proper morning nap yet today.

Posted by trailing wife in Lackawanna 2008-06-29 17:55|| 2008-06-29 17:55|| Front Page Top

#23 That's what the election is coming down to, John McClain vs. Borat Obama.

Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2008-06-29 18:05|| 2008-06-29 18:05|| Front Page Top

#24 I must just be a not too sensitive guy who doesn't watch TV, so I don't get to see the visual cues. But politics is a contact sport and it ain't beanbag.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-06-29 18:49|| 2008-06-29 18:49|| Front Page Top

#25 I don't buy the argument that Barack Obama will have difficulty connecting with female voters due to residual bitterness from the primary battle. He comes across as a good family man, pro-choice, and supportive of Democratic mommy-state policies which play well with women. He may lose if the inconsistencies in his positions over time become too glaring or he commits some horrendous political blunder, but right now his only weakness is with working class whites based on cultural suspicions.

And it's only one man's opinion, but Queen Hillary was in no way mistreated during her campaign. John McCain was wrongfully depicted as a warmonger and nastily as a doddering fool. He worked hard to clarify his "100 years" statement and mocked the latter smear job in a Saturday Night Live skit. A lot of people justifiably think worse of Hillary than they are willing to let on in public yet she (and her sexism-decrying supporters) could barely deal with even the mild criticisms she faced.

Politics ain't beanbag, but Hillary's sense of entitlement led her to believe that different rules continue to apply to her than to others.

Posted by Gliling Lumplump3518 2008-06-29 19:44|| 2008-06-29 19:44|| Front Page Top

#26 GL, you must be young. Because I have seen it in many of the women I work with aged 45-65. LOTP, an otherwise pretty conservative person, is clearly upset about the way Hillary has been treated. These women were the front wave of women's lib, feminism, whatever you want to call it. They see POTUS as their last glass ceiling. And they think Hillary was disrespected in her run and denied the nomination that was rightfully hers. And it runs deep, because it is quite an irrational belief. There is no evidence presented beyond body language and tone of voice, etc., that's it. It's nothing compared with what Clinton did to Obama, he was raised a Muslim, he's illegitimate, Rezko, etc. So, it may have legs.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-06-29 20:10|| 2008-06-29 20:10|| Front Page Top

#27 I don't think Hillary owned the nomination, although other women might have thought so.

I do think she was disrespected during the run in ways that have been stereotypically used for a long time to belittle women. Specifically, used to belittle women who are in contention for a position that ostensibly is about competance, or policy positions and leadership etc.

Been there, dealt with that in business back in the 80s, annoyed as hell to see it be this obvious in 2008.

There are plenty of more substantive criticisms to make of Hillary than her voice, her appearance etc. They start IMO with her policies and continue through character, among other things. So it's striking to see how little those were in fact the basis of critiques of her candidacy.

Posted by lotp 2008-06-29 20:36|| 2008-06-29 20:36|| Front Page Top

#28 There are plenty of more substantive criticisms to make of Hillary than her voice, her appearance etc. They start IMO with her policies and continue through character, among other things. So it's striking to see how little those were in fact the basis of critiques of her candidacy.

The big problem there is that those criticisms would have applied just as much, if not more so, on Obama. So they had to come up with a "she's not one of the cool kids like me" line of attack.

It's nothing compared with what Clinton did to Obama, he was raised a Muslim, he's illegitimate, Rezko, etc. So, it may have legs.

Uh, I consider his relationship with Rezko to be a legitimate complaint, much more serious than any allegations about the status of his birth.

And as I said before, if Obama were a Moslem, it might be an improvement over what he looks like prima facie: a power-hungry moral relativist who will attend any ritually-christian church that preaches the gospel of State according to Marx.

Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2008-06-29 20:48|| 2008-06-29 20:48|| Front Page Top

#29 seems to me that women are pissed that Hillary's gender didn't buy her any favors, and Obama's race did.

after 40 years of whining that they wanted to be treated as if their gender didn't matter they are all in a knot that in this case the gender card didn't buy a woman a free pass.

probably not a popular opinion, but i call it as i see it.

Posted by Abu do you love 2008-06-29 21:42|| 2008-06-29 21:42|| Front Page Top

#30 No wonder Zenster bailed out of here.

Funny way of saying "His ass was escorted out the door"...

Posted by Pappy 2008-06-29 23:53|| 2008-06-29 23:53|| Front Page Top

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