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2007-12-27 India-Pakistan
Who killed Benazir Bhutto? The main suspects
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Posted by tu3031 2007-12-27 11:20|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11138 views ]  Top
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#1 Listen for impromptu firing squads at the barracks, and watch who comes out alive. That'll define the state of play...
Posted by M. Murcek">M. Murcek  2007-12-27 11:31||   2007-12-27 11:31|| Front Page Top

#2 She accused Pakistani authorities of not providing her with sufficient security and hinted that they may have been complicit in the bomb attack. Asif Ali Zardari, her husband, directly accused the ISI of being involved in that attempt on her life.

If the ISI was believed to be involved in assassination attempts, why would Ms. Bhutto want more of them around to "protect" her?
Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife  2007-12-27 11:41||   2007-12-27 11:41|| Front Page Top

#3 This is how extremists react when confronted by the encroachment of liberty: they simply murder their political opposition; most recently in Lebanon, and now, in Pakistan.
Posted by mrp 2007-12-27 12:01||   2007-12-27 12:01|| Front Page Top

#4 I await the obligatory "No Musllim could have possibly have done this as it is against Islam." thing.
And, of course, Rage Boy...
Posted by tu3031 2007-12-27 12:05||   2007-12-27 12:05|| Front Page Top

#5 "Qui bono?", as the Romans would say. Who benefits? Always a good investigative precept.

After that, top of the pops is "Follow the money."

Posted by mojo">mojo  2007-12-27 12:11||   2007-12-27 12:11|| Front Page Top

#6 I've been on the phone with my people in DC, and they are really watching this one close... It probably isn't the work of one of M's Boyz, it doesn't fit their M. O. Mu has worked too hard getting Pakistan to where it is now to try such a foolish act. They need our support and also from within now more than ever, we really need them to stay in our camp on the GWoT. The establishment of Pakistan as a viable Nation-State in the world arena is evolving slowly, and I hope and Pray that doesn't set the nation and region into s state of devolution... BTW R-Burgers, I'll be heading to A-Stan for 15 months soon, so if I can get a drop on the NIPR side of the satilite, I'll try to continue to post the real world dope as I did during OIF 1. To Fred and All,

With fondest Arabian Regards, I remain

Yr. Af. Sr, Bodyguard
Posted by Bodyguard">Bodyguard  2007-12-27 12:11||   2007-12-27 12:11|| Front Page Top

#7 Respects to Benazir Bhutto. Whatever faults she may have had, she must have been an exceptionally brave lady campaigning as she did for democracy when she knew she was likely to be killed for it. Maybe it says something about the lure of power but it would have been a whole lot easier and safer for her to get a flat in London and forget the whole mess.
Posted by Abu Uluque6305 2007-12-27 12:15||   2007-12-27 12:15|| Front Page Top

#8 Good luck and good hunting, Bodyguard. We look forward to your reports and your safe return.
Posted by Seafarious 2007-12-27 12:29||   2007-12-27 12:29|| Front Page Top

#9 Go well, Bodyguard -- and may the NIPRNET welcome you regularly. ;-)
Posted by lotp 2007-12-27 12:31||   2007-12-27 12:31|| Front Page Top

#10 why would they dismantle the "loose cannon" when it is what keeps the ones in power in power
Posted by  sinse 2007-12-27 12:38||   2007-12-27 12:38|| Front Page Top

#11 
#4
We're still doing the countdown until they blame it on RAW, too.
Posted by Fred 2007-12-27 12:43||   2007-12-27 12:43|| Front Page Top

#12 God be with you BG.
Posted by Icerigger">Icerigger  2007-12-27 12:45|| http://coonlakebeach.com/support_mn_troops.htm]">[http://coonlakebeach.com/support_mn_troops.htm]  2007-12-27 12:45|| Front Page Top

#13 mojo: "Qui bono?", as the Romans would say. Who benefits? Always a good investigative precept.

After that, top of the pops is "Follow the money."

Cui bono doesn't always work because the actual (vs theoretical) consequences might not actually benefit the perpetrators. Some Muslims literally doubt that bin Laden carried out 9/11 because it brought the wrath of Uncle Sam on his head. In hindsight, many think he should have foreseen the US's vigorous response to such a provocation. Therefore, bin Laden can't have carried out 9/11 - it must have been the work of fiendish Mossad* agents. In reality, of course, bin Laden was responsible for 9/11 - it's just that what bin Laden thought would happen (a US retreat from Saudi Arabia and all over the Muslim world) and what actually happened (a US attack on the Taliban and al Qaeda) were totally different things.

* Not that Muslims weren't happy to see a lot of Americans killed and billions of dollars of American infrastructure burned to the ground.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2007-12-27 12:46|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2007-12-27 12:46|| Front Page Top

#14 in power in power

Wheels within wheels, sinse?
Posted by twobyfour 2007-12-27 12:47||   2007-12-27 12:47|| Front Page Top

#15 Go well, Bodyguard! Keep safe, and get the job done! Easy for me to say, safe here, of course; but, still, thanks for your service!
Posted by anonymous5089 2007-12-27 12:49||   2007-12-27 12:49|| Front Page Top

#16 ANALYSIS: Conspiracy theories abound over Benazir Bhutto slaying

By Yossi Melman, Haaretz Correspondent

The most intriguing question that arises from the assassination of Benazir Bhutto is who plotted and carried out the killing.

After the failed assassination attempt in Karachi, observers in Pakistan theorized extreme Muslim groups who were outlawed by President Pervez Musharraf, or Al-Qaida elements aligned with these groups, were responsible.

From these groups' point of view, Bhutto and her party are an enemy, perhaps an even more dangerous enemy than Musharraf. Yet, in Pakistan, considered one of the world's most fertile breeding grounds for conspiracy theories, many more possible suspects will be bandied about. Indeed, the blame can be laid at the feet of any of a large number of elements.

The most astounding aspect of Thursday's events is the negligence displayed by Bhutto's security detail. According to reports, the assassin managed to approach Bhutto and position himself within a short distance of her, before proceeding to shoot her and detonate the explosives with which he was strapped. Not only did the assassin want to cause maximum casualties, but he also hoped that authorities would later be unable to identify him and thus ascertain which organization he was working for.

What makes the security failure all the more startling is the fact that it comes just weeks after the first assassination attempt following Bhutto's return to Pakistan from a lengthy political exile.

In the attempt, suicide bombers killed 150 people, although Bhutto escaped unharmed. Under these circumstances, it was chiefly incumbent on her security guards to do all in their power to prevent direct access to her, even during the course of an election campaign in which a candidate seeks to come into contact with the public.

One can make the claim - and some already have - that foreign agents of countries in conflict with Pakistan (re: India) orchestrated the assassination so as to create chaos and to create an image of a country that is unstable and unreliable.

Others will point the finger at Musharraf and his supporters, who viewed Bhutto as a rival who was likely to win next month's elections.

The likelihood of both claims is extremely low, especially considering the apparent deal in principle struck between Musharraf and Bhutto whereby both would enter a power-sharing arrangement and form a joint coalition.

Another possible perpetrator is former prime minister Nawaz Sharif, a bitter political rival of Bhutto who once ordered her husband arrested on corruption charges.
Posted by tu3031 2007-12-27 12:51||   2007-12-27 12:51|| Front Page Top

#17 There may be a tendency to over-think this stuff. A shooter with a bomb-belt is not exactly rare in Pakistan and various other hot-spots. This one got lucky. He may have directly represented a small, factional interest rather than the ISI, et al. What is more important is the broader interests all of these forces of reaction represent and what, if anything, Bhutto's people will do about it.
Posted by Excalibur 2007-12-27 12:59||   2007-12-27 12:59|| Front Page Top

#18 With fondest Arabian Regards, I remain

Yr. Af. Sr, Bodyguard

*happy sigh* I do adore you, Bodyguard! Not many know how to properly abbreviate your affectionate servant nowadays, let alone when to use it. We shall think of you often while we await your missives, written in this next round of changing key bits of the world to make it safer for us all.
Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife  2007-12-27 13:04||   2007-12-27 13:04|| Front Page Top

#19 Given the fact that AlQ has penetrated the ISI, you have to assume that they have also penetrated the Bhutto campaign.

The fact that an assasin could get this close (in fact this isn't the only time) makes it very possible that the assasin had help from someone (or more than one) in the Bhutto campaign.

The fact that the assasin went boom means that Al Q was certainly involved.
Posted by mhw">mhw  2007-12-27 13:29|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]  2007-12-27 13:29|| Front Page Top

#20 BG: Good luck, good hunting, and come home safe. I'll encourage the Cub Scouts (who are now Boy Scouts) who wrote you during OIF 1 to do so again.
Posted by Mike 2007-12-27 13:30||   2007-12-27 13:30|| Front Page Top

#21 Stay safe, Bodyguard.

Something that we at the Burg generally understand that the average American pro'ly doesn't: this is how things work in that part of the world. Bhutto's assassination isn't extra-ordinary, it isn't out of place, it isn't unusual.

It's just how things are done.

Islamicists (be it al-Qaeda, LeT or any other gang of crazed killers) want anyone who stands in their way dead. Bhutto was in the way so she's whacked. They'll do the same to Perv and to anyone else in Pakistan, or Afghanistan, or Hamastan, or Lebanon, or Algeria, etc, etc, etc. The victims are either 'infidels' or 'apostates' or have some other convenient label applied to them to make it okay, but victims they shall be.

This isn't extraordinary. The Islamicists aren't insane by clinical standards. This is just how they do business, and it's way they're such a threat.
Posted by Steve White">Steve White  2007-12-27 13:35||   2007-12-27 13:35|| Front Page Top

#22 Lot of early analysis at Counter Terrorism Blog
a symposium at National Review Online about Benazir Bhutto's assassination

Bhutto's Assassinaton Needs a Real Investigation
By Aaron Mannes

Pakistan on the Brink: Assassination of Benezir Bhutto triggers widespread violence in Pakistan
By Animesh Roul

Benazir Bhutto's Assassination -- a Lethal Assault on Democracy
By Jonathan Winer

Posted by 3dc 2007-12-27 13:36||   2007-12-27 13:36|| Front Page Top

#23 But fingers will also be pointed at Inter-Services Intelligence, the agency that has had close ties to the Islamists since the 1970s and has been used by successive Pakistani leaders to suppress political opposition.

-It's a loose cannon that should be dismantled.

-Good luck with that. The ISI wouldn't go quietly ...

But the secondary explosions would go on for a while, and would be rather...illuminating, dontcha think?
Posted by Seafarious 2007-12-27 13:43||   2007-12-27 13:43|| Front Page Top

#24 "If the ISI was believed to be involved in assassination attempts, why would Ms. Bhutto want more of them around to "protect" her?"

I think they wanted more and better technical stuff, IED detection stuff, not more personnel. Warm bodies, the PPP has.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2007-12-27 13:57||   2007-12-27 13:57|| Front Page Top

#25 "Given the fact that AlQ has penetrated the ISI, you have to assume that they have also penetrated the Bhutto campaign"

good point. AQ could have penetrated the PPP. Or the ISI could have penetrated the PPP.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2007-12-27 14:02||   2007-12-27 14:02|| Front Page Top

#26 good luck Bodyguard... wish I waz going with you to Afghanistan. Plz Send the Talibs my Hard Reguards.

TW: Not many know how to properly abbreviate your affectionate servant nowadays, let alone when to use it. We shall think of you often while we await your missives, written in this next round of changing key bits of the world to make it safer for us all.

TW, were youse that high born? Where else would one learn themselves up on such like?

~:)
Posted by RD">RD  2007-12-27 14:05||   2007-12-27 14:05|| Front Page Top

#27 This is a sobering read from Andy McCarthy at National Review

illed by the real Pakistan.

By Andrew C. McCarthy

A recent CNN poll showed that 46 percent of Pakistanis approve of Osama bin Laden.

Aspirants to the American presidency should hope to score so highly in the United States. In Pakistan, though, the al-Qaeda emir easily beat out that country’s current president, Pervez Musharraf, who polled at 38 percent.

President George Bush, the face of a campaign to bring democracy — or, at least, some form of sharia-lite that might pass for democracy — to the Islamic world, registered nine percent. Nine!

If you want to know what to make of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto’s murder today in Pakistan, ponder that.

There is the Pakistan of our fantasy. The burgeoning democracy in whose vanguard are judges and lawyers and human rights activists using the “rule of law” as a cudgel to bring down a military junta. In the fantasy, Bhutto, an attractive, American-educated socialist whose prominent family made common cause with Soviets and whose tenures were rife with corruption, was somehow the second coming of James Madison.

Then there is the real Pakistan: an enemy of the United States and the West.

You will want to read the rest!
Posted by Sherry">Sherry  2007-12-27 14:19||   2007-12-27 14:19|| Front Page Top

#28 Another point of interest: How many (and, perhaps more importantly, which) of her bodyguards got dead too?
Posted by mojo">mojo  2007-12-27 14:28||   2007-12-27 14:28|| Front Page Top

#29 "Magic Bomber Theory?"
Posted by doc 2007-12-27 14:38||   2007-12-27 14:38|| Front Page Top

#30 NRO: President George Bush, the face of a campaign to bring democracy — or, at least, some form of sharia-lite that might pass for democracy — to the Islamic world, registered nine percent. Nine!

Actually, I'm impressed he got 9%, this being Pakistan we're talking about.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2007-12-27 14:50|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2007-12-27 14:50|| Front Page Top

#31 Mojo, dunno how petinent that might be. Jihadi theology is pretty much of the "Kill them all, Allah knows his own" variety. Innocent men, women, children; confederates, and infidels alike play an essential role in their murderous liturgical celebration.
Posted by mrp 2007-12-27 14:57||   2007-12-27 14:57|| Front Page Top

#32 The cavalry to the rescue....oops, sorry, just the UN "condemning in the strongest possible terms"
Posted by tipper 2007-12-27 15:01||   2007-12-27 15:01|| Front Page Top

#33 "There is the Pakistan of our fantasy. The burgeoning democracy in whose vanguard are judges and lawyers and human rights activists using the “rule of law” as a cudgel to bring down a military junta. In the fantasy, Bhutto, an attractive, American-educated socialist whose prominent family made common cause with Soviets and whose tenures were rife with corruption, was somehow the second coming of James Madison."

On another site I visit, the house Commie is going on how she was a corrupt, dictatorial member of the elite, who supported the US. Now shes teh eevil for being a socialist?

Look, she twerent James Madison, but this is Pakistan.

As for the OBL number, who knows what that means - its easy to say something to a pollster to show how macho you are. In elections, the MMA hasnt done all that well.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2007-12-27 15:23||   2007-12-27 15:23|| Front Page Top

#34 LH: On another site I visit, the house Commie is going on how she was a corrupt, dictatorial member of the elite, who supported the US. Now shes teh eevil for being a socialist?

Look, she twerent James Madison, but this is Pakistan.

Actually, McCarthy is praising her, because any (democratic) socialist is preferable to any Islamist. That's why he casts her on the fantasy part of his narrative. The reality, unfortunately, is that she was unable to survive the hatred of a rabidly-Islamist population, let alone win a popular election.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2007-12-27 15:54|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2007-12-27 15:54|| Front Page Top

#35 Where else would one learn themselves up on such like?

Reading Jane Austen novels while eating chocolate bonbons, of course, dear RD. Or else at my parents' dinner table. My parents were university people, and I remember dinner conversations at which world politics, Freudian vs. Piaget theory of child development, and the reason fish forks are of solid silver rather than having attached steel blades like dinner knives were equally passionately discussed. (As I recall, the conclusion was that carbon steel is permanently stained by lemon juice, whereas silver blades polish up nicely.)
Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife  2007-12-27 16:04||   2007-12-27 16:04|| Front Page Top

#36 Looks like they're going into lockdown, paras deployed to quell riots, everything closed.

Might be a good time to snatch their nukes...
Posted by mojo">mojo  2007-12-27 16:15||   2007-12-27 16:15|| Front Page Top

#37 While her party was originally socialist, she was a member of the feudal landlord elite.

Her grandfather was the dewan (PM) of the Princely State of Junadagh, now part of India. He reportedly assisted the Nawab in carting off the state treasury to Pakistan.
Posted by john frum 2007-12-27 16:20||   2007-12-27 16:20|| Front Page Top

#38 "The reality, unfortunately, is that she was unable to survive the hatred of a rabidly-Islamist population, let alone win a popular election."

Oh is that why? IIUC its been a long time since Paki had an election she was allowed to participate in. They were about to have one, when some suicide bomber killed her.

The population of pakistan killed her? Duh, thats just rhetoric "who killed the Kennedys, well you know, it was you and me"

Fact is she had a large base of support Sharif and Imran Khan may have had a bigger one, but I doubt their people wanted her dead. The MMA supporters did, but theyre 20% of the pop at most.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2007-12-27 16:39||   2007-12-27 16:39|| Front Page Top

#39 Chances of a proper investigation are nil now that the blast scene was washed down with fire hoses.

Couldn't believe what I was seeing on TV.
Posted by john frum 2007-12-27 16:42||   2007-12-27 16:42|| Front Page Top

#40 Couldn't believe what I was seeing on TV.

I doubt your statement. I expect you believed it instantly.
Posted by Thomas Woof 2007-12-27 17:01||   2007-12-27 17:01|| Front Page Top

#41 I'm serious. I caught myself talking to the TV.

"You can't do that. It's a bomb scene. You're washing the evidence into the drains!"

Posted by john frum 2007-12-27 17:06||   2007-12-27 17:06|| Front Page Top

#42 Then 1 nano-sec later you remembered, wait, this is Pakistan, at least the streets are getting cleaned.
Posted by Thomas Woof 2007-12-27 17:11||   2007-12-27 17:11|| Front Page Top

#43 A shooter gets in a neck and a head shot from an Asian mob and then booms themselves. It's straight out of a Hollyweird plotline and I'm not buying it.

A more likely scenario is the shooter is a pro and thinks the boomer is there to allow him to get away, but in fact is there to clean up the evidence, i.e. him (or maybe the shooter did get away). A slick operation that says ISI or possible a foreign government - Iran?
Posted by phil_b 2007-12-27 17:18||   2007-12-27 17:18|| Front Page Top

#44 Mossad?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2007-12-27 17:35||   2007-12-27 17:35|| Front Page Top

#45 Ayman al-Zawahri number 2 in Al Qaeda organized assasination activity beginning in October. The first attempt in October failed, this one succeeded.

Bhutto as Prime Minister would allow US Troops to enter Pakistan to go after AQ and Ayman al-Zawahri was determined to take her out.
Posted by www 2007-12-27 17:38||   2007-12-27 17:38|| Front Page Top

#46 Not sure if any of the reports here covered this. From the News.com.au report

A senior official of Pakistan's Interior Ministry confirmed that Ms Bhutto had died but there were conflicting accounts of how she was killed. A party security adviser said Ms Bhutto was shot in the neck and chest as she got into her vehicle, before the gunman blew himself up.

"The man first fired at Bhutto's vehicle. She ducked and then he blew himself up," police officer Mohammad Shahid said last night.

There were also reports Ms Bhutto had been hit by ball bearings and pellets in the bomb hidden in the jacket worn by the suicide bomber.

The BBC reported the boomer was 50 yards away. Either the boomer was a lot closer or the shooter was a different person.
Posted by phil_b 2007-12-27 17:42||   2007-12-27 17:42|| Front Page Top

#47 http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/12/us-checking-al.html

An obscure Italian Web site said Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, al Qaeda's commander in Afghanistan, told its reporter in a phone call, "We terminated the most precious American asset which vowed to defeat [the] mujahedeen."

It said the decision to assassinate Bhutto was made by al Qaeda's No. 2 leader, Ayman al Zawahri in October. Before joining Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan, Zawahri was imprisoned in Egypt for his role in the assassination of then-Egyptian President Anwar Sadat.

Bhutto had been outspoken in her opposition to al Qaeda and had criticized the government of President Pervez Musharraf for failing to take strong action against the Islamic terrorists.

"She openly threatened al Qaeda, and she had American support," said ABC News consultant Richard Clarke, the former White House counterterrorism adviser. "If al Qaeda could try to kill Musharraf twice, it could easily do this," he said.
Posted by www 2007-12-27 17:44||   2007-12-27 17:44|| Front Page Top

#48 I thought Special Forces were already ghosting through the provinces on the Pakistani side of the Afghan border, and President General (retired?) Doctor Musharref had recently given permission to increase the numbers... but perhaps I misunderstood something I read.
Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife  2007-12-27 18:46||   2007-12-27 18:46|| Front Page Top

#49 "Evidence, schmevidence, better to wash it out, who knows what skeletons could pop up."

This has not an AQ signature. It is an intel op. Either ISI, or as phil_b hints, IRGIS. Unlikely?

Big "Qui bono?" on Iran's side. Stirring that Pak pot is in their utmost intest.
Posted by twobyfour 2007-12-27 20:45||   2007-12-27 20:45|| Front Page Top

#50 Iran is very unlikely as the instigator. Their best people are busy putting down their own citizens. Besides, Shia don't do suicide bombing much and they wouldn't waste a Urdu speaking premium agent on someone who was probably no higher than 20th on their enemy list.
Posted by mhw">mhw  2007-12-27 21:01|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]  2007-12-27 21:01|| Front Page Top

#51 ... and they wouldn't waste a Urdu speaking premium agent

Aaah, mhw, do you think they would need to? They would use that agent to convince some Pak tool that it is a bright idea.

They don't care what position of enemy roster Bhutto was on, if killing her would invoke the desired result.

As for IRGIS tied up domestically, hmm, it's curious that it does not hinder them in Levant at all, it seems.
Posted by twobyfour 2007-12-27 21:12||   2007-12-27 21:12|| Front Page Top

#52 Im not convinced its not AQ. Theyve certainly combined shooting and booming. generally they boom first and shoot later. Could do it the other way round. Or, more likely they could have been working with some of their folks inside ISI. Which doesnt make it an ISI op per se.
Posted by liberalhawk 2007-12-27 21:52||   2007-12-27 21:52|| Front Page Top

#53 No quarrel, LH. I just think that they must grinnin in Tehran, from ear to ear (insert Cox & Forkum imagery). The proverbial shite is nearing very close to the fan, indeed. Maybe they were lucky. But I say they pushed it.

Posted by twobyfour 2007-12-27 22:45||   2007-12-27 22:45|| Front Page Top

#54 DRUDGE > AL QAEDA IS LEAD SUSPECT. Iff this letter claim is true, it bodes ill for OSAMA, ZAWI, etc. + AQ, for reasons which are kinda complicated.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-12-27 23:25||   2007-12-27 23:25|| Front Page Top

#55 Joe, not that complicted. But methink al-Yazid is an idiot, that he claimed it. Zawi is probably white like an oven by anger and this dude has already a mark on him, I bet... give him mayhaps a week to partake on air.
Posted by twobyfour 2007-12-27 23:37||   2007-12-27 23:37|| Front Page Top

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