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2003-03-11 Iraq

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Posted by Mike 2003-03-11 04:50 pm|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [1769 views since 2007-05-07] Top

1 Put up or shut up. Take your pick.

Posted by mojo 2003-03-11 17:50:58|| 2003-03-11 17:50:58|| Front Page Top

2 I'd heard that Cameroon is firmly in the Frnech camp as is Guinea in all likelihood. With France and Russia threatening to veto no matter what, the Germans and Chinese clearly aligning in the no-war crowd, and Syria and Angola firmly opposed as well (Syria for sure, Angola most likely IMO), that leaves Mexico and Chile seeing as Pakistan has stated they will abstain.

So the alignment becomes 4 votes for and 6 against - real darned close to somebody's prediction of 4-11 for-against a few days ago.

Hopefully the President and the Joint Chiefs won't get cold feet. Let's go after the bastards already and stop pussyfooting around the UN. The UN's time is over. France is sealing its fate along with that of NATO. Time for a new alignment of power and nations. I say we withdraw from the UN, boot the whole kit-n-kaboodle outta' the country, and be done with the entire organization. We'd certainly save money paying for the budget (to which we give a disproportionate 25%).

Ian Douglas, a scifi writer, predicted in one of his trilogies that the US would one day end up shooting at the blue helmets. Henry Lamb, a noted columnist thinks so as well. His prediction might not be so far-fetched what with Kofi Annan saying that US action without UN approval would violate the UN charter and international law.

In 1765 Patrick Henry in an address before the Virginia House of Commons stated after decrying the British stamp act "If this be treason, make the most of it!"

I've heard many people talking about American hegmony and imperialism and I say "If this be empire, make the most of it!"

Just some humble comments from a wannabe politician (Lord alone knows why).

Thanks,
Greg
Greg Ellis For Congress 2004 (10th District US House, California)

Posted by FOTSGreg 2003-03-11 19:20:21|| 2003-03-11 19:20:21|| Front Page Top

3 Screw 'em. Go. Hope the League of Nations likes it's new home in... Zimbabwe?

Posted by tu3031 2003-03-11 19:45:18|| 2003-03-11 19:45:18|| Front Page Top

4 A rumor off a UK chat room, some of you guys would have fun there, talking to those euros.
Last week I was fortunate to speak to 2 MPs about France and their veto...what they told me wasn't pleasant.
The UK, with clandestine help from the US, have for some weeks been arranging 'compromise' agreement that will offer the inspectors 21 (or so) more days. France and co., fearing that they will look unreasonable (and more importantly, fearing that they will be locked out of the Middle East for the foreseeable future), will become forced into a corner: they will have no alternative but to approve, or abstain from, the resolution, taking all the waverers with them. If this happens it will be a sad end to the brave resistance that France, Russia, and the developing countries have exhibited against the US. If you disagree with war, then disagree with the compromise........It is a smokescreen for war. And another example of the USA blackmailing its way out of a sticky arrangement.

More depressingly when war begins, I was told, it will be like nothing previously seen. The war will be fought totally at night, and essentially be over in 6 days. After being told this I wondered how many thousands of Iraqis will be slaughtered due to the mortal fear of losing one American GI life.

Posted by Anonymous 2003-03-11 20:54:24|| 2003-03-11 20:54:24|| Front Page Top

5 Anon (which Anon are you? You Anon's should pick numbers or colors or something),

As to how many Iraqis will die because of our "mortal fear" of losing American lives, that's the way it's supposed to be. The American army has always been willing to send a shell instead of a man. Our own Civil War taught us about wasting human lives in frontal assaults, and observing Verdun and Paschendale in WW I drove the message home. We WILL commit to assaults that have to be made (e.g., Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Normandy, Hue), but we will also work to avoid those situations. I don't know how many Iraqis (or Americans) will die, but the battle strategy of conserving American lives is thoroughly ingrained into the American military, AND in the American public.

As to the political scenario you posit, I must say that my read on it is that France vetoes regardless. They've invested almost all of their political capital in this; their reasoning is that America is the bigger threat, and their goal is to contain us. Losing this vote won't bother them, it will simply set the stage for further confrontations (e.g., the next stop in the 'War on Terror' tour) where they'll hope to do better. France is 'non' all the way, so I don't think your scenario will come to pass. We'll see in the next couple of days.

Posted by Steve White 2003-03-11 21:11:07|| 2003-03-11 21:11:07|| Front Page Top

6 "a sad end to the brave resistance that France, Russia and the developing countries have exhibited against the US"
"USA blackmailing its way out a sticky arrangement"
Do I detect a bit of bias here? Are you sure you don't work for Reuters, Anon?
There is no way Bush is going to wait 21 more days. Our priority now are the men and women who are putting their lives on the line so people like Anonymous can have the freedom to spout his hatred of the US.

Posted by cdw 2003-03-11 23:12:49|| 2003-03-11 23:12:49|| Front Page Top

7 Hey Anon (dipshit),

So OUR soldiers are supposed to die? How do you think wars are fought, by Marquis of Queensberry rules?

As Patton said, the goal is to MAKE THE OTHER POOR BASTARD DIE FOR HIS COUNTRY. We WANT our guys to survive, is that hard to understand or are you a blithering idiot? Of course we have a "mortal fear" of losing American lives. These are OUR sons and daughters, jerkoff.

Leftists are truly and totally insane, not to mention suicidal.

Posted by R. McLeod 2003-03-12 00:55:22|| 2003-03-12 00:55:22|| Front Page Top

8 Kinda makes you wonder what these anonymous posters are afraid of.

Posted by raptor 2003-03-12 07:23:49|| 2003-03-12 07:23:49|| Front Page Top

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