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2023-12-12 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

‘The Holodomor': How Ukraine distorted the history of a tragic Soviet famine to help build its modern national myth

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Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-12-12 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [21 views ] Top

#1 Can you give me some examples of Ukrainian historians who ignore the data and insist that the famine affected only Ukraine?

Posted by Flineck Johnson9395 2023-12-12 03:36|| 2023-12-12 03:36|| Front Page Top

#2 ^In the article itself, Nicollo.

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-12-12 04:25|| 2023-12-12 04:25|| Front Page Top

#3 No specific Ukrainian historians are named or their works cited, It does not engage with or critique any of their specific arguments or historical works.

Posted by Flineck Johnson9395 2023-12-12 05:15|| 2023-12-12 05:15|| Front Page Top

#4 So look in Senyonov for refs, master schoolar!

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-12-12 05:20|| 2023-12-12 05:20|| Front Page Top

#5 Or go to their web page, Herodotus!

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-12-12 05:23|| 2023-12-12 05:23|| Front Page Top

#6 Mashed potatoes!

I believe the British enabled the political environment in it's troubled island state which fostered the number of domestic and foreign institutions leading to the Great Famine deaths and population migration.

Under any intellectual disguise, I don't see much difference in population behavior.

The "middleman system" for managing landed property was introduced in the 18th century.

My fear is the Gatesian land grab will introduce a similar phenomena of exploitation and collapse.

Posted by Skidmark 2023-12-12 14:24|| 2023-12-12 14:24|| Front Page Top

#7 So the defense is that it wasn't Stalin in particular but Communism in general that was the cause?

Posted by Glenmore 2023-12-12 15:06|| 2023-12-12 15:06|| Front Page Top

#8 The point Glen, that it wasn't anything specific against Ukrainians.

Posted by Grom the Reflective 2023-12-12 15:49|| 2023-12-12 15:49|| Front Page Top

#9 "Eat, drink, and be merry, for fate
Is what starves you, not Great Russian hate!
'Tis merely a famine!
Feel free to examine
The books while I make you a plate."

Posted by Jang Wittlesbach7531 2023-12-12 21:02|| 2023-12-12 21:02|| Front Page Top

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