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2012-05-30 Home Front: WoT
Secret 'Kill List' Proves a Test of Obama's Principles and Will
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Posted by Steve White 2012-05-30 12:27|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11134 views ]  Top

#1 Somewhere, Dick Cheney is smiling.
Posted by OldSpook 2012-05-29 17:29||   2012-05-29 17:29|| Front Page Top

#2 The hypocritical bastards.

They blew up every good intell operation Dubyah had and here they are essentially praising THE ONE for doing the same thing, if not more ruthlessly, they criticized in GWB.

I hope that place melts to the ground someday...or a terrorist sets himself off in the editorial offices.
Posted by Bill Clinton 2012-05-29 17:47||   2012-05-29 17:47|| Front Page Top

#3 Last thing I want is some megalomaniacal political leader with little/no military experience playing general. History is full of such examples and they always turn out badly.
Posted by crosspatch 2012-05-29 18:52||   2012-05-29 18:52|| Front Page Top

#4 It's a very detailed description of the process of deciding who is going to die, or suffer death. Many individuals and agencies involved, working in groups, sharing information and conclusions and findings, similar to a judicial panel.

I guess we could call it a "death panel". Kinda catchy.
Posted by Halliburton - Mysterious Conspiracy Division 2012-05-30 01:58||   2012-05-30 01:58|| Front Page Top

#5 The elevation of decision making of this type to the Presidential level has, as mentioned, numerous secord order effects. One NOT mentioned is the fact that battlefield actions regarding "kill or capture" across the wider spectrum of operation tend to be seen through the same prism and severly impact all other operations.

Aggressive battlefield interrogation of prisoners detainees and all-source intelligence fusion are icky. Submit your requests to update the data-base to the lawyers, and release them all within the rules of the specified detention periods. Only the King will decide who is to live, die, or be further detained.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-05-30 05:01||   2012-05-30 05:01|| Front Page Top

#6 Yet another potential second order effect as posted here this morning:

U.S. officials among Iranian assassination plot targets

The beginning paragraphs of a 3-page report from the Washington Post. It wasn't just about Israel after all.

In November, the tide of daily cable traffic to the U.S. Embassy in Azerbaijan brought a chilling message for Ambassador Matthew Bryza, then the top U.S. diplomat to the small Central Asian country. A plot to kill Americans had been uncovered, the message read, and embassy officials were on the target list.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-05-30 05:22||   2012-05-30 05:22|| Front Page Top

#7 All determined without having HUMINIT on the ground may make problems worse.
Posted by newc 2012-05-30 06:16||   2012-05-30 06:16|| Front Page Top

#8 Indeed it will newc.

As you know, tactical interrogation reporting (prisonor reporting) helps feed the HUMINT collection and analysis process. Prisoners are "sources" and good sources, prisoners, or others.... be hard to find. Without prisoners (and we don't even call them that anymore), whom you can question and interrogate over lengthy periods of time, you have lost a valuable collection capability. Sole reliance upon national systems and their multi-agency handlers, has it's downside(s).

The idea that only some God level arbiter, or a national agency can make final detention and interrogation decisions has a chilling, WTF effect at the squad level.

Posted by Besoeker 2012-05-30 07:48||   2012-05-30 07:48|| Front Page Top

#9 “These attacks are making people say, ‘We believe now that al-Qaeda is on the right side,’ ”
Posted by newc 2012-05-30 09:57||   2012-05-30 09:57|| Front Page Top

#10 Not sure what yahoo thought this would make xerxes obama look like a bad ass decision maker, but this was a bad bad idea link, and not just from a not-obama point of view.

It ruins the office, and the method. Drone theory was something I was on board with, but this puts it in an awkward light.
Posted by swksvolFF 2012-05-30 10:24||   2012-05-30 10:24|| Front Page Top

#11 Yahoo has become another MSM cheerleader for the empty suit under the desk. Just about everything they link to on the home page is pro obama and anti Romney/anti-Republican
Posted by Bill Clinton 2012-05-30 11:34||   2012-05-30 11:34|| Front Page Top

#12 Yeah he's real pricipaled. So why is his chief political advisor axelrod in the meeting? To help with the politics of the decision of the pricipals? Shitbags.
Posted by Hellfish 2012-05-30 12:08||   2012-05-30 12:08|| Front Page Top

#13 principles & will? who exactly are we talking about here?
Posted by Fluper de Medici7143 2012-05-30 13:16||   2012-05-30 13:16|| Front Page Top

#14 Drone theory was something I was on board with, but this puts it in an awkward light.

Word, swksvolFF.

Barack Obama, a realist narcissist who, unlike some of his fervent supporters, was never carried away by believed a word of his own rhetoric. Instead, he was already putting his lawyerly mind cravenly scheming to carving out the maximum amount of maneuvering room to fight terrorism as he saw fit maximally cover his ass.

FIFY.
Posted by RandomJD 2012-05-30 13:37||   2012-05-30 13:37|| Front Page Top

#15 Maybe Axelrod is there to produce the domestic drone list.

The picture of him going over a targeting list like a dinner menu is a put off. "Let's see, what do I feel like..Yemani..Somali..I know, Pahkistahni, making me look bad with their road blockade. Garcon! (clap clap) Make it so."

"Garcon means boy."
Posted by swksvolFF 2012-05-30 15:08||   2012-05-30 15:08|| Front Page Top

#16 Should come as no great surprise. Obama, the ultimate Statist, the arbiter of all decision making, to include that of life over death. Like the son Tiberious, he clearly relishes the power as well as the task.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-05-30 16:11||   2012-05-30 16:11|| Front Page Top

#17 I wonder if the Nobel guys want their Peace Prize back yet.
Posted by gorb 2012-05-30 19:38||   2012-05-30 19:38|| Front Page Top

#18 I wonder if the Nobel guys want their Peace Prize back yet.

Heh. Naw. BHO will just promise to take out one of those Polish death camps.
Posted by RandomJD 2012-05-30 19:48||   2012-05-30 19:48|| Front Page Top

#19 Or at least stop giving them a bad name.
Posted by gorb 2012-05-30 23:10||   2012-05-30 23:10|| Front Page Top

#20 See also DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > OBAMA CHANGED DEFININTION OF "CIVILIAN" IN DRONE WARS | WORLDNEWS: REPORT: OBAMA EMBRACED [expanded = very broad]DISPUTED DEFINITION OF "CIVILIAN" IN DRONE WARS.

and

* SAME > THE HANDS-ON APPROACH TO LEGAL FORCE.

I dunno - iff these Artics + similar were meant to help divert or protect the Bammer + US Govt. from becom targets for Radical Islamist Terrops widin CONUS, THEY'RE DOING A POOR JOB.

IMO, to a dedicated MilTerr's eyes all these Artics validate a Terrop(s) agz the Bammer, NOT IN-VALIDATE, espec given past rhetiric of vengeance agz the US for the Drone Strikes, deaths of Muslims in general, + Drone-led killing of Senior ot Top Leaders.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2012-05-30 23:56||   2012-05-30 23:56|| Front Page Top

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