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2005-03-01 Home Front: WoT
Mexico vows to fight migrant patrol project in US
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Posted by Steve White 2005-03-01 12:19:35 AM|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11137 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 That's it Luis, go cry to choco-beaurocrats in Brussels, the UN, whoever. I couldn't give a rat's @$$ about what you think of our laws.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2005-03-01 1:04:13 AM||   2005-03-01 1:04:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Migration is a prickly issue for Mexico,..

An ILLEGAL migration, to be sure.
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-03-01 1:07:14 AM||   2005-03-01 1:07:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 There's a NA summit in Mexico on th 23rd.

This should be...interesting.
Posted by anonymous2u 2005-03-01 1:23:57 AM||   2005-03-01 1:23:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Just goes to show how preposterous this situation has become, a foreign government taking legal action against American citizens trying to keep Illegal immigrants out of our country… and the foreign government will have their day in court.

WHY??
Posted by Big Sarge 2005-03-01 5:48:08 AM||   2005-03-01 5:48:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 yawn. They might get lucky with the 9th Circus Ct. but unless they plan to go to war with us this is only going to backfire on them by getting a ruling that will clarify the Minutemen's rights.
Posted by 2b 2005-03-01 7:07:58 AM||   2005-03-01 7:07:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Just a bunch of folks"out for a stroll and enjoying the beauty of the Sonoran Desert"nothing to get excited about(pay no mind to those NVG's)Saw a report last night that some goofballs are trying to ban the sell of Stunguns to civilians.How stupid is that?I can by a 10mm Glock,but they do not want me to be able to own a stungun,sheesh,bunch wankers.
Posted by raptor 2005-03-01 7:11:40 AM||   2005-03-01 7:11:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 It's pretty obvious that the Mexicans think they have sovereignity on both sides of the border.
The US has been too nice and tolerant with Mexicans for so long that they now have contempt for the US. The only way relations can work is for the US to slap the Mexicans down hard if they even think of violating US sovereignity. Can you imagine the furor in Mexico if the US tried such a move.

Build the Friendship Fence, mine it, and shoot to kill anyone who tries to cross it.
Posted by ed 2005-03-01 8:17:10 AM||   2005-03-01 8:17:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Unfortunately, we have some useful idiots on our side of the border who are quite willing to help us lose.
Posted by Jackal  2005-03-01 8:36:05 AM|| [http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]  2005-03-01 8:36:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Annex Mexico - send the federals south to hang these corrupt politicians and their drug lord sponsors. Every set of feet crossing our southern border is another vote to Annex!! The Commonwealth of Mexico, soon!
Posted by Sholung Ulolutle1664 2005-03-01 8:59:38 AM||   2005-03-01 8:59:38 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Then I'm sure that Mexico won't have any problem with Us suing Them for the expense of the Illegal Aliens right?

I still say ship them back in boxcars -- based on their LEGAL STATUS and not their nationallity.
Posted by CrazyFool 2005-03-01 9:18:13 AM||   2005-03-01 9:18:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Migration is a prickly issue for Mexico, where the government is growing skeptical US President George W. Bush will be able to deliver on his promise of a new migration accord to enable legal, safe and orderly migration

This is wishful thinking. There is no compelling reason for the US to allow "migration." These people don't want to become US citizens. They just want to reverse the results of the 1848 war. They are like the Palestinians that want the land back after someone else has made it into a garden. Drop leaflets saying that anyone illegally crossing the border will be shot and killed and then put armed Predators along the border. Tell Mexico that we are just doing what they do to anyone trying to cross THEIR southern border illegally.
Posted by RWV 2005-03-01 9:52:11 AM||   2005-03-01 9:52:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Lol ... does "It's our country, fair and square" a viable slogan?

I totally agree with everyone here and with the Minutemen. I figure though that Newman is either deluded or simply pimping himself for brownie points ...
Posted by Omurong Spung8918 2005-03-01 10:14:29 AM||   2005-03-01 10:14:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 who do these whiney Mexicans think they are, do they think they can dictate US policy within it's own sovergn boundaries with legal action. This would be laughable if lawyers these days didnt have so much clout to warp the rule of law to their own agendas.
Posted by Outide 2005-03-01 10:16:30 AM||   2005-03-01 10:16:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Can you imagine the furor in Mexico if the US tried such a move.

Can you imagine the furor in the U.S. if the U.S. tried such a move?
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-03-01 10:40:49 AM||   2005-03-01 10:40:49 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 Ummm, isn't he interferring in our internal affairs???
Posted by anonymous2u 2005-03-01 11:03:42 AM||   2005-03-01 11:03:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 --Can you imagine the furor in the U.S. if the U.S. tried such a move?---

Depends on the state.

They've had 3-1/2 years to be a part of the solution, they have chosen to remain a part of the problem.
Posted by anonymous2u 2005-03-01 11:10:01 AM||   2005-03-01 11:10:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 It's pretty obvious that Mexico sees the US as a Mexican colony wide-open for settlement by Mexican nationals.
Posted by Zhang Fei  2005-03-01 12:22:59 PM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2005-03-01 12:22:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 This is pretty much Mexico's version of Manifest Destiny, but in the 21st century.
Posted by Zhang Fei  2005-03-01 12:24:52 PM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2005-03-01 12:24:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 ZF- Well, yeah, ever hear of Aztlan? Some radicals want to take the SW back by illegal immigration.
Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-03-01 12:46:54 PM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]  2005-03-01 12:46:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 (1) Seal the border solid. Let the Marines and Army train on interdicting illegals in the desert as practice for deployment in Iraq. Retask the DEA and ATF into border patrol duties.

(2) Pay the State Government for border protection services and pass a law that withholds Highway Funds from states that don't take the illegal issue seriously.

(3) Task the IRS with tracking down companies that hire illegals. If they even think you hire illegals they audity you.

(4) Reframe the arguement as pro-Mexican people. The US has acted as a safety valve for decades. The illegals have brought money back to Mexico and allowed the Mexican government to avoid needed reform. Because of our well meaning intentioned policy millions of millions of hardworking Mexicans living in a nation wealthy with minerals and oil have been living in abject poverty. This cannot stand. By doing this any complaints from the left and the Mexican government can be deflected as greedy, corrupt, or racist.

With the safety valve shut off Mexico will have to reform or face revolution. Either way it's got to be better than it is now.
Posted by rjschwarz  2005-03-01 12:53:36 PM|| [http://rjschwarz]  2005-03-01 12:53:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 RJS: Speaking of your #3, I saw somewhere today that there's a bill routing through the House that allows any EMPLOYEE of a company to sue the company for hiring illegals. Think of it as reverse (anti) affirmative action for illegals. I think it could have feet...especially the SW States' Reps. I think border security is priority #1 for Dept. of Homeland Sec.
Posted by BA  2005-03-01 1:22:52 PM||   2005-03-01 1:22:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 wow! That would have a huge impact. One disgruntled employee and thousands of dollars of fines.
Posted by 2b 2005-03-01 1:32:46 PM||   2005-03-01 1:32:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 There is only one reason that illegal immigration is allowed to continue and that is the flow of low cost labor. Putting pressure on the employer was tried in the late 80's and it failed miserabley. Choking off the demand is the only way to stop the situation. I am hugely sceptical that is going to happen.
Posted by Remoteman 2005-03-01 1:55:14 PM||   2005-03-01 1:55:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Another way to frame the arguement is that previously many of the jobs taken up by illegals were handled by African Americans (Janitorial, farm, etc). By promoting illegal immigration the paychecks for those jobs have plummetted to the point that they are not really respectable jobs anymore. Higher unemployment rates in the African American community are the result.

Realistically we won't see any change until (a) another attack (b) 2008 elections when Bush is gone and the Republican candidate position is fought over.
Posted by rjschwarz  2005-03-01 2:11:19 PM|| [http://rjschwarz]  2005-03-01 2:11:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 (b) but the Democrats might own the issue by then.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-03-01 2:15:11 PM||   2005-03-01 2:15:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 They might get lucky with the 9th Circus Ct.
Do they have jurisdiction over Arizona? What about New Mexico?
Posted by thibaud (aka lex) 2005-03-01 2:17:40 PM||   2005-03-01 2:17:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Reframe the argument as pro-Mexican people
Illegal immigration hurts honest, legal immigrant workmen harder than anyone. These folks need to be put front and center to make our case.
Posted by thibaud (aka lex) 2005-03-01 2:19:45 PM||   2005-03-01 2:19:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 AZ Yes, NM No.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-03-01 2:37:29 PM||   2005-03-01 2:37:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 deliver on his promise of a new migration accord to enable legal, safe and orderly migration.

There IS a legal, safe, and orderly immigration policy -- it is written into the current immigration laws. Thousands of people use it every day - hundreds of thousands (if not millions) are waiting for their 'turn' to use it even as we speak.

Giving mexicans a 'special' category (as Bush is trying to do) is truely racist.
Posted by CrazyFool 2005-03-01 2:46:24 PM||   2005-03-01 2:46:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 Pancho Villa? Do I know Pancho Villa?
Of course I know Pancho Villa!
I had lunch with hem!
Posted by Shipman 2005-03-01 3:08:40 PM||   2005-03-01 3:08:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 I know Pancho Tequila. He's a midget who works in a bar in Guadalajara (I think. It's kind of foggy in my brain). He wears cartridge belts crossed over his chest that hold shot glasses and he pours you a shot glass full of tequila for a fee. My head still hurts.
Posted by Deacon Blues 2005-03-01 3:24:25 PM||   2005-03-01 3:24:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 CF-I'm with you. We don't need a separate category of immigration for Mexicans or anyone else; we are supposed to have the same laws for everybody. (That's the one way you know you've emigrated to America.)
Posted by Jules 187 2005-03-01 3:30:02 PM||   2005-03-01 3:30:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 (b) but the Democrats might own the issue by then.

As long as it creates debate. Right now both parties have their heads in the sand as they hope for Latino votes. If the Democrats came out on the right side of this issue, and they found someone strong on foreign policy they might earn my vote.

I'm not sure they've got anyone like that though, nor will they until they hit rock bottom in 2006 or later.
Posted by rjschwarz  2005-03-01 4:24:44 PM|| [http://rjschwarz]  2005-03-01 4:24:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 As a releated topic... Mexico needs to explain why no car stolen in the USA has ever been returned by Mexico.
Posted by 3dc 2005-03-01 5:48:25 PM||   2005-03-01 5:48:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 the Mexican cops aren't done driving them yet

really
Posted by Frank G  2005-03-01 5:56:18 PM||   2005-03-01 5:56:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 Frank's right, there was a news report where they tracked down some of the stolen cars and found different law enforcement guys driving them.

I lost a VW Jetta in San Diego in the early 90s and I just know it went to Mexico without me.
Posted by rjschwarz  2005-03-01 6:09:48 PM|| [http://rjschwarz]  2005-03-01 6:09:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 fellow San Diegan - I sympathize. The Mexican cops don't have the budget for those Suburbans, SUV's Jeeps etc. - where do you think they come from? - I could search the SD paper's archives and come up with a dozen incidents where Mex cops were driving vehicles stolen in the US
Posted by Frank G  2005-03-01 6:14:51 PM||   2005-03-01 6:14:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 This from the Minutemens SOP:
If challenged, you will physically remove yourself from the situation. At this point 'tis better to retreat and preserve the ability to return and fight another day. The idea is for your sidearm to remain holstered for the duration of your visit. There will be absolutely no need to ever remove your firearm from its holster - not for cleaning, not for show-and-tell, not for any reason. By never removing the firearm from the holster, never keeping it chambered and always keeping the safety on and keeping your hands away from it, there can be no accidents. End of discussion. Remove the firearm from the holster for any reason, and your group members will likely send you on your way back home.

Stun guns, mace, pepper spray are alternatives for personal safety, but remember you have agreed to abide by a no contact, no engagement policy, so your safety will never be an issue. Right?
Heh.

Posted by crazyhorse  2005-03-01 11:11:50 PM||   2005-03-01 11:11:50 PM|| Front Page Top

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