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2017-02-04 Home Front: Politix

Federal judge in Seattle halts Trump's immigration order

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Posted by Besoeker 2017-02-04 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 Fine, take some of the more unsavory ones and drop them off at the homes of the Attourneys and Judge.

I'm sure they won't mind...

Posted by CrazyFool 2017-02-04 00:21|| 2017-02-04 00:21|| Front Page Top

#2 OTOH the judge might have feared for his life in ultra-liberal Seattle...

Posted by CrazyFool 2017-02-04 00:36|| 2017-02-04 00:36|| Front Page Top

#3 TRUMP IS ALREADY DESTROYING ARIZONA'S ECONOMY

TRUMP could destroy the local AZ economies. Illegal immigrants are boycotting Arizona by the thousands and moving elsewhere showing their outrage with Donald Trump's proposed law of sending illegal immigrants back to their native countries.

In the small town of Guadalupe, AZ, south of Phoenix, Manuel Renaldo is one of those who are vowing to punish Arizona by leaving.

As he loaded his stolen car with his taxpayer-furnished belongings and family of ten, Renaldo told this reporter through an interpreter:
"It's a matter of principle; I refuse to be supported by a state that treats me like a criminal!"

The effects of the exodus are already being felt by some Arizona retailers, who are reporting dwindling thefts & sales of beer, tequila, spray paint, and ammunition. Also hit hard are the state hospitals, which have reported a dramatic decline in births and emergency room visits of non-revenue patients!.

State welfare agencies are preparing to lay off staffs that distribute food stamps and unemployment benefits. Tattoo parlors are in an absolute state of panic!

Renaldo told a reporter, through an interpreter, that he and his family are moving to Canada, with a new Liberal government under Justin Trudeau and new higher taxes and hardworking people who will better support him and his family with dignity!

Kinda brings a tear to your eyes, doesn't it?

Posted by Besoeker 2017-02-04 00:55|| 2017-02-04 00:55|| Front Page Top

#4 I'm not sure it stops anything. If visas have already been cancelled, it would take action by the current administration to un-cancel them. I doubt that's going to take place.

Posted by Crusader 2017-02-04 01:03|| 2017-02-04 01:03|| Front Page Top

#5 Federal judge in Seattle

Title 8, Section 1182 of the U.S. Code provides in relevant part:
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2017-02-04 06:40|| 2017-02-04 06:40|| Front Page Top

#6 I don't get it. How does Trump's order violate the constitutional rights of foreigners who are not even in our country yet? Is the judge saying that everybody in the whole wide world is protected by the US Constitution and has the right to come here?

Posted by Abu Uluque 2017-02-04 12:55|| 2017-02-04 12:55|| Front Page Top

#7 Yes.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2017-02-04 13:07|| 2017-02-04 13:07|| Front Page Top

#8 Well, I must have missed something. When did that become the law of the land?

Who decides US immigration policy? Some unelected piss ant judge or the POTUS who was elected by the citizens of this country to do exactly what he is doing?

Whose country is it? The people who were born here, fought for it and pay taxes to it or a bunch of Somalians? Why should I pay my taxes if this country's protections, rights and privileges extend all over the world to people who don't pay taxes? To people who would just as soon kill me as look at me?

This ruling cannot stand.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2017-02-04 13:28|| 2017-02-04 13:28|| Front Page Top

#9 And all those people who said we should elect a real conservative like Jeb Bush were full of it. This judge was appointed by Jeb's brother George and what he's just done is not what I'd characterize as being the least bit conservative. Why elect a "real conservative" when we get judges who disregard the rights of American citizens in favor of foreigners?

Posted by Abu Uluque 2017-02-04 13:34|| 2017-02-04 13:34|| Front Page Top

#10 Copied from an email someone sent me. Author unknown.
McCarran-Walter Act Of 1952

Wouldn't it have been interesting if, at some point during the presidential campaign, if one of the candidates asked, "Oh, by the way, has anyone in Washington, D.C., ever heard of the McCarran-Walter Act Of 1952?"

I did not know of this act until recently, but it has been a law for almost 65 years.

Here are the historic facts that would seem to indicate that many, if not most, of the people we elect to work for us in Washington do not have the slightest idea of what laws already exist in OUR country.

After several terrorist incidents were carried out in the United States, Donald Trump was severely criticized for suggesting that the U.S. should limit or temporarily suspend the immigration of certain ethnic groups, nationalities and even people of certain religions (Muslims).

The criticisms condemned such a suggestion as, among other things, being un-American, dumb, stupid, reckless, dangerous and racist.

Congressmen and senators swore that they would never allow such legislation, and our president called such a prohibition on immigration unconstitutional.

As Gomer Pyle would say, "Well, surprise, surprise!"

It seems that the selective immigration ban is already law and has been applied on several occasions.

Known as the McCarran-Walter Act, the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 allows for the "suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by the president, whenever the president finds that the entry of aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States.

"The president may, by proclamation, and for such a period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens, immigrants or non- immigrants, or impose any restrictions on the entry of aliens he may deem to be appropriate."

Who was president when this was passed?

Harry Truman. Who do you suppose last used this process?

Jimmy Carter, no less than 37 years ago, in 1979 to keep Iranians out of the United States.

But he actually did more. He made ALL Iranian students, already in the United States, check in with the government. And then he deported a bunch of them.

Seven thousand were found in violation of their visas, and a total of 15,000 Iranians were forced to leave the USA in 1979.

So, what do you say about all of the criticism that Donald Trump received from the Democratic senators, representatives and the Obama Administration?

Additionally, it is important to note that the McCarran-Walter Act also requires that an "applicant for immigration must be of good moral character and in agreement with the principles of our Constitution."

Therefore, one could surmise that since the Quran forbids Muslims to swear allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, technically, ALL Muslims
should or could be refused immigration to OUR country.

Posted by Besoeker 2017-02-04 14:07|| 2017-02-04 14:07|| Front Page Top

#11 B, I've been a lawyer for almost 40 years. I don't know nuthin' about Judge Robart, but I will tell you that the bane of my existence has been the results-oriented judge. (Only a fraction of them are results-oriented in the sense I mean, thank God, but there are some.)

The problem is that you cannot draft a statute or a contract that will survive scrutiny by a results-oriented judge. You write a contract that says:

"The price of any beans sold by Joe to Sally during the term of this contract is one penny per bean. This price cannot be adjusted for any reason, up or down. We're not kidding. Neither of us is stoned and this is the deal we've agreed to."

A dispute breaks out between Joe and Sally. Judge Myway looks at the contract and decides the price of a bean should really be two pennies. He can't flat-out rewrite the contract, but he can fashion a rule that lets him get to the result he wants. "I find that the word 'price' is ambiguous, and has to be interpreted in the context of basic fairness, the city ordinances of Moosejaw, and my imagination. Therefore, Sally owes Joe two pennies a bean."

Improve the wording of the contract? Sure. go ahead, but it's Chinatown. This happens all day, every day, and twice on Sundays. Which is why the first question experienced lawyers ask when a new suit rolls in is "Who's the judge?"

And as for the many judges who work their tails off to decide cases according to the law, I say a prayer of thanks for you daily.

Posted by Chunky Gray5921 2017-02-04 14:55|| 2017-02-04 14:55|| Front Page Top

#12 Chunky, EXACTLY!

As a business man every civil issue that required an attorney's services, the lawyer ALWAYS asked, "Who is the judge on this case?"

Now as a more seasoned person, I once received a citation, but evidence favored me. This time I called the court clerk who told me that may still not get the citation dismissed. I found another court in jurisdiction that assured me it would, transfered the issue to them and won.

Posted by Nero White 3083 2017-02-04 15:18|| 2017-02-04 15:18|| Front Page Top

#13 Excellent research and commentary, grom, Besoeker and Chunky.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2017-02-04 16:54|| 2017-02-04 16:54|| Front Page Top

#14 Author Rita?
http://fox6now.com/2017/01/30/former-pres-barack-obama-fundamentally-disagrees-with-pres-trumps-immigration-executive-order/

Posted by newc 2017-02-04 21:37|| 2017-02-04 21:37|| Front Page Top

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