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2022-10-02 Europe

The Curious Whodunit of Nordstreams 1 and 2

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[Gold Goats'n Guns] The old world broke this week. It was blown up cynically by someone who thought this would advance their agenda the most.

The act of vandalizing a major piece of physical infrastructure, targeting civilian populations, isn’t unprecedented in history, but it does signal that everything we thought we knew about the rules of the current game was wrong.

Well, for most people anyway.

When I spoke in June at the Ron Paul Institute Conference on Foreign Policy I described the game of geopolitics as a seven-player game of the ancient Chinese game, Go.

And in that game we’ve reached an inflection point where some factions are coalescing and others are splintering. The faction that is unwilling to compromise on their future is the most dangerous one at the table.

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Posted by Besoeker 2022-10-02 01:13|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [1817 views ] Top

1 Interesting read. Seen many other articles on the topic? No, me neither.

Nordstream 1 and 2 bomber search set to pass 'Search for Seth Rich murderers' and 'Origins of Covid' race to Memory Hole.

Posted by Besoeker 2022-10-02 01:23|| 2022-10-02 01:23|| Front Page Top

2 His primary point is wrong; Russia can still send gas through other pipes. Although the Nord Stream pipelines were key arteries for delivering natural gas directly from Russia to Germany, they can be bypassed.

I am not saying Russia, I am waiting for more evidence.

Posted by BernardZ 2022-10-02 05:54|| 2022-10-02 05:54|| Front Page Top

3 Kinda funny that Russia is still sending NATGAS through Ukraine.

But if Russia has been cut off from the financial system, how is Ukraine collecting its transit fees? Surely there must be an exception. Surely.

The 20-some-minute video of Luongo's presentation was good, but this 36-minute interview from August is good, too (first four minutes can probably be skipped). His take on the old European oligarchs vis-a-vis the US is interesting.

Posted by DooDahMan 2022-10-02 06:07|| 2022-10-02 06:07|| Front Page Top

4 Sorry. Luongo has said stuff in the past as stupid as anything you'd expect from the likes of Kamala-lala-dingdong. Saying something now that some people want to hear does not make him right.

He's part of the same ZH stable that includes Caitlin Johnstone. Think about it.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-10-02 07:15|| 2022-10-02 07:15|| Front Page Top

5 I didn't think ANYBODY could be as stupid as Kamala-lala-dingdong.

Posted by DooDahMan 2022-10-02 08:07|| 2022-10-02 08:07|| Front Page Top

6 Interesting article, with interesting comments, on this over at LawDog.

Be warned! There's also some math and physics involved with a few of the comments.

Posted by Mullah Richard OTR 2022-10-02 08:34|| 2022-10-02 08:34|| Front Page Top

7 ^ That right there comports with "never attribute to malice anything which can be explained first by incompetence." Nice catch MR-OTR.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-10-02 08:37|| 2022-10-02 08:37|| Front Page Top

8 For more than a year, NordStream has been threatened with destruction — publicly, loudly, repeatedly — in explicit threats by the US President, his top State Department officials, and all of the Polish leadership.

The US and Poland fear and detest NordStream for the obvious reason that it gives Russia leverage over Europe’s most important nation, the engine of Europe’s industrial economy.

It is beyond stupid to say that the country which these people have declared their #1 enemy on the planet would do their work for them.

The notion that Russia would cut off its arm by blowing up its own pipeline and destroying its leverage over Germany is the ultimate insult to the peoples of the West. As if anyone could sneak in undetected beneath NATO warships in NATO’s lake that were that very day conducting their BALTOPS training exercises — exercises in detonating undersea mines and materiel! — and sneak out undetected, all the way back down the Baltic.

This ridiculous bullshit would be a good laugh only, a meme for a few days to add to the vast library of Biden the Shithead Menes, were these idiots not dragging us down the path to a nuclear war with Russia.

It’s not funny anymore. We’re looking at nuclear war. Over a shithole country that is of no strategic importance to us.

End this foolishness. They’ve caused enough damage. Get these madmen out of power and take their hands off the nuclear trigger before we end up in ruins.

Posted by Whogum 2022-10-02 08:54|| 2022-10-02 08:54|| Front Page Top

9 Russian submarines do go into the area regularly in 1989 one sunk there

Posted by Alistaire McCoy6941 2022-10-02 10:01|| 2022-10-02 10:01|| Front Page Top

10 Until someone can produce evidence against the Methane Hydrate plug theory I'm going with that.

The example of Russian maintenance competence at Chernobyl is of significant relevance to the discussion

Posted by AlanC 2022-10-02 10:08|| 2022-10-02 10:08|| Front Page Top

11 I agree on the methane plug/maintenance theory. And it’s something that should be amplified in my opinion. It might cool things down a bit, despite it being a backhanded insult to Russia.

Posted by Remoteman 2022-10-02 14:10|| 2022-10-02 14:10|| Front Page Top

12 a somewhat compelling argument against the 'it was an accident' theory is that the explosions were big

the basis for the 'big explosion' observation is seismographs in the area

Posted by Lord Garth 2022-10-02 16:31|| 2022-10-02 16:31|| Front Page Top

13 despite it being a backhanded insult to Russia.

It seems to me it’s a straightforward insult to Russia, Remoteman. But one they worked hard to earn after the Bolsheviks took over, with that whole pretend to work for pretend pay thingy.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-10-02 16:32|| 2022-10-02 16:32|| Front Page Top

14 For more than a year, NordStream has been threatened with destruction — publicly, loudly, repeatedly — in explicit threats by the US President, his top State Department officials, and all of the Polish leadership.

President Putin has been threatening everybody with nukes and a variety of countries with conquest since he started eyeing Ukraine’s borders, and yet he has neither moved beyond Ukraine nor aimed radiation delivery systems toward targets. Talk is cheap, but not necessarily meaningful.

Especially when it comes from President Alzheimer, who wanders in and out of reality while his staff ignores what comes out of his mouth.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-10-02 16:38|| 2022-10-02 16:38|| Front Page Top

15 Lord G. from what I've read a methane plug in a 48" diameter pipe under 3600 ft. lb. of pressure can make a pretty big ba-da-boom.

I don't know but as I said till I see some real evidence that's what I'd bet on.

Posted by AlanC 2022-10-02 18:14|| 2022-10-02 18:14|| Front Page Top

16 Last month we did two 16" Domestic Water (130 psi) linestop. Cleared 250'

Posted by Frank G 2022-10-02 18:35|| 2022-10-02 18:35|| Front Page Top

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