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2024-03-26 -Obits-
Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore, Maryland Collapses after Large Container Ship Hits it!
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Posted by 3dc 2024-03-26 02:48|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11147 views ]  Top

#1 10 million tons of cargo a year to that port and the bridge crosses the whole entrance to the port. It's MAJOR!
Posted by 3dc 2024-03-26 03:55||   2024-03-26 03:55|| Front Page Top

#2 Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge collapses after being struck by ship, ‘mass casualty event’ declared
Posted by Frank G 2024-03-26 04:37||   2024-03-26 04:37|| Front Page Top

#3 For the youtube cam - rewind it to 1:27 AM
Posted by 3dc 2024-03-26 04:41||   2024-03-26 04:41|| Front Page Top

#4 Baltimore City Implodes: Police Force Collapses, Only Three Officers Patrolled Major District
Posted by DooDahMan 2024-03-26 06:04||   2024-03-26 06:04|| Front Page Top

#5 It's Trump's fault! /sarcasm
Posted by Rambler in Virginia  2024-03-26 06:36||   2024-03-26 06:36|| Front Page Top

#6 Obviously the Nuland-Ukraine-Poland-ISIS axis, wot?
Posted by Bubba Thairong3655 2024-03-26 07:22||   2024-03-26 07:22|| Front Page Top

#7 Oops, forgot the Germans.
Posted by Bubba Thairong3655 2024-03-26 07:23||   2024-03-26 07:23|| Front Page Top

#8 Taking some pressure off of the Boeing CEO, Dave Calhoun news.
Posted by Besoeker 2024-03-26 08:01||   2024-03-26 08:01|| Front Page Top

#9 Who was piloting the ship?
Was this an accident?
Posted by The Walking Unvaxed 2024-03-26 08:09||   2024-03-26 08:09|| Front Page Top

#10 GPS Spoofing ?

Asking for a friend.
Posted by Besoeker 2024-03-26 08:13||   2024-03-26 08:13|| Front Page Top

#11 Rescuers scramble to save dozens including 20 construction workers after Baltimore's colossal Key Bridge collapsed when container ship crashed into it flinging 'multiple' cars and a semi-truck into the river amid fears of mass casualties
Posted by Skidmark 2024-03-26 08:22||   2024-03-26 08:22|| Front Page Top

#12 Check the crew - terrorism can take many forms.
Posted by Grom the Reflective 2024-03-26 08:23||   2024-03-26 08:23|| Front Page Top

#13 See how much we save not having ground guides tugs escorting vehicles through the harbor.
Posted by Procopius2k 2024-03-26 08:55||   2024-03-26 08:55|| Front Page Top

#14 I don't know enough about harbor operations to grasp the particulars. Was a harbor pilot involved at that stage?

Maersk is not a rinky-dink outfit. I would expect the ship had radar / lidar / GPS. WAas this stuff working.

The cynic in me says we will discover a female convert to pisslam DEI hire was at the helm and couldn't see the bridge pier because her niquab was interfering with her peripheral vision. Inshallah.
Posted by M. Murcek  2024-03-26 09:01||   2024-03-26 09:01|| Front Page Top

#15 Hey Pete, how's that transportation infrastructure study going?
Posted by Skidmark 2024-03-26 09:13||   2024-03-26 09:13|| Front Page Top

#16 engineered attack !
Posted by Jack Creanter7508 2024-03-26 09:16||   2024-03-26 09:16|| Front Page Top

#17 Doomed cargo ship Dali was being piloted by a LOCAL crew who were trained to AVOID obstacles in the Baltimore port - as it emerges 100,000-ton vessel 'lost control and propulsion' moments before smashing into the bridge
Posted by Skidmark 2024-03-26 09:22||   2024-03-26 09:22|| Front Page Top

#18 

Can a ship's control and propulsion be possible with that much of a load?
Posted by Beldar Uneter3543 2024-03-26 09:37||   2024-03-26 09:37|| Front Page Top

#19 ^ Doubtful - it's like driving a cinder block. Ships like that take about 1/2 mile to come to a stop after the engines are stopped.
Posted by Raj 2024-03-26 09:42||   2024-03-26 09:42|| Front Page Top

#20 Any work on the people in the 10 cars and the workers??
Posted by 49 Pan 2024-03-26 10:45||   2024-03-26 10:45|| Front Page Top

#21 Bridge Collapses due to poor navigation.... put together a $1.2 Trillion dollar infrastructure bill to fund Ukraine
Posted by Airandee 2024-03-26 10:50||   2024-03-26 10:50|| Front Page Top

#22 You would think the gerbilists would understand. You mess up the gerbil supply chain enough and Americans will become "Buy American" out of necessity.
Posted by M. Murcek 2024-03-26 10:55||   2024-03-26 10:55|| Front Page Top

#23 It’s a local that would be piloting the ship. I used to write the insurance for the Savannah and Brunswick Boat Pilot Assoc. Think of it as the designated hitter rule captains, skills have diminished but we need the union dues.

In theory a local knows the transit area better

ASSOCIATION OF
MARYLAND PILOTS
Posted by Beavis 2024-03-26 11:08||   2024-03-26 11:08|| Front Page Top

#24 ? props & rudder got tangled with a drifting WWI mine ?
Posted by Gromble Dribble4342 2024-03-26 11:27||   2024-03-26 11:27|| Front Page Top

#25 just like Nordstream 2. So improbable, just an accident, um me thinks not
Posted by 746 2024-03-26 11:49||   2024-03-26 11:49|| Front Page Top

#26 If you lose propulsion, the current has you. If they had ruder control, it would do little good without the prop wash. I did a couple of years as Anav on a tender.
Posted by Super Hose 2024-03-26 11:55||   2024-03-26 11:55|| Front Page Top

#27 rank Key Howard (October 25, 1826 – May 29, 1872) (also cited as Francis Key Howard) was an American newspaper editor and journalist. The grandson of Francis Scott Key and Revolutionary War colonel John Eager Howard, Howard was the editor of the Daily Exchange, a Baltimore newspaper sympathetic to the Confederacy. Just after midnight on September 13, 1861, he was arrested without a warrant at his home by U.S. Major General Nathaniel Prentice Banks on the direct orders of General George B. McClellan enforcing the policy of President Abraham Lincoln. (In his book he writes that he was told by the arresting officer that the order had come from Secretary of State William Seward.) The basis for his arrest was the writing of an editorial printed in his newspaper that was critical of Lincoln's suspension of the writ of habeas corpus, of the declaration by the Lincoln administration of martial law in Baltimore, and of the imprisonment without charge of Baltimore mayor George William Brown, sitting U.S. Congressman Henry May, all the police commissioners of Baltimore, and the entire city council.
Posted by Deacon Blues 2024-03-26 11:56||   2024-03-26 11:56|| Front Page Top

#28 Biden's Transportation Secretary Pete Buttgig is in front of this I am sure /sarc.
Posted by Beldar Uneter3543 2024-03-26 12:08||   2024-03-26 12:08|| Front Page Top

#29  Transportation Secretary Pete Buttgig is in front of this

Pete is more likely to be manning the stern *nudge*nudge* *wink*wink*
Posted by SteveS 2024-03-26 12:13||   2024-03-26 12:13|| Front Page Top

#30 IIRC, if a pilot is aboard and in control, he (or she) is responsible for the navigation. On the other hand, as several people have pointed out:
1) If a ship has lost power, it can no longer steer
2) Even if the ship is going 10 knots or so, it will take a long time and distance to come to a stop
3) At 95,000 tons, it has a LOT of momentum, even at slow speeds. Momentum is probably what brought the bridge down.
4) With no power, a ship has no brakes (or steering wheel, really),so it can't stop on a dime
Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2024-03-26 12:29||   2024-03-26 12:29|| Front Page Top

#31 Local TV coverage stated 6 still missing. Water temp near the bridge was 47 deg F. Found the following at a USCG info web site:
In 50 to 60 degree water, your survival time is six hours. In 40 to 50 degrees, survival time is half that -- three hours. You'll survive for one to1 1/2 hours in 35 to 40 degree water. In water less than 35 degrees, you'll succumb fast.
Posted by Gromble Dribble4342 2024-03-26 12:37||   2024-03-26 12:37|| Front Page Top

#32 #26 If you lose propulsion, the current has you. If they had ruder control, it would do little good without the prop wash. I did a couple of years as Anav on a tender.
Posted by Super Hose 2024-03-26 11:55|| 2024-03-26 11:55|| Front Page || Comments Top

SH,

There's also the issue of the wind - I've had a couple of former USN officers state that the wind was enough that when Dali lost steerage, those containers would have acted as a uncontrollable sail.

Mike
Posted by MikeKozlowski 2024-03-26 12:41||   2024-03-26 12:41|| Front Page Top

#33 Uh oh

BREAKING: Shipping company responsible for Bridge Collapse in Baltimore has EXTENSIVE Gender Diversity and DEI hiring practices and CEO awards to prove it!!

Exclusive: Internal shipping company Zoom call titled "The CEO Commitment, a fireside chat" has CEO outlining all of their internal incusivity and gender equity programs.

👀 CEO Rajesh Unni outlines the many exclusivity and equity programs that he personally is driving at the C Suite. They have received numerous awards in the last years for the DEI and Inclusive Workforce.

👀 "Diversity and Inclusion have moved far beyond just policy and are ensuring that we do things that should be done."

👀 On Synergy Marine Group's website they state, "At Synergy we want a workplace that is truly characterized by inclusion and belonging. Although diversity can be created through deliberate hiring practices, inclusion may not automatically follow."

The EEOC must immediately look in to their alleged illegal hiring practices.
@andrealucasEEOC


Included below is the Zoom call with the CEO where he brags about his C Suites commitment to driving equity and inclusion in all aspects of the company.

Additional clip is from their accepting an award in 2020 and attributing their winning to the companies focus on DEI and Inclusivity hiring and promoting practices.

The Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore was taken down by a distracted shipping company who's focus was Diversity, Equity and Inclusion and woke hiring and internal promoting practices.

Prayers for Baltimore.
Posted by Beavis 2024-03-26 12:42||   2024-03-26 12:42|| Front Page Top

#34 "was a harbor pilot involved?"

Yes. Two harbor pilots were captaining the vessel.
Posted by mossomo 2024-03-26 12:59||   2024-03-26 12:59|| Front Page Top

#35 Being that this port is on the east coast, I have to assume this is where Grey Poupon and Mercedes Benz cars are imported into the USA.
Posted by M. Murcek 2024-03-26 13:05||   2024-03-26 13:05|| Front Page Top

#36 Baltimore was #1 in Auto deliveries Brunswick, GA #2

With a population of roughly 15,000 people and about a five-hour drive from the rapidly growing Atlanta metro area, Brunswick, Georgia, might seem like an unlikely place for automotive shipping to flourish.

But flourish it has: behind only the Port of Baltimore, the Port of Brunswick ranks as the nation’s second-busiest port for wheeled cargo — known within the industry as “roll-on/roll-off” cargo, or simply “ro-ro.”

Having processed more than 700,000 units (primarily automobiles, but also some heavy machinery) in 2023 and grown its cargo volumes by 18% in the last fiscal year, the Port of Brunswick may well be on track to surpassing the Port of Baltimore — which Georgia Ports Authority president and CEO Griff Lynch has said will happen within five years.

Capable of handling up to three ro-ro ships at once, the Port of Brunswick is planning to add a fourth berth by 2026.

So, what explains the port’s success? The No. 1 reason, according to Lynch, is the Southeast region’s rapid population growth.

According to Pew, the Southern U.S. is growing faster than any other part of the country, with nearby Florida ranking as the fastest-growing state.
Posted by Beavis 2024-03-26 13:11||   2024-03-26 13:11|| Front Page Top

#37 Traffic was being blocked per todays press conference after receiving a mayday and warnings from the harbor pilots of the Dali 4 minutes before impact.
Posted by Shoth Gratch3103 2024-03-26 13:21||   2024-03-26 13:21|| Front Page Top

#38 which Georgia Ports Authority president and CEO Griff Lynch has said will happen within five years any day now.
Posted by M. Murcek  2024-03-26 13:21||   2024-03-26 13:21|| Front Page Top

#39  Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg Holds Emergency Press Conference To Announce He Is Taking 3 More Months Maternity Leave

The Bee right on time
Posted by Beavis 2024-03-26 14:14||   2024-03-26 14:14|| Front Page Top

#40 The video and a site that had a parallel video showed the channel very close to the bridge pier that was key to the entire span's collapse. The power loss occurs 4-6 minutes before the impact. The on-board Harbor pilot immediately radios the MAYDAY, and initiated the anchor drop. When power was briefly restored several minutes later the tried emergency backing and you could see the bow start to track left, then power fails again and impact quickly follows. The crux of the tragedy appears to be the mechanical failure and the absurdly close channel proximate to the critical bridge pier that sustained to centerpoint of the span load tension. The investigation will determine if it was equipment failure or human error in the engineering spaces, not the bridge.
Posted by NoMoreBS 2024-03-26 14:18||   2024-03-26 14:18|| Front Page Top

#41 https://youtu.be/qZbUXewlQDk
Posted by NoMoreBS 2024-03-26 14:33||   2024-03-26 14:33|| Front Page Top

#42 Story is it lost power while in the channel. Power came back but it was too late. Being driven by local pilot. A couple of years ago, same ship had a 'lost power' incident at Wilhamshaven, and smacked the wharf.
Posted by ed in texas 2024-03-26 15:17||   2024-03-26 15:17|| Front Page Top

#43 Harbor authority say all incoming ships (currently 10) must go elsewhere, and everybody in port is stuck there until further notice.
Posted by ed in texas 2024-03-26 15:23||   2024-03-26 15:23|| Front Page Top

#44  Biden claims to have taken the TRAIN over the Francis Scott Key bridge!
Says he has been over the bridge "many many times commuting from the state of Delaware either by train or by car."

The bridge had only four lanes of traffic and no rail lines.
Posted by Beavis 2024-03-26 15:30||   2024-03-26 15:30|| Front Page Top

#45 Impact on auto imports
Posted by M. Murcek  2024-03-26 15:31||   2024-03-26 15:31|| Front Page Top

#46 Bridge seemed to lack more modern standards. 80% concrete not normal for today's new constructions. Wind and earthquake designed but being hit was not as big of concern. Back to the drawing board.
Posted by Dale 2024-03-26 15:40||   2024-03-26 15:40|| Front Page Top

#47 Biden had a presser and said he'd rode the train across the Key Bridge many times. There's never been a train line on the Key Bridge.
I hear they're going to replace it with the Joe Biden Pontoon Bridge; that won't work, but then, neither does he.
Posted by ed in texas 2024-03-26 16:45||   2024-03-26 16:45|| Front Page Top

#48 Why not call back the ones sent to build Gaza pier?
Posted by Grom the Reflective 2024-03-26 17:20||   2024-03-26 17:20|| Front Page Top

#49 I predict they won't have a shipping channel open before the end of the summer and no replacement bridge will ever be built.
Posted by M. Murcek  2024-03-26 17:54||   2024-03-26 17:54|| Front Page Top

#50 I'm sure Mayor Pete will get right on it. After he's done chestfeeding.
On the other hand, this should cut down on emissions. Ships put out a lot of pollution.
Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2024-03-26 18:06||   2024-03-26 18:06|| Front Page Top

#51 It's going to affect the economy leading up to the election. Basically moots any help Joe could expect from messing with gas prices or the FED jiggering interest rates.
Posted by M. Murcek  2024-03-26 18:08||   2024-03-26 18:08|| Front Page Top

#52 My in-laws live in the area, the 695 exit before the bridge. It will inconvenience many people but there are alternative routes.

Mike, the freeboard is a big issue. I don’t know where the wind was or the state of the current. The propeller will also not be as effective with a backing bell on because of set up. I don’t think the main engine would turn at more than a slow rotation on the emergency generator. I would think that the bow thrusters could be used and the rudder. It looks like they were able to drop the port anchor. That would have only have stopped the vessel if it was dropped pretty far up the channel as the weight of the chain is what holds a ship in place. If it was dropped late the force have tended to rotate the ship to port and the stern to starboard.

The ship that I navigated was the Yellowstone- much less tonnage but similar handling. To me it looks like they did everything they could do.
Posted by Super Hose 2024-03-26 18:34||   2024-03-26 18:34|| Front Page Top

#53 If the ship lost power I would think that's a maintenance issue and that's just as bad as a pilot issue if not worse. Somebody needs to be in charge of making sure the ship does not lose power in close quarters like that and I would not want to be that person.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2024-03-26 18:35||   2024-03-26 18:35|| Front Page Top

#54 Good video, NoMoreBS.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2024-03-26 18:44||   2024-03-26 18:44|| Front Page Top

#55 Anothervideo
Posted by newc 2024-03-26 21:47||   2024-03-26 21:47|| Front Page Top

#56 Engineers blame $3m structural 'flaw' for Baltimore's Francis Scott Key bridge collapsing - and tens of thousands of bridges across US could also have fault
Posted by Skidmark 2024-03-26 23:37||   2024-03-26 23:37|| Front Page Top

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17:14 M. Murcek
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