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2023-04-15 Economy

Peak EV: Electric Vehicles Will Fade As Their True Costs Become Clear

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Posted by Besoeker 2023-04-15 00:12|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11125 views ] Top

#1 As auto manufacturers fade away Japan has planned for a brighter future. They will continue to produce gas, hybrid, Hydrogen, Diesel, and whatever to satisfy markets. Poor countries, wealthy countries , authoritarian all require different modes of transportation. I'd be happy with a mule.

Posted by Dale 2023-04-15 03:34|| 2023-04-15 03:34|| Front Page Top

#2 I'd be happy with a mule.

Until you actually have a mule.

Posted by Skidmark 2023-04-15 06:17|| 2023-04-15 06:17|| Front Page Top

#3 Preparing for the move to LNG when EVs expire?

Biden admin approves massive gas pipeline project in huge blow to climate activists

Posted by Skidmark 2023-04-15 06:45|| 2023-04-15 06:45|| Front Page Top

#4 /\ But I thought he and Victoria Nuland hated gas pipelines ?

Posted by Besoeker 2023-04-15 06:48|| 2023-04-15 06:48|| Front Page Top

#5 Thought that was Camilla?

Posted by Skidmark 2023-04-15 07:01|| 2023-04-15 07:01|| Front Page Top

#6 ...Wait till the dealers find out how much it costs and how few they're going to sell.

And then wait for the states - especially CA and NY - to enact laws on disposal and handling of batteries. You think paying extra to dispose of your tires sucks? Wait till they start adding a 15-20% fee for battery disposal at the point of sale and then added into your yearly license and registration every year. And don't get me started on the increases in insurance.

Oh, and the new user fees on EVs will be comedy gold as well. Just because you're using electricity doesn't mean you're going to stop paying for the roads. A mileage tax makes the most sense and is the least intrusive, but 'sense' and 'least intrusive' are two concepts most governments aren't real clear on.

And then the utilities will get in on the act, with 'high demand' usage and special fees for charging stations, not to mention what they're gonna charge for new generating capability.

Like I've always said: if you think driving with gas is expensive now, wait till you see how much it costs to drive when you don't use it anymore.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2023-04-15 08:31|| 2023-04-15 08:31|| Front Page Top

Separate paperless billing coming soon. We'll read the meters from the street. Multiple meter volume discounts apply.

Posted by Besoeker 2023-04-15 08:39|| 2023-04-15 08:39|| Front Page Top

#8 Yeah, EV's are sooooooo popular that the Feds had to offer $7,500 to get one. Of course, the EV makers would never raise prices...(kind of like guaranteed student loans vis-a-vis tuitions and raising the minimum wage).

How many miles of copper wiring are in these EV's, by the way?

ESG and "climate change" is definitely the new religion; well, besides covid and Saint Fauci.

Posted by DooDahMan 2023-04-15 09:31|| 2023-04-15 09:31|| Front Page Top

#9 Indeed, we will all wait to discover the true cost. Too late then as there will be no alternative bbut pack animals and steam as per design. Forget about alternative imports. Only a few will be allowed to trickle in but those will go to the ruling class as they can't be bothered to live under the rules they've set for the rest of us.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2023-04-15 09:45|| 2023-04-15 09:45|| Front Page Top

#10 To add to #5's list:
Wait until the first major disaster that knocks out regional power for days and weeks. The armed forces can truck in whatever is the 'fuel de jour' for their vehicle fleet but the rest of the population (including local infrastructure) is screwed.

Posted by magpie 2023-04-15 09:47|| 2023-04-15 09:47|| Front Page Top

#11 /\...Wait until they need to airdrop bicycle rickshaws (made in India or Chine and priority airshipped here) in the disaster area for ambulance work. (/sarc)

Posted by magpie 2023-04-15 09:49|| 2023-04-15 09:49|| Front Page Top

#12 EV's Not-so-little Dirty Secret(s)

Posted by DarthVader 2023-04-15 10:26|| 2023-04-15 10:26|| Front Page Top

#13 We can only hope.

Posted by 49 Pan 2023-04-15 11:54|| 2023-04-15 11:54|| Front Page Top

#14 And the IC vehicles not cashed for clunkers won't start because the software for the mandated alcohol sensor is no longer supported.

Ooops! Ooopsies!

Because it [the EV] destroys energy. You have this concept called EROI, which is the return on energy you put in. An EV, you put more energy in than you get out. And so as a result, it’s just like a thermodynamic rule—it won’t work unless you subsidize it.

*bangs head on desk*

And the same MFrs complaining about apple batteries going bad too soon, just a couple years ago, are like yeah EVs its fine.

Posted by swksvolFF 2023-04-15 11:59|| 2023-04-15 11:59|| Front Page Top

#15 #2 This says it all; Back in the day things were simpler and I'd stay.

Posted by Dale 2023-04-15 12:53|| 2023-04-15 12:53|| Front Page Top

#16 And then wait for the states - especially CA and NY - to enact laws on disposal

Both are dependent upon ocean dumping of their disposables.

Posted by Skidmark 2023-04-15 14:33|| 2023-04-15 14:33|| Front Page Top

#17

Posted by M. Murcek 2023-04-15 14:36|| 2023-04-15 14:36|| Front Page Top

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