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2023-02-15 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Mark Milley says Russia has LOST the war: Chairman of Joint Chiefs claims Putin has been defeated 'strategically, operationally and tactically' and is now a 'global pariah'
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Posted by Skidmark 2023-02-15 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11127 views ]  Top

#1 He should wear his mask and retire into his kennel
That statement shows that this fat homosexual ‘’general’’ is a moron
Posted by ACA JOE 2023-02-15 01:33||   2023-02-15 01:33|| Front Page Top

#2 Near as I can tell, Milley seems to be the source of the meme that Russia expected a quick, short war. I personally find it hard to believe that the Russians, famed as chess players and takers of well-planned dumps, bet the farm on a decapitation strike and everything since then has been improvised.

I'm willing to concede that the Rus have lost 2 or 3 times already and are completely out of missiles and soldiers, but looking at a map, they are not doing badly against an army that has been preparing defenses since 2014.
Posted by SteveS 2023-02-15 08:48||   2023-02-15 08:48|| Front Page Top

#3 ^^ The French call it chevauchée.

We call it fire and sword. It won't have the intended effect, but it is medieval.
Posted by badanov 2023-02-15 09:05||   2023-02-15 09:05|| Front Page Top

#4 Shock and Awe worked fine until it turned into nation building and "making the world safe for dumbocracy."
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-02-15 09:10||   2023-02-15 09:10|| Front Page Top

#5 Milley's opinion piece should maybe move to the Opinion section
Posted by lord garth 2023-02-15 09:44||   2023-02-15 09:44|| Front Page Top

#6 The Russians did expect a short war. The Russian army went into Ukraine w/o ammo, fuel or food reserves. Seems a lot of them, esp conscripts, didn't even know they crossed into Ukraine while others thought they would be warmly greeted. The power of propaganda and state controlled media.

The Russians bet that Ukraine was a Crimea writ large. But Kyiv isn't Sevastopol, populated by Russian navy retirees and with plenty of time to flood the battle space with Little Green Men. In 2014, the Donbass, even with LGM preparation, there was enough opposition to the Russian takeover that the Russian army had to invade. Other places like Mariupol or Odessa, the locals were able to defeat the Kremlin putschists.
Posted by Thruter Gloluger6393 2023-02-15 10:07||   2023-02-15 10:07|| Front Page Top

#7 The Russians did expect a short war. The Russian army went into Ukraine w/o ammo, fuel or food reserves.

Russian Army logistics plans almost always include foraging for food and fuel. Been that way for five generations.

I believe the stab for Kiev was Plan B, so when they didn't complete that, they went for the original op plan.
Posted by badanov 2023-02-15 10:18||   2023-02-15 10:18|| Front Page Top

#8 The Russians haven't lost. But they sure as hell ain't winning. It will be a long, grinding war and the side that loses the logistical battle will lose the war. Russia when they run out of stuff and Ukraine if the west loses interest in support.
Posted by DarthVader 2023-02-15 11:04||   2023-02-15 11:04|| Front Page Top

#9 The notion that wars are good for bidness is one more thing gummints worldwide are f*cking up now.
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-02-15 11:06||   2023-02-15 11:06|| Front Page Top

#10 If I took his order for the Beef Wellington, I wouldn't believe him.
Posted by swksvolFF 2023-02-15 12:15||   2023-02-15 12:15|| Front Page Top

#11 Beef Wellington vs Frutti De Mare in the WWE title match.
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-02-15 12:19||   2023-02-15 12:19|| Front Page Top

#12 Wasn't Milley one of the guys who thought the Afghan Army could hold out against the Taliban? Isn't that why he abandoned Bagram and left $80 billion worth of materiel for the Taliban?
Posted by Abu Uluque 2023-02-15 13:00||   2023-02-15 13:00|| Front Page Top

#13 I think eventually Milley will be taught at West Point as "how not to think."
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-02-15 13:01||   2023-02-15 13:01|| Front Page Top

#14 Milley, Army chief displayed 'pattern of behavior' defying authority: former senior military official

WILLFUL DISOBEDIENCE: CHARACTER TRAITS OF INDEPENDENT THINKERS IN THE MILITARY
Posted by Abu Uluque 2023-02-15 13:09||   2023-02-15 13:09|| Front Page Top

#15 
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-02-15 13:12||   2023-02-15 13:12|| Front Page Top

#16 Not sure the Modern War Institute: Willful Disobedience article, dated 2017, aged very well.
Posted by swksvolFF 2023-02-15 13:45||   2023-02-15 13:45|| Front Page Top

#17 Milley knows a thing or two about losing. Cf Afghanistan
Posted by Regular joe 2023-02-15 15:06||   2023-02-15 15:06|| Front Page Top

#18 What did he say? Can't understand him with that Chinese **** in his mouth.
Posted by Silentbrick 2023-02-15 16:05||   2023-02-15 16:05|| Front Page Top

#19 "General" Mark Milley is the very model of a 'political general'.
Posted by magpie 2023-02-15 17:51||   2023-02-15 17:51|| Front Page Top

#20 Well if he says Russia has lost, then I guess it’s all over, and Ukraine is finished.
Posted by Glenmore  2023-02-15 18:45||   2023-02-15 18:45|| Front Page Top

#21 I think Putin thought he'd get a short war. He figured the Ukrainians were just like Russians and would prefer to join up than be slaughtered. The west initially blinked (as expected) when Biden offered to help Z out of the country before Kiev fell. Only Z didn't leave and that galvanized the Ukrianians to fight. When they showed they'd fight the west grew a spine and went all in which I'm certain Putin didn't expect.

Z is corrupt garbage but he stood strong when he needed to. I don't think in his wildest dreams Putin expected or planned for that or he would have assassinated him a week before the invasion.
Posted by ruprecht 2023-02-15 21:27||   2023-02-15 21:27|| Front Page Top

#22  I don't think in his wildest dreams Putin expected or planned for that or he would have assassinated him a week before the invasion.

We had reports of failed attempts in the first week or two — but President Zelenskyy was in hiding away from his official office and his home, so they missed.
Posted by trailing wife 2023-02-15 21:53||   2023-02-15 21:53|| Front Page Top

#23 Well, at least Milly is willing to give a "reach around"!
Posted by Sgt.D.T 2023-02-15 23:19||   2023-02-15 23:19|| Front Page Top

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