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2022-08-05 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

US Contractor describes torture by mercenaries

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Posted by badanov 2022-08-05 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11125 views ] Top

#1 If only the US didn't have a track record of torturing prisoners, this would be less credible.

If only the CIA didn't have a track record of teaching torture to foreign militaries, this would be less credible.

Maybe someone can go and cross-reference the torture that the US teaches and see if any of these are the same. Anyone remember the list offhand?

Posted by Tiny Jeater6933 2022-08-05 07:19|| 2022-08-05 07:19|| Front Page Top

#2 If only Russians didn't have a history of torturing people in various ways, starving people to death and working them to death in artic conditions, they'd be a really nice people.

Posted by Silentbrick 2022-08-05 07:25|| 2022-08-05 07:25|| Front Page Top

#3 Every gummint employs goons. Torture is what goons do. You can debate all day long whether or not torture gets useful information. What you can't debate is, if you give gung-ho people spook cover and a vague portfolio, you will get torture and worse.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-08-05 07:27|| 2022-08-05 07:27|| Front Page Top

/\ What you can't debate is, if you give gung-ho people spook cover and a vague portfolio, you will get torture and worse.

Posted by Besoeker 2022-08-05 07:31|| 2022-08-05 07:31|| Front Page Top

#5 Good ol' KGB agitprop, coming from the government headed by a KGB thug.

The sad thing is there are people gullible enough to believe it.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-08-05 08:20|| 2022-08-05 08:20|| Front Page Top

#6 You think American goons don't do torture, Rob?

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-08-05 08:26|| 2022-08-05 08:26|| Front Page Top

#7 I dunno if it will open
Link works.

Torture is what goons do.
Not just goons.

Posted by Skidmark 2022-08-05 10:04|| 2022-08-05 10:04|| Front Page Top

#8 You think American goons don't do torture, Rob?

Hey, what's a little water boarding between friends?

Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-08-05 12:38|| 2022-08-05 12:38|| Front Page Top

#9 ...from the Urals or Siberia

Well, that narrows it down.

Posted by Mercutio 2022-08-05 12:54|| 2022-08-05 12:54|| Front Page Top

#10 Hey, what's a little water boarding between friends?

If water boarding were torture, leftists wouldn't have been doing it to each other in the streets in protest. Or they'd have been arrested.

Murcek, I take every accusation from Russia with a mountain of salt. In this particular case -- why would an American record a diary entry in Russian, let alone "phonetically perfect" Russian? Plus the questionable provenance of the phone.

And, finally, I haven't let my hatred of the Biden administration override the fact that Putin was, is, and always will be a worthless thug.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2022-08-05 17:19|| 2022-08-05 17:19|| Front Page Top

#11 Braggadocio?

My point with reference to Russian is that a non native speaker who has been properly trained in Russian will only be distinguished in his/her diction by their choice of words. Russian goes by word endings as syntax.

My problem with listening to spoken Russian is threefold.

1) The arcane rules of proper and accepted pronunciation of Russian.

2) Regional dialects.

3) Idioms.

I get by on 1) because the native speaker to some extent uses the phonetic means of speaking. The speaker in the recording did the same thing. He spoke confidently in phonetically perfect Russian, but not proper Russian. There is a huge difference. And that is why I concluded the recording was authentic.

A forth factor is the context of the speech. Casual conversion is much easier to understand if it is spoken personally, i.e. when the speaker isn't trying to state data or facts.

His use of the Russian 'I' was a dead give away. Russians don't use 'I' very often even in casual speech, and when they do they don't use the alphabetic pronunciation of the word. This guy was spitting the word 'I' out like he was chewing corn nuts.

Just my two kopeks.

Posted by badanov 2022-08-05 18:19|| 2022-08-05 18:19|| Front Page Top

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