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2022-05-18 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Nazis did not apologize, they were not afraid, but they could not look us in the eye. The enemy at Azovstal began to surrender
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Posted by badanov 2022-05-18 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11130 views ]  Top

#1 Azov Nazis "end their combat mission" - Western agitprop press

Just like how the Nazis ended their combat mission in May 1945

🤣
Posted by Neville Grumble6683 2022-05-18 06:17||   2022-05-18 06:17|| Front Page Top

#2 Thank you for this. Fascinating.

And yet, they believed in our mercy and knew for sure that they would not shoot their legs and gouge out their eyes. How did the "Azov" do with our prisoners.

Perhaps the audience here doesn't speak foreign languages but this sentence obviously should be translated as something like, "As 'Azov' have done to our soldiers taken captive"
Posted by Neville Grumble6683 2022-05-18 06:24||   2022-05-18 06:24|| Front Page Top

#3 Agitprop translations are always available
Posted by Frank G 2022-05-18 06:38||   2022-05-18 06:38|| Front Page Top

#4 Yes, a pity the translation is such crap. Dmitry Steshin is a gifted writer. His dispatches recall the great Russian modernist writer Isaac Babel's Red Cavalry series of short stories about the Russo-Polish War of 1920: beautiful, ironic, tragicomic and lyrical at the same time.
Posted by Phomoger Omusomp4275 2022-05-18 06:44||   2022-05-18 06:44|| Front Page Top

#5 ^ Red Cavalry is one of my favorites! Babel is sublime. One of the geniuses of the 20c. Speaking of dispatches from the front, have you read any of Tolstoy's stories about the Caucasus? His best stuff IMO
Posted by Neville Grumble6683 2022-05-18 06:49||   2022-05-18 06:49|| Front Page Top

#6 Perhaps the audience here doesn't speak foreign languages but this sentence obviously should be translated as something like, "As 'Azov' have done to our soldiers taken captive"

I edited that particular passage, adding the word 'do.' The English translation I edited is proper English. You just appear to think differently. That is your right.

Posted by badanov 2022-05-18 06:53||   2022-05-18 06:53|| Front Page Top

#7 @Neville

Absolutely! This Dmitry Steshin piece appears to be influenced by A Prisoner Of The Caucasus. Russians tell me it used to be taught to every Russian schoolchild; don't know whether it still is but Steshin appears to be at least in his forties.

Anyway from his style I'd guess he's probably read it many times. Steshin's obvious and amazing sympathy for the Azovtsi is definiteky Tolstoyan: see Tolstoy's wonderful portrait of his great Chechen hero Hadji Murat
Posted by Phomoger Omusomp4275 2022-05-18 07:00||   2022-05-18 07:00|| Front Page Top

#8 I reread the original Russian as: "As "Azov" did with our prisoners."

You were right.
Posted by badanov 2022-05-18 07:01||   2022-05-18 07:01|| Front Page Top

#9 Anyway from his style I'd guess he's probably read it many times. Steshin's obvious and amazing sympathy for the Azovtsi is definiteky Tolstoyan: see Tolstoy's wonderful portrait of his great Chechen hero Hadji Murat

Steshin expressed pity, not sympathy.
Posted by badanov 2022-05-18 07:04||   2022-05-18 07:04|| Front Page Top

#10 Hadji Murat is Tolstoy's best work. A concise version of War and Peace, without all his hazy pseudo-philosophy of history baggage.
Posted by Neville Grumble6683 2022-05-18 07:04||   2022-05-18 07:04|| Front Page Top

#11 Steshin expressed pity, not sympathy.

They both proceed from imaginative understanding of another hunan's plight, but "pity" is condescending. That's not accurate. Steshin never condescends. He views these flawed people as equals, fellow humans, the same way that Babel viewed the Poles or Tolstoy the Chechens. Even when he repeats a sneer lobbed at them by a Russian captor, Steshin makes it clear that the joke is on the would-be sarcastic jokester, not on the Azovtsi. That's Tolstoyan -- see Prince Andre's takedown of his fellow soldier who sneers at the Austrians after their humiliation at Schöngrabern
Posted by Phomoger Omusomp4275 2022-05-18 07:12||   2022-05-18 07:12|| Front Page Top

#12 Steshin makes it clear that the joke is on the would-be sarcastic jokester, not on the Azovtsi. That's Tolstoyan -- see Prince Andre's takedown of his fellow soldier who sneers at the Austrians after their humiliation at Schöngrabern

Agreed. The Russians and Ukrainians I know have this same attitude toward the war. They both think it's a tragic waste, basically an out of control family quarrel, pointless and brutal and caused ultimately by stupid outsiders stirring up trouble. All of them hate that stupid American bitch who plotted the Maidan coup in 2014.
Posted by Neville Grumble6683 2022-05-18 07:20||   2022-05-18 07:20|| Front Page Top

#13 From the film "Alien."

I could lie to you about your chances, but the have my sympathy.

You can be either without condescending.

I argue with you, but you appear to have a better understanding of the author.

Am I dealing with himself?
Posted by badanov 2022-05-18 07:29||   2022-05-18 07:29|| Front Page Top

#14 Am I dealing with himself?

This sentence is confusing. What is your native tongue? Try speaking that.
Posted by Neville Grumble6683 2022-05-18 07:33||   2022-05-18 07:33|| Front Page Top

#15 All of them hate that stupid American bitch who plotted the Maidan coup in 2014.

Victoria Nuland deserves a special place in hell. That cunt should be captured and put to work disabling the mines surrounding AzovStal.
Posted by Phomoger Omusomp4275 2022-05-18 07:36||   2022-05-18 07:36|| Front Page Top

#16 Am I dealing with Steshin?
Posted by badanov 2022-05-18 07:36||   2022-05-18 07:36|| Front Page Top

#17 dealing with

?? This isn't eBay. What are you trying to say, exactly?
Posted by Neville Grumble6683 2022-05-18 07:40||   2022-05-18 07:40|| Front Page Top

#18 He's really confused. He seems to have the idea that you're Dmitri Steshin...
Posted by Phomoger Omusomp4275 2022-05-18 07:42||   2022-05-18 07:42|| Front Page Top

#19 He's really confused. He seems to have the idea that you're Dmitri Steshin...

Correct.
Posted by badanov 2022-05-18 07:43||   2022-05-18 07:43|| Front Page Top

#20 😄

I'm actually the Ghost of Isaac Babel, sent here and across Twittter to atone for my sins
Posted by Neville Grumble6683 2022-05-18 07:46||   2022-05-18 07:46|| Front Page Top

#21 I'm actually the Ghost of Isaac Babel, sent here and across Twittter to atone for my sins

Interesting choice of words.
Posted by badanov 2022-05-18 07:49||   2022-05-18 07:49|| Front Page Top

#22 Why would Steshin waste his time here? He's probably working 14-hour days now. For the record I've never met him. I don't know if he speaks English (or Dutch or German or French).
Posted by Neville Grumble6683 2022-05-18 07:50||   2022-05-18 07:50|| Front Page Top

#23 Why would Steshin waste his time here? He's probably working 14-hour days now. For the record I've never met him. I don't know if he speaks English (or Dutch or German or French).

Just a shot in the dark.

My bad.
Posted by badanov 2022-05-18 07:51||   2022-05-18 07:51|| Front Page Top

#24 Victoria Nuland deserves a special place in hell. That cunt should be captured and put to work disabling the mines surrounding AzovStal.

^ this.

My bad.

But not Bad-enough
Posted by Neville Grumble6683 2022-05-18 07:54||   2022-05-18 07:54|| Front Page Top

#25 Victoria Nuland is part of that cabal of Washington neo-con idiots who have fucked up more countries and caused more death and destruction than anyone else alive. When I saw Biden reassembling the old 2014 Obama team in March 2021, I knew that things would go to hell again in Ukraine. Fuck that rancid bitch
Posted by Phomoger Omusomp4275 2022-05-18 08:03||   2022-05-18 08:03|| Front Page Top

#26  If anything is going to hell, it's the former Russian military that is daily getting it's rapist ass handed to it on a platter.
Posted by Omineling Forkbeard1962 2022-05-18 11:03||   2022-05-18 11:03|| Front Page Top

#27 "rapist ass"
"murderous ass"

Is that redneck patois, or are you one of those rump ranger types?
Posted by Phomoger Omusomp4275 2022-05-18 11:21||   2022-05-18 11:21|| Front Page Top

#28 We seem to be getting some civil, well reasoned and literate discourse from the Russians today instead of the usual vulgar trolls. Good job, guys. Interesting article.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-05-18 12:54||   2022-05-18 12:54|| Front Page Top

#29 'suis pas russe, moi
Posted by Phomoger Omusomp4275 2022-05-18 12:59||   2022-05-18 12:59|| Front Page Top

#30 civil, well reasoned discourse from the Russians today

Winning has that effect. "Magnanimous in victory" -- as attested by this beautiful piece by Steshin
Posted by Alistaire Elmurt2598 2022-05-18 17:37||   2022-05-18 17:37|| Front Page Top

#31 Why would Steshin waste his time here?

One never knows. A number of the commenters here seem to have close connections to events both current and historical.
Posted by SteveS 2022-05-18 18:54||   2022-05-18 18:54|| Front Page Top

#32 /\ Yes, many who gather here appear to have more than a passing interest in military affairs and geopolitics. One might suspect they make their living in such a manner.
Posted by Besoeker 2022-05-18 19:18||   2022-05-18 19:18|| Front Page Top

#33 What country is Victoria Nuland fucking up now? She seems awfully quiet of late. Looks like she and the other neocon bastards who kicked over this hornet's nest have moved on to their next disaster.... Somalia?
Posted by Neville Grumble6683 2022-05-18 19:26||   2022-05-18 19:26|| Front Page Top

#34 /\ You can rest assured her Klingon masters are keeping her occupied.
Posted by Besoeker 2022-05-18 19:46||   2022-05-18 19:46|| Front Page Top

#35  One might suspect they make their living in such a manner.

All sorts of interesting people wander in here. While some, no doubt, are typing dogs, others are Platonic ideals of their particular type. It makes for educational conversations.
Posted by trailing wife 2022-05-18 21:13||   2022-05-18 21:13|| Front Page Top

#36 Typing Dog would be a good Indian name.
"I am Ten Beers.
And I am Typing Dog"
Posted by SteveS 2022-05-18 21:33||   2022-05-18 21:33|| Front Page Top

#37 Nuland and the other neocon bastards who kicked over this hornet's nest have moved on to their next disaster.... Somalia?

Actually, yes. Funnily enough, the bitch just went to Africa to see if she can drag America into additional pointless wars over shitholes. Life imitates satire.

As if Iraq (with her boss Dick Cheney) and Ukraine (with her boss Obama) weren't enough disaster and devastation for one lifetime.
Posted by Thiting Tingle3348 2022-05-18 23:37||   2022-05-18 23:37|| Front Page Top

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