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2021-07-11 Afghanistan

Possibility of civil war in Afghanistan, sez Atta Muhammad Noor

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Posted by trailing wife 2021-07-11 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11134 views ] Top

#1 who gives a shit?

Posted by Chris 2021-07-11 00:13|| 2021-07-11 00:13|| Front Page Top

#2 We keep track of that stuff here, Chris. If you aren’t interested, feel free to skip over it.

Posted by trailing wife 2021-07-11 00:30|| 2021-07-11 00:30|| Front Page Top

#3 What do they call that they've now?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-07-11 03:32|| 2021-07-11 03:32|| Front Page Top

#4 ..I believe the term used in Chicago is gun violence.

Posted by Procopius2k 2021-07-11 07:04|| 2021-07-11 07:04|| Front Page Top

#5 and?

Oh I guess that statement will be followed by the request of money, arms, and men.

Posted by Retard Strength 2021-07-11 08:45|| 2021-07-11 08:45|| Front Page Top

#6 They have had a civil war in Afghanistan since the Soviet departure in 1988.

Posted by Gerthudion Whomoper3485 2021-07-11 10:20|| 2021-07-11 10:20|| Front Page Top

#7 You mean the tribal and clan based warfare they have engaged in since before Alexander the Great?

Yeah... what else is new?

Posted by DarthVader 2021-07-11 11:03|| 2021-07-11 11:03|| Front Page Top

#8 Possibility of civil war in Afghanistan, sez Atta Muhammad Noor

No shiat, al-Sherlock.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2021-07-11 12:48|| 2021-07-11 12:48|| Front Page Top

#9 My comment was meant to be more like this except it was worded while drunk last night TW. You can't help these ppl. We spent 20+ years and a shitload of money trying. Who gives a shit let them have what they evidently like.

Posted by Chris 2021-07-11 14:52|| 2021-07-11 14:52|| Front Page Top

#10 Peace is that brief moment when each player reloads.

Posted by Procopius2k 2021-07-11 17:19|| 2021-07-11 17:19|| Front Page Top

#11 ^^-- Stealing that!

Posted by CrazyFool 2021-07-11 17:44|| 2021-07-11 17:44|| Front Page Top

#12 I took #1 comment to be like the #9 explanation you had in #9. But I try not to post drunk.

Posted by Xyz 2021-07-11 20:18|| 2021-07-11 20:18|| Front Page Top

#13 My comment was meant to be more like this except it was worded while drunk last night TW.

My dear, I’m awful at noticing drunkenness even when I literally kept company while the other person drank copious amounts — we’ve run the experiment.

I agree that we cannot civilize cultures that are not suited to it. We ran that experiment for twenty years, trying to win hearts and minds with love instead of listening to Machiavelli — teaching them to fear the consequences of misbehaviour. But I also don’t want to indulge them with another opportunity to build up to another 9/11.

Back in 2011, Dave D. wrote the following:

The War on Islamic Terrorism:
What Are Our Options?

If you inventory the full range of options we have for dealing with Islamic terrorism, it turns out there aren't very many of them: fewer than a dozen in all. And they're all bad. Some come up short for the simple reason that they won't work; some because they'd require massive curtailment of our own civil liberties; and some because they would require a level of ruthlessness that most Americans would find repulsive.

Here are the basic options, arranged in roughly ascending order of savagery:

SURRENDER:

Islam's stated mission-- and to Muslims, their manifest destiny-- is to convert the entire world to Islam; we could dispense with this entire war just by becoming Muslims and being done with it. Bow our heads before their hateful god, and accept our fate.

APPEASEMENT:

We could try buying them off by giving them what they say they want: let them wipe Israel off the map and indulge their appetite for murdering Jews; set up shariah courts as a parallel legal system here in the US; teach Islam in our public schools; give special rights to Muslims in America; increase Muslim immigration; increase foreign aid to Muslim countries; open up a "dialog" with the Islamists to promote "mutual understanding"; try diplomacy; whatever. Be nice enough to them, and maybe they'll stop attacking us.

IGNORE THE ATTACKS:

We could try to just ignore atrocities like the Islamic attacks on 9/11 and in Madrid, London, Bali, Israel and Beslan, and chalk such things up as the necessary price for coexisting with Islam. They're violent savages, and we may as well get used to getting hit every so often.

ISOLATE OURSELVES:

We could try withdrawing from the rest of the world and its troubles, keeping our heads down and maintaining a low global profile. Stop the de facto exportation of American/Western culture, if that is what's driving them nuts. And whatever shitstorm breaks loose, just ignore it.

CRIMINAL PROSECUTION:

We could go back to the "Law Enforcement Approach": treating Islamic terrorism as a purely criminal matter just like we did during the Clinton administration, hunting down terrorists who attack us and prosecuting them for their crimes-- but only AFTER they've committed them. The Democratic Party has been making it increasingly clear that this is their preferred approach: the "civil liberties" crowd loves it, and it makes lots of work for lawyers and judges.

LIBERATION & REFORM:

We can do what we're doing right now in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is trying to see if Arab/Islamic society can be detoxified by introducing democratic self-governance. Maybe it can; maybe it can't. We'll see.

Frankly, the results don't look very promising so far; but barring some catastrophe we'll keep trying there at least so long as Bush is in office. After that, though, people are going to insist on coming to conclusions and I suspect many will conclude that liberation and reform of Islamic society is not going to quell the Islamic tendency toward violence.

DOMESTIC OPPRESSION:

We could try to prevent terrorist attacks by turning America into a police state, complete with intrusive government monitoring of all aspects of our lives and the suspension of habeus corpus. Anyone even suspected of terrorist activity or radical Islamic sympathies simply disappears in the middle of the night along with their entire family. People live in constant fear of the authorities.

NOTE: this is what the "Law Enforcement Approach" will morph into when it proves ineffective.

CONQUEST & SUBJUGATION:

We could invade Muslim countries, execute their political and religious leaders, outlaw Islam and bulldoze their mosques, and rule them all with an iron fist. Conquer them, rule them, and extirpate the Islamic menace by force.

INTIMIDATION / DETERRENCE:

We could respond to terrorist attacks on American soil with extravagently disproportionate retaliation against the cities and infrastructure of the Muslim world: kill a thousand of us, and we'll kill a million of you. Repeated often enough, and brutally enough, this might eventually deter them from further terrorist attacks.

EXPULSION & QUARANTINE:

We could outlaw Islam within the U.S. and expel all Muslims, citizens or not. Forbid entry into the U.S.-- even for brief visits-- to all Muslims regardless of their country of origin and to all nationals, regardless of religion, from countries that are predominantly Muslim. Seal the Canadian and Mexican borders tight with orders to shoot to kill, and NOT bother asking questions later.

EXTERMINATION:

We could end this 1,400 year struggle between Islam and the West once and for all, with a war that would last barely a half-hour: simply nuke the entire Islamic world and then let our descendents inherit the guilt from murdering a billion people.

Posted by trailing wife 2021-07-11 21:01|| 2021-07-11 21:01|| Front Page Top

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