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Gina McCarthy: Electric Vehicles Will Be Cheaper 'When More Are Sold'

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Posted by Fred 2021-04-25 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11139 views ] Top

#1 When build enough nuclear power plants that "electricity is too cheap to meter" -- that's when!

Posted by magpie 2021-04-25 00:07|| 2021-04-25 00:07|| Front Page Top

#2 electric vehicles will become cheaper "when more are sold"

Sure, sure. And when there's no more gasoline to tax, the slimy politicians will resort to taxing by the mile. And, of course, cars will have some nice, "high-tech" tracking devices in them as well. Oh, wait, already GPS in the cars...never mind.

Posted by Clem 2021-04-25 00:22|| 2021-04-25 00:22|| Front Page Top

#3 A government subsidized solution for a problem the market doesn't recognize as such.

Posted by badanov 2021-04-25 01:17|| 2021-04-25 01:17|| Front Page Top

#4 Assuming there is no shortage of raw materials like lithium, cobalt or rare earths.

Posted by Sliper Thrainter9397 2021-04-25 01:37|| 2021-04-25 01:37|| Front Page Top

#5 ^-- isn't that why they are called rare earths?

Posted by CrazyFool 2021-04-25 01:47|| 2021-04-25 01:47|| Front Page Top

#6 Never happen.

Posted by Dale 2021-04-25 04:10|| 2021-04-25 04:10|| Front Page Top

#7 ^Will happen - once there are a breakthrough in accumulator tech. Just too many advantages (none of which is AGW).

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-04-25 04:55|| 2021-04-25 04:55|| Front Page Top

#8
Now the BIG questions:

1. How many miles do you drive every 4 days? Because the Tree Huggers predict a typical 70-90 Mile typical 40kWh Battery pack will only need to recharge it every 4 days. I have 27,500+ miles on a 14 month old car. So I avg. about 60 miles a day or almost 168% the Tree Hugger predicted mileage.

2.How much Fossil Fuel, or NUKE Power will be needed to mine, process, manufacture and charge the batteries? The USA has and estimated 250 to 280 million vehicles in the United States. This includes family, commercial, Public Transportation and Heavy Equipment types.

3. Where is the needed extra KW power coming from?
If as predicted, a Family car needs 40KW every 3 to 4 days to recharge and there are about 210 Million US family vehicles. Then that is additional 8,400,000,000kW (8,400MW) of "clean" electrical energy that needs to be produced every 4 days in 2030.

BTW: That is NOT accounting for Power Transmission Line Energy Loss of usually 2% to 5% and a typical Nuke Power plant takes 7 to 8 years from announcement, to EPA challenges, to permitting, court battles to power up.

4. What about Public Transportation?
Would you recharge a City Bus or have to purchased extra buses for each route to accommodate the required recharge periods?

SUMMARY
I feel there a lot of questions, like these, being avoided.

Posted by NN2N1 2021-04-25 06:05|| 2021-04-25 06:05|| Front Page Top

#9 Electric vehicles will become cheaper "when more are sold"

That's just fucking brilliant - why you haven't got a Nobel Prize in Economics yet is a genuine mystery.

Posted by Raj 2021-04-25 08:45|| 2021-04-25 08:45|| Front Page Top

#10 The question being asked is "When you have that many EV's, where the hell is all the lithium going to come from?"

Posted by Mercutio 2021-04-25 09:39|| 2021-04-25 09:39|| Front Page Top

#11 ^ China.

Posted by San Fran Nan with a turban 2021-04-25 11:29|| 2021-04-25 11:29|| Front Page Top

#12 this is AOC level economic theory

Posted by Retard Strength 2021-04-25 11:31|| 2021-04-25 11:31|| Front Page Top

#13

Posted by M. Murcek 2021-04-25 11:58|| 2021-04-25 11:58|| Front Page Top

#14 once there are a breakthrough in accumulator tech

Nano-diamond self-charging batteries could disrupt energy as we know it

Posted by Skidmark 2021-04-25 12:16|| 2021-04-25 12:16|| Front Page Top

#15 I'm half surprised California doesn't say they have carcinogens or something.

Posted by Clem 2021-04-25 12:24|| 2021-04-25 12:24|| Front Page Top

#16 @ #9 - No doubt, Raj. An economic Boeotian she is. But, sadly, there are tens of millions just like her in this once great country.

Posted by Clem 2021-04-25 12:41|| 2021-04-25 12:41|| Front Page Top

#17 #14 In ibid.
Update, August 27, 2020: We have contacted NDB to clarify several of their claims in this article. At this stage we believe the power density claims may relate to the power delivered by the supercapacitor part of the cell, rather than to how much energy the carbon-14 diamond itself is capable of generating. If this is the case, we may be looking at a very slow trickle charge from the diamond into the supercapacitor, and a high power output from the supercapacitor.

The properties of supercapacitors are well known: high power density allowing fast charge and discharge, long lifespan, and low energy density – meaning they can store only a small amount of energy per volume.

Such a system – a trickle-charged supercapacitor – could be useful for sustained, low-power applications, and for emergency applications like Uninterruptible Power Supplies (UPS) that can slowly charge themselves for weeks or months between periods of discharge, but would not generate power anywhere near quickly enough for use in a long-range electric car or other applications requiring sustained high power outputs from a compact battery pack.

NDB speaks of low- and high-power versions of the cell in development, but until we see some output figures the claims are still hazy, and until we see some proof, they are of course just claims. We'll keep you updated.

Nevertheless - direct conversion of radioactivity into electricity: H. Beam Piper to the white courtesy phone!

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-04-25 12:47|| 2021-04-25 12:47|| Front Page Top

#18 Hydrogen is growing dramatically. That's the future. Not electric. Electrical systems maxed out now and major needs for upgrading.

Posted by Dale 2021-04-25 14:20|| 2021-04-25 14:20|| Front Page Top

#19 ^Containment

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2021-04-25 14:26|| 2021-04-25 14:26|| Front Page Top

#20 This is a two-part sales pitch. First, we have to go with electric vehicles to save the planet. Second, it won't hurt a bit. All those oil & gas workers will find new and better jobs as soon as they learn to code.

I disagree with the first part of the sales pitch, but the second part insults my limited intelligence.

Posted by Matt 2021-04-25 14:43|| 2021-04-25 14:43|| Front Page Top

#21 https://www.toyota.com/mirai/

Posted by 746 2021-04-25 16:49|| 2021-04-25 16:49|| Front Page Top

#22 Takes a lot of fossil-fuel energy for common methods to manufacture Hydrogen, Dale (unless you live in Iceland where they use geothermal turbines for the high-temperature separation power requirements.)

Posted by Mullah Richard 2021-04-25 16:55|| 2021-04-25 16:55|| Front Page Top

#23 Electric. Hydrogen. My money's on libtard power.

Posted by Dron66046 2021-04-25 17:02|| 2021-04-25 17:02|| Front Page Top

#24 Electric vehicles will be cheaper when prices are slashed. Slashed, I say!

Posted by Grampaw Phavish2227 2021-04-25 18:35|| 2021-04-25 18:35|| Front Page Top

#25 They'll make it up on volume.
Right?
Right??

Posted by Black Bart Panda9898 2021-04-25 19:53|| 2021-04-25 19:53|| Front Page Top

#26 ^ Like the watermelon salesman?

Posted by Matt 2021-04-25 20:01|| 2021-04-25 20:01|| Front Page Top

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