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2020-04-22 Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Trump says he's ordered Navy to destroy Iranian boats should they harass U.S. ships
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Posted by Frank G 2020-04-22 09:10|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11133 views ]  Top
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#1 Good.
Posted by DarthVader 2020-04-22 09:12||   2020-04-22 09:12|| Front Page Top

#2 Let's be smart about it and NOT pick up any survivors.
Posted by Besoeker 2020-04-22 09:14||   2020-04-22 09:14|| Front Page Top

#3 This shoot them policy is to protect sailors from the virus.
Posted by lord garth 2020-04-22 09:19||   2020-04-22 09:19|| Front Page Top

#4 We begin shooting in five minutes.
Posted by Raj 2020-04-22 09:22||   2020-04-22 09:22|| Front Page Top

#5 If the boats are hosed by CIWS there will be no survivors.
Posted by M. Murcek 2020-04-22 09:29||   2020-04-22 09:29|| Front Page Top

#6 Lots of Chinese designed, Iranian operated anti-ship missiles on the northern shore. All ships will be vulnerable once the shooting starts.
Posted by Gromolet Craiting5425 2020-04-22 09:40||   2020-04-22 09:40|| Front Page Top

#7 ^ #6: yah. Silkworm et al. Soon to be smoking rubble after the first batch lights off.
Posted by Mercutio 2020-04-22 10:54||   2020-04-22 10:54|| Front Page Top

#8 Is harassing ships an act of war?
Posted by Clem 2020-04-22 11:10||   2020-04-22 11:10|| Front Page Top

#9 Game of drones: Iran buys three pilotless bombers with 932-mile range three months after US airstrike killed General Soleimani in Baghdad
Posted by Skidmark 2020-04-22 11:10||   2020-04-22 11:10|| Front Page Top

#10 They don't have to shoot to sink the boats. A simple "Hard right rudder" at the right time would do it. That would turn the situation into a simple collision. A 9200 ton destroyer would barely feel a collision with an Iranian patrol boat.

Just as JFK and PT109
Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2020-04-22 11:32||   2020-04-22 11:32|| Front Page Top

#11 True but we don't want another USS Cole. Don't let em get within 100 yds
Posted by Frank G 2020-04-22 11:36||   2020-04-22 11:36|| Front Page Top

#12 So, we should also shoot down Russian fighter jets that come close to our planes patrolling the Med?
Posted by Clem 2020-04-22 11:43||   2020-04-22 11:43|| Front Page Top

#13 I don't recall Russian Officials leading "Death to America" chants?
Posted by Frank G 2020-04-22 11:49||   2020-04-22 11:49|| Front Page Top

#14 Russians haven't killed a single American in, well, forever.
IRGC otoh...
Posted by Lex 2020-04-22 11:52||   2020-04-22 11:52|| Front Page Top

#15 So?
Posted by Clem 2020-04-22 11:52||   2020-04-22 11:52|| Front Page Top

#16 I can remember Major Nicholson getting murdered in Potsdam in the 1980's. O.k., that's one.

Yes, I get #13 & #14's point, though. But why is harassment from one military foe different from another? China, too.
Posted by Clem 2020-04-22 11:54||   2020-04-22 11:54|| Front Page Top

#17 Fair enough. I see your point, Clem
Posted by Lex 2020-04-22 11:57||   2020-04-22 11:57|| Front Page Top

#18 . But why is harassment from one military foe different from another? China, too

You know why. It's swatting a fly with Iran. War with China and/or Russia, not so much. Should we treat Cuba the same as Russia? They're both Commies antagonistic to us? The answer is no.

We have the ability to make judgements. This isn't a teacher relying on zero tolerance to expel a kid who makes a paper gun cutout to color the same as a kid who kills another student
Posted by Frank G 2020-04-22 12:06||   2020-04-22 12:06|| Front Page Top

#19 And 99.9% of it is just Trump talking tough. I don't think Iran is dumb enough to poke any hornet's nest, at least via 'traditional' military methods.
Posted by Clem 2020-04-22 12:08||   2020-04-22 12:08|| Front Page Top

#20 They just did this week, closing to within 10's of yards. Now that he's laid it out, they'll have to edge up to show they aren't cowards who can be intimidated. Some will have to die for the Ayatollah's PR
Posted by Frank G 2020-04-22 12:15||   2020-04-22 12:15|| Front Page Top

#21 The Iranian boats could contain high explosives. IIRC the speed boat that attacked the USS Cole may have had the explosives arranged in an equivalent of a shape charge.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2020-04-22 12:25||   2020-04-22 12:25|| Front Page Top

#22 Frank G's comment at #11 is the key point here. These people are nuts enough to send suicide boats into a US Navy ship and we can't take a chance on that. Russians and Chinese aren't that crazy.

As for the survivors, Iranians might want to discover what it's like for their people to be held hostage.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2020-04-22 12:27||   2020-04-22 12:27|| Front Page Top

#23 But I'm all out of popcorn and I can't go shopping !
Posted by Dron66046 2020-04-22 13:04||   2020-04-22 13:04|| Front Page Top

#24 That's on you, Dron. Popcorn is cheap and easy to store for long periods. You should always have a good supply of it on hand.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2020-04-22 13:17||   2020-04-22 13:17|| Front Page Top

#25 The same goes for whiskey.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2020-04-22 13:18||   2020-04-22 13:18|| Front Page Top

#26 Bevmo has takeout and delivery. Just saying

Mr. Jameson's visited yesterday
Posted by Frank G 2020-04-22 13:29||   2020-04-22 13:29|| Front Page Top

#27 Now that you mention it... [runs of to store room]

[rushes back, satisfied]

Two and a half bottles of Absolut, one of JD, and an old fancy thingy half full of absinthe. And rum. Some dregs of local rum too. Naah, I'll be fine. I think.
Posted by Dron66046 2020-04-22 13:48||   2020-04-22 13:48|| Front Page Top

#28  Air combat losses betwen the USSR and USA
Posted by 3dc 2020-04-22 13:51||   2020-04-22 13:51|| Front Page Top

#29 IMO the Iranian know Trump is not fooling around like Obama with his red lines that were never enforced.
Posted by JohnQC 2020-04-22 13:52||   2020-04-22 13:52|| Front Page Top

#30 and post WW-II air to air combat losses by all
here
Posted by 3dc 2020-04-22 13:59||   2020-04-22 13:59|| Front Page Top

#31 Wow, thx 3dc
Posted by Lex 2020-04-22 14:01||   2020-04-22 14:01|| Front Page Top

#32 So that's it for combat losses - what about civilian planes shot down by Russia - like the one over Sakalin island with a US Congressman aboard? And the Dutch airliner in the Ukraine - Russia way ahead in that category.
Posted by Mercutio 2020-04-22 14:29||   2020-04-22 14:29|| Front Page Top

#33 ^Lets start a war with Russia - make Xi happy.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-22 14:33||   2020-04-22 14:33|| Front Page Top

#34 KAL 007 did pop into my mind. I also seem to recall some strange occurrences with the KAL flight being either off course or did not identify itself...can't remember. But, still, kind of hard to not recognize a civilian aircraft. That Congressman, wasn't he on some mission? A member of the John Birch Society?
Posted by Clem 2020-04-22 14:36||   2020-04-22 14:36|| Front Page Top

#35 #34 Iran Air Flight 655
USS Vincennes mistaken Airbus A300 for F-14.

List of airliner shootdown incidents

Please note "1973 Libyan Arab Airlines Flight 114" in the ibid
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-22 14:52||   2020-04-22 14:52|| Front Page Top

#36 Nonetheless we should dial it back with Russia and find common cause with them against China.
Posted by Lex 2020-04-22 15:02||   2020-04-22 15:02|| Front Page Top

#37 /\ I can dig that.

USS Vincennes - Horrible tragedy. I believe the US paid restitution for that (FWIW).
Posted by Clem 2020-04-22 15:05||   2020-04-22 15:05|| Front Page Top

#38 ^Just click the second link.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-04-22 15:07||   2020-04-22 15:07|| Front Page Top

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