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2019-02-13 The Grand Turk

Turkey detains over 700 over alleged links to coup bid

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Posted by trailing wife 2019-02-13 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [1762 views ] Top
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1 TW: Have you seen any sort of a decent web reference where this guy, Gulen, is responsible for some terrible insurrection that Erdogan keeps blaming and imprisoning the populace for?

I mean, is there really a terrible insurection?

Posted by Fairbanks 2019-02-13 00:32|| 2019-02-13 00:32|| Front Page Top

2 As I said yesterday, Recep can be a reincarnation of Joshep Stalin - who killed more Russians than Germans did.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2019-02-13 01:12|| 2019-02-13 01:12|| Front Page Top

3 He's going to run out of Turks.

Posted by Whiskey Mike 2019-02-13 07:55|| 2019-02-13 07:55|| Front Page Top

4 TW: Have you seen any sort of a decent web reference where this guy, Gulen, is responsible for some terrible insurrection that Erdogan keeps blaming and imprisoning the populace for?

Bluntly, Fairbanks, no.

President, formerly Prime Minister Erdogan has been purging Turkey of competitors at an accelerating pace since about 2007/2008. First the secular generals who might overthrow him to maintain Ataturkian secularism (search Sledgehammer and Ergenekon), then in 2013 he blamed Gulenists throughout the justice system for implicating his sons as participants in a huge corruption scandal. Whether there was an actual attempt in 2016 by a few low-level army officers to remove President Erdogan and restore secularity, or whether it was a classical fake plot to give Erdogan an excuse to deepen and broaden the purge that had been accelerating for a decade will perhaps one day be revealed, but as it followed on the resumption of Turkey’s war against the Kurds/the Kurdish revolt, I personally think it was an excuse to do what was already planned.

To be honest, Fethullen Gulen and Mr. Erdogan had been running together in harness for much of Erdogan’s political career. Both desire the establishment of a neo-Ottoman sultanate in Turkey with influence throughout the world. Erdogan has worked through Turkish politics to achieve the re-Islamization of Turkish society, while Mr. Gulen had already been working for a generation on an Islamicist march through the institutions via a chain of private schools throughout Turkey and the world — supported by donations from Gulen’s followers and school alumni, the schools follow the Jesuit model of providing a very strong secular education, but with a strongly Turkey-oriented, Sunni Muslim gloss. While Mr, Erdogan has striven to accomplish through a mix of democratic voting and totalitarian control the re-establishment of the sultanate in his lifetime, the Gulenists have been content to slowly convert the entire world via education and the increasing control of their graduates throughout society.

Posted by trailing wife 2019-02-13 19:14|| 2019-02-13 19:14|| Front Page Top

5 Thanks TW for your excellent analysis and the references, in what seems to be a much more complicated situation than just a simple Muslim cleric living in Pennsylvania (I've never heard about this stuff before).

It seems that any "dichotomy" here may be more of personalities than something else - I need to go through your references.

Posted by Fairbanks 2019-02-13 22:29|| 2019-02-13 22:29|| Front Page Top

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