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2011-10-18 Home Front: Politix
Ron Paul's Economic Plan: Cut 5 Cabinet Agencies
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Posted by Fred 2011-10-18 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11129 views ]  Top

#1 Problem with Ron Paul, in my book, is that he wants to cut defense even more. And his 'impeachment for Obama' talk after that traitor was dronezapped.

And I don't think he can win. The media already has him palin'ed as a wacko.
Posted by CrazyFool 2011-10-18 00:33||   2011-10-18 00:33|| Front Page Top

#2 I have a seven year old nephew who like Paul is a Libertarian. Unlike Paul, his ethical, moral and political sense is more mature and grows each day. He has learned to share with his classmates and help people in need.
Posted by Bigfoot Jeter8554 2011-10-18 01:03||   2011-10-18 01:03|| Front Page Top

#3 The most sanity I have seen pass his lips.
Posted by newc 2011-10-18 01:14||   2011-10-18 01:14|| Front Page Top

#4 About international politics Ron Paul's message is very simple: if you ignore the wolf he will ignore you. I don't think it works and if were an AZmerican I would prefer higher taxes to an iranian nuclear mushromm over my city.

My other problem with him is that I already caught him lying (about the Civil War).
Posted by JFM 2011-10-18 04:17||   2011-10-18 04:17|| Front Page Top

#5 while pledging to limit his presidential salary to $39,336, which his campaign says is "approximately equal to the median personal income of the American worker." The current pay rate for commander in chief is $400,000 a year.

From memories dating to Nixon the POTUS is expected to meet White House's expenses from his salary. Once he has paid them and the income tax he is not making _that_ much money. So this sounds as unadulteratzed demagoguery.
Posted by JFM 2011-10-18 04:22||   2011-10-18 04:22|| Front Page Top

#6 I was a libertarian---when I was 15!
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2011-10-18 05:37||   2011-10-18 05:37|| Front Page Top

#7 When it comes to Social Security, Medicare and other entitlement programs, Mr. Paul wants a system that "honors our promise to our seniors and veterans, while allowing young workers to opt out."

Yep, I know SCOTUS ruled that SS was 'legal' under the commerce clause [sort of like Scott and Plessey], that much abused entry employed to create an overpowering and authoritarian Big Brother, but it should have and still should be authorized by Constitutional Amendment. Won't happen because such a vehicle would also be the means to restrict the program to old age pension, limit eligibility to only those who paid in, and deny Congress the ability to play Hollyweird bookkeeping with the collections.
Posted by Procopius2k 2011-10-18 07:37||   2011-10-18 07:37|| Front Page Top

#8 I like the concept of cutting 5 cabinet agencies, but the devil is in the details. To start with, federal employees have job security, so if their agency is cut, right now they must be transferred to some job of equal status and seniority. So this has to end first.

That is, the federal government must be able to fire unneeded employees. Hundreds of thousands of them.

Second, there are a ton of federal enabling laws and judicial decisions that have taken power away from the states for these agencies, so there will be a sudden rush of authority and responsibility. That is, right now they are fully funded through deficit spending; after their transfer, they won't be.

Third, there are a lot more agencies than these five that will need to be consolidated, and a hellacious amount of federal power that will have to be stripped from many others.

This is the reason I have advocated a 2nd Court of the United States, because this is far more than five slash-and-burn presidents in a row could accomplish, with a fully supportive congress.

A 2nd Court, mirrored after the US senate, would be totally controlled by state judges responsive to their state legislatures, who would appoint them. They would be, in effect, a permanent federal government pruning mechanism.

An analogy would be a permanent, standing constitutional convention, but without the risks inherent in such a convention, as they could not make law, only thwart new or old laws, regulations, executive orders and judicial precedents.

Importantly, this would re-balance a system that was at risk of imbalance from the start, and thrown very out of balance with the 17th amendment.
Posted by Anonymoose 2011-10-18 09:27||   2011-10-18 09:27|| Front Page Top

#9 Paul is a LOON.

Sorry but his ideas would be worse than even the Feds malfeasance.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2011-10-18 12:03||   2011-10-18 12:03|| Front Page Top

#10 Let's see, the Energy Department was created in 1977? Wasn't that jimmuh carter who did that? 'Nuff said.

And HUD, created in 1965 by good old Lyndon Johnson. A lot of people here at Rantburg claim that jimmuh was the worst president, evar. But I think that's because they don't remember LBJ and his so called Great Society guns and butter policies. I mean, why was he fighting communism in Vietnam when he was basically a communist himself?
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2011-10-18 12:08||   2011-10-18 12:08|| Front Page Top

#11 Still...
LBJ treated animals right....

showed scars on his fat belly without being asked...
What more could you ask for in a Prez?
Posted by Water Modem 2011-10-18 12:25||   2011-10-18 12:25|| Front Page Top

#12 Yeah, that was after his gall bladder surgery. And there were people who maintained that beagles don't mind being hauled up by their ears. Still, I was glad to see him go back to Texas in 1969.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2011-10-18 12:44||   2011-10-18 12:44|| Front Page Top

#13  well... the Duke of Duval County was always the support behind LBJ. It never hurts to have even a minor "slave/serf" holding fascist covering your ass
Posted by Water Modem 2011-10-18 13:12||   2011-10-18 13:12|| Front Page Top

#14 We are debt slaves thanks to Washington big spending ways.
Posted by JohnQC 2011-10-18 13:42||   2011-10-18 13:42|| Front Page Top

#15 Thanks for that link to the Duke of Duval County. The guy makes JR Ewing look like a piker.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2011-10-18 14:09||   2011-10-18 14:09|| Front Page Top

#16 What exactly does the Bureau of Indian Affairs do that couldn't be accomplished by other Bureaus?

And the Education Department? Since our educational system seems to constantly be in danger perhaps having Federal oversite has been a negative factor.
Posted by rjschwarz 2011-10-18 14:47||   2011-10-18 14:47|| Front Page Top

#17 examine every piece of legislation from the standpoint of the constitution, and if it wasn't within the original structure and intent - rescind it. That used to be and IIRC still is one of Congress's many jobs that it refuses to do.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2011-10-18 15:04||   2011-10-18 15:04|| Front Page Top

#18 Paraphrasing Jerry Pournelle on the core of this issue: For everyone entitled to receive government benefits there must be those required to pay, and a tax collector who has the right to collect, by force if necessary. That almost never gets debated in discussions of citizen rights and entitlements.
Has any candidate EVER mentioned this?
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2011-10-18 15:08||   2011-10-18 15:08|| Front Page Top

#19 I have a friend who got kicked in the ass by Johnson. Long story.
Posted by Deacon Blues 2011-10-18 19:15||   2011-10-18 19:15|| Front Page Top

#20 He kicked us all in the ass, it was called the Great Society.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2011-10-18 19:42||   2011-10-18 19:42|| Front Page Top

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