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2010-09-01 Home Front: WoT
BREAKING NEWS: Gunman Holds 1 Hostage in Maryland--UPDATED: It's Over
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Posted by badanov 2010-09-01 14:58|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11138 views ]  Top

#1 I think this is the first instance of a lone nut terrorist having his own domain. (No, I won't link it, and apparently it's collapsed under the load anyway).

AoSHQ has a thread on the incident, with quotes from his manifesto in the comments.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2010-09-01 15:47||   2010-09-01 15:47|| Front Page Top

#2 Some reports have him an environmental wacko, either objecting to the show "Whale Wars", or:

"A note posted online July 18 issues a list of demands to the Discovery Channel, saying the station "MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet." It lists 11 demands about airing shows that would promote curbing the planet's population growth, finding solutions for global warming and dismantling "the dangerous US world economy."

"All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions," it reads.

"In those programs' places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it."

The manifesto was published on savetheplanetprotest.com. The site is registered to James Lee, who gave a post office box in Canada as his address. There is no confirmation from authorities that the Web site has anything to do with the current situation at Discovery."
Posted by  Anonymoose 2010-09-01 15:49||   2010-09-01 15:49|| Front Page Top

#3 Does the VA tech killer have a brother? Whackadoodle. I'd like a time machine to take us back to 1900 population, but mother nature will ultimately decide.
Posted by Entertaining Prose 2010-09-01 15:57||   2010-09-01 15:57|| Front Page Top

#4 sounds like an eco-terrorist to me...
Posted by IG-88 2010-09-01 15:58||   2010-09-01 15:58|| Front Page Top

#5 or human nature. dun dun dun.
Posted by Entertaining Prose 2010-09-01 16:00||   2010-09-01 16:00|| Front Page Top

#6 Looks like he enjoyed the civilization he hated a little too much.

Here is an idea, tubby. Free of charge.

Lead by example. Stop eating and render yourself carbon neutral.
Posted by DarthVader 2010-09-01 16:06||   2010-09-01 16:06|| Front Page Top

#7 Someone has already noted that the nut frequently refers to Thomas Malthus, and that rang a bell.

John P. Holdren is adviser to Obama for Science and Technology, Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, and Co-Chair of the PresidentÂ’s Council of Advisers on Science and Technology (PCAST).

A search of Holdren's book, ECOSCIENCE: POPULATION, & RESOURCES & ENVIRONMENT reveals that Holdren cited "Thomas Malthus" writings about overpopulation on pages: 379, 731, 741, 742, 743, 791, 792, 797, 800, 801, 878, 889, 898, 950, 1017.

So apparently, the two of them have something in common.
Posted by  Anonymoose 2010-09-01 16:25||   2010-09-01 16:25|| Front Page Top

#8 Anonymoose: That was the link that I found, that was inoperative, and that I didn't want to link to.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2010-09-01 16:32||   2010-09-01 16:32|| Front Page Top

#9 A different official, who spoke on condition of anonymity for the same reason, said Lee previously protested outside the building, where he was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct in February 2008, according to court records.

Police reports indicate he paid homeless people to join his protest and carry signs outside the building. He gave one individual $1,000 for what he considered a prize winning essay.

At one point, a crowd of more than 100 people gathered around Lee, who referred to money as "just trash" and began throwing fistfuls of it into the air.

At the trial, The Gazette of Montgomery County reported, he said he began working to save the planet after being laid off from his job in San Diego. He said he was inspired by "Ishmael," a novel by environmentalist Daniel Quinn and by former Vice President Al Gore's documentary "An Inconvenient Truth."
Posted by tu3031 2010-09-01 16:44||   2010-09-01 16:44|| Front Page Top

#10 His brother-in-law said on Fox that he was a dangerous nut case.
Posted by Water Modem 2010-09-01 16:59||   2010-09-01 16:59|| Front Page Top

#11 Anonymoose, I hope you'r joking about Malthus quotes indicating any kind of actual affinity between Holdren and this nutbag. Malthus is one of the most widely cited people in western scholarship and anyone at all who has an interest in population issues would be familiar with him.
Posted by Maggie Flater4451 2010-09-01 17:05||   2010-09-01 17:05|| Front Page Top

#12 CNN sez suspect shot and in custody, 3 hostages safe.
Posted by tu3031 2010-09-01 17:12||   2010-09-01 17:12|| Front Page Top

#13  "Ishmael," a novel by environmentalist Daniel Quinn and by former Vice President Al Gore's documentary "An Inconvenient Truth.

So he enjoys comedies.
Posted by badanov 2010-09-01 17:14|| http://www.freefirezone.org  2010-09-01 17:14|| Front Page Top

#14 Maybe pissed off Discovery had no specials on the threat of ManBearPig.
Posted by tu3031 2010-09-01 17:25||   2010-09-01 17:25|| Front Page Top

#15 I blame Al Gore's extreme ideology and eliminationist rhetoric, and I call upon him to renounce his anti-human pronouncements before other unstable people are inspired to commit more acts of violence.

[crickets]
Posted by Mike 2010-09-01 17:33||   2010-09-01 17:33|| Front Page Top

#16 funny how these guys never take themselves out in their desire to reduce the population.
Posted by Martini 2010-09-01 17:36||   2010-09-01 17:36|| Front Page Top

#17  funny how these guys never take themselves out in their desire to reduce the population.

That would require effort and logic, qualities in short supply with environMENTALists...
Posted by badanov 2010-09-01 17:44|| http://www.freefirezone.org  2010-09-01 17:44|| Front Page Top

#18 His Manifesto which Drudge Report has a link to. Sounds stragely like the agenda for Obama's EPA.

The Discovery Channel MUST broadcast to the world their commitment to save the planet and to do the following IMMEDIATELY:

1. The Discovery Channel and it's affiliate channels MUST have daily television programs at prime time slots based on Daniel Quinn's "My Ishmael" pages 207-212 where solutions to save the planet would be done in the same way as the Industrial Revolution was done, by people building on each other's inventive ideas. Focus must be given on how people can live WITHOUT giving birth to more filthy human children since those new additions continue pollution and are pollution. A game show format contest would be in order. Perhaps also forums of leading scientists who understand and agree with the
Malthus-Darwin science and the problem of human overpopulation. Do both. Do all until something
WORKS and the natural world starts improving and human civilization building STOPS and is
reversed! MAKE IT INTERESTING SO PEOPLE WATCH AND APPLY SOLUTIONS!!!!
2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs' places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.
3. All programs promoting War and the technology behind those must cease. There is no sense in
advertising weapons of mass-destruction anymore. Instead, talk about ways to disassemble civilization and concentrate the message in finding SOLUTIONS to solving global military mechanized conflict.
Again, solutions solutions instead of just repeating the same old wars with newer weapons. Also, keep out the fraudulent peace movements. They are liars and fakes and had no real intention of ending the wars. ALL OF THEM ARE FAKE! On one hand, they claim they want the wars to end, on the other, they are demanding the human population increase. World War II had 2 Billion humans and after that war, the people decided that tripling the population would assure peace. WTF??? STUPIDITY! MORE HUMANS EQUALS MORE WAR!
4. Civilization must be exposed for the filth it is. That, and all its disgusting religious-cultural roots and greed. Broadcast this message until the pollution in the planet is reversed and the human population goes down! This is your obligation. If you think it isn't, then get hell off the planet! Breathe Oil! It is the
moral obligation of everyone living otherwise what good are they??
5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies. FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)
6. Find solutions for Global Warming, Automotive pollution, International Trade, factory pollution, and the whole blasted human economy. Find ways so that people don't build more housing pollution which destroys the environment to make way for more human filth! Find solutions so that people stop breeding as well as stopping using Oil in order to REVERSE Global warming and the destruction of the planet!
7. Develop shows that mention the Malthusian sciences about how food production leads to the
overpopulation of the Human race. Talk about Evolution. Talk about Malthus and Darwin until it sinks into the stupid people's brains until they get it!!
8. Saving the Planet means saving what's left of the non-human Wildlife by decreasing the Human
population. That means stopping the human race from breeding any more disgusting human babies!
You're the media, you can reach enough people. It's your resposibility because you reach so many
minds!!!
9. Develop shows that will correct and dismantle the dangerous US world economy. Find solutions for their disasterous Ponzi-Casino economy before they take the world to another nuclear war.
10. Stop all shows glorifying human birthing on all your channels and on TLC. Stop Future Weapons
shows or replace the dialogue condemning the people behind these developments so that the shows become exposes rather than advertisements of Arms sales and development!
11. You're also going to find solutions for unemployment and housing. All these unemployed people makes me think the US is headed toward more war.
Humans are the most destructive, filthy, pollutive creatures around and are wrecking what's left of the planet with their false morals and breeding culture. For every human born, ACRES of wildlife forests must be turned into farmland in order to feed that new
addition over the course of 60 to 100 YEARS of that new human's lifespan! THIS IS AT THE
EXPENSE OF THE FOREST CREATURES!!!! All human procreation and farming must cease!
It is the responsiblity of everyone to preserve the planet they live on by not breeding any more children who will continue their filthy practices. Children represent FUTURE catastrophic pollution whereas their parents are current pollution. NO MORE BABIES! Population growth is a real crisis. Even one child born in the US will use 30 to a thousand times more resources than a Third World child. It's like a
couple are having 30 babies even though it's just one! If the US goes in this direction maybe other countries will too!
Also, war must be halted. Not because it's morally wrong, but because of the catastrophic environmental damage modern weapons cause to other creatures. FIND SOLUTIONS JUST LIKE THE BOOK SAYS!
Humans are supposed to be inventive. INVENT, DAMN YOU!!
The world needs TV shows that DEVELOP solutions to the problems that humans are causing, not
stupify the people into destroying the world. Not encouraging them to breed more environmentally harmful humans.
Saving the environment and the remaning species diversity of the planet is now your mindset. Nothing is more important than saving them. The Lions, Tigers, Giraffes, Elephants, Froggies, Turtles, Apes, Raccoons, Beetles, Ants, Sharks, Bears, and, of course, the Squirrels.

The humans? The planet does not need humans.

You MUST KNOW the human population is behind all the pollution and problems in the world, and
YET you encourage the exact opposite instead of discouraging human growth and procreation. Surely
you MUST ALREADY KNOW this!
I want Discovery Communications to broadcast on their channels to the world their new program lineup and I want proof they are doing so. I want the new shows started by asking the public for inventive solution ideas to save the planet and the remaining wildlife on it.
These are the demands and sayings of Lee.
Posted by Jainter Trotsky9973 2010-09-01 17:50||   2010-09-01 17:50|| Front Page Top

#19 Malthus is one of the most widely cited people in western scholarship and anyone at all who has an interest in population issues would be familiar with him.

Malthus was the guy who, back in the 1800s said we were all doomed. Kinda sorta the Paul Ehrlich of his day. Certainly a famous name, but it is a big leap from there to being one of the most widely cited people in Western scholarship.

And yes, Holdren is a nutjob, even without mention of Malthus.
Posted by SteveS 2010-09-01 17:50||   2010-09-01 17:50|| Front Page Top

#20 "he's dead, Jim"
Posted by Frank G 2010-09-01 17:53||   2010-09-01 17:53|| Front Page Top

#21 Yes, it appears he's done his part to protect the planet.
Thanks, asshole...and the Silver Springs PD.
Posted by tu3031 2010-09-01 18:00||   2010-09-01 18:00|| Front Page Top

#22 I'm dumbfounded as to how this nutjob slipped through Janet Napolitano's task force on domestic terrorism. Oh, wait... no I'm not.
Posted by eltoroverde 2010-09-01 18:04||   2010-09-01 18:04|| Front Page Top

#23 Rf #18, Jainter

What? No Pony?

Sounds like he's bucking for a job at the EPA.
Posted by CrazyFool 2010-09-01 18:06||   2010-09-01 18:06|| Front Page Top

#24 I down, 6,999,999,999 to go.
Posted by Pstanley 2010-09-01 18:10||   2010-09-01 18:10|| Front Page Top

#25 No, Steve, Malthus was not some guy who said we were all doomed and he was nothing like Paul Ehrlich.
He was an Anglican clergyman who opposed the pie-in-the-sky utopianism of his day, a utopianism that was one of the bedrocks of Marxism. Malthus did not advocate war and pestilence as a check on population, he merely stated that they were an inevitable outcome of over-population.
Marx and Engels condemned Malthus. Engels called Malthus's hypothesis "...the crudest, most barbarous theory that ever existed, a system of despair which struck down all those beautiful phrases about love thy neighbour and world citizenship."
Malthus comes up in any discussion of population or environmental policy and was a strong influence on Keynsian economics among many other ideas, so I will stand by my statement that he was one of the most important intellectuals of the modern era.
Posted by Maggie Flater4451 2010-09-01 18:20||   2010-09-01 18:20|| Front Page Top

#26 Will the MSM report "Left-wing radical environmental extremist terrorizes hostages...? Will Katie Couric, Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, and Chris Matthews mention this? Somehow I doubt it. Instead they will probably call for an investigation of the police who did the shooting. And they will call for a ban on guns. I know that is not rational and doesn't reflect the reality of the story. That never bothered them in the past.
Posted by JohnQC 2010-09-01 18:42||   2010-09-01 18:42|| Front Page Top

#27 If he was just upset at the channel's programming he should have gone to the History Channel instead because of that abomination of a program "Chasing Mummies".
Posted by Penguin 2010-09-01 18:43||   2010-09-01 18:43|| Front Page Top

#28 Malthus did not advocate war and pestilence as a check on population, he merely stated that they were an inevitable outcome of over-population.


True true.
Posted by Entertaining Prose 2010-09-01 18:45||   2010-09-01 18:45|| Front Page Top

#29 Maggie Flater4451: There is a big difference in appreciating the value of Malthus theories in context to their time, however, both this nut and Holdren were of a similar mindset to Ehrlich. That *government* should force people to not have children through sterilization and fertility reduction.

The extreme of this was seen at a "scientific" meeting in Texas, where a "world renowned ecologist", Dr. Eric R. Pianka proposed that a massive plague of airborne ebola, wiping out 90% of humanity, would be a *good* thing, and his colleagues gave him a standing ovation.

Later he received more applause from a banquet hall filled with more than 400 people when the president of the Texas Academy of Science presented him with a plaque naming him 2006 Distinguished Texas Scientist.

This is wrong, and evil by the purest, most unequivocal definition of evil. And such people are in the Obama administration.
Posted by  Anonymoose 2010-09-01 20:18||   2010-09-01 20:18|| Front Page Top

#30 Dr. Eric R. Pianka proposed that a massive plague of airborne ebola, wiping out 90% of humanity, would be a *good* thing, and his colleagues gave him a standing ovation.

It would be a good thing as long as he and his murderous collegues are not part of the 90 percent, I s'pect.
Posted by badanov 2010-09-01 20:24|| http://www.freefirezone.org  2010-09-01 20:24|| Front Page Top

#31 Well at least he got his wish of one less parasitic human being on the planet. Go green!
Posted by Sgt. D.T. 2010-09-01 22:09||   2010-09-01 22:09|| Front Page Top

#32 at a "scientific" meeting in Texas

Uh. Oh. Any connection to that scary biological weapon lab I may have heard about near, Galveston, Texas? Uh oh.
Posted by Entertaining Prose 2010-09-01 22:18||   2010-09-01 22:18|| Front Page Top

#33 Pardon, meant any ties to Texas A&M University, a US Department of Homeland Security biodefense Center of Excellence.
?
Posted by Entertaining Prose 2010-09-01 22:24||   2010-09-01 22:24|| Front Page Top

#34 I think the scary thing was that when this was leaked, those involved expressed outrage, not at what they were alleged to have said, but at the leak. That one of their number would have the audacity to let the hoi polloi know what they were honestly thinking.

This is about the closest thing to the pride, arrogance, and viciousness one would expect from fallen angels, not human beings.

No surprise, I suppose, in that Obama calls himself the "light bringer". That was Lucifer's job, in fact, his very name. "Light bearer".
Posted by  Anonymoose 2010-09-01 22:31||   2010-09-01 22:31|| Front Page Top

#35 "light bringer"

Oh boy. Time to move to a remote area of say, Bornea, and whittle sticks.
Posted by Entertaining Prose 2010-09-01 22:43||   2010-09-01 22:43|| Front Page Top

#36 Borneo. Damn it all, Oblahblah is Luciferian alright.
Posted by Entertaining Prose 2010-09-01 22:46||   2010-09-01 22:46|| Front Page Top

#37 Nah, Oblahblah isn't Lucifer. Lucifer wouldn't look like such a dork when riding a bike, having to deal with a doorway arch while brandishing an umbrella, or dealing with a teleprompter malfunction.

Besides, do you really think Lucifer would be so weapons-grade stooopid as to hire Gibbsy as a press secretary?
Posted by Swamp Blondie 2010-09-01 22:57||   2010-09-01 22:57|| Front Page Top

#38 Ha. Yea, Oblablah isn't lucifer, more like Mr. Bean, who despite being absent minded, left a huge wake of destruction behind him every move he made.
Posted by Entertaining Prose 2010-09-01 23:03||   2010-09-01 23:03|| Front Page Top

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