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Arizona Anti-Federalist Proposes Evasion Of 17th Amendment

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Posted by Anonymoose 2010-02-10 15:24|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11128 views ] Top

#1 Don't get the anti-federalist in the title. This sounds more federalist to me. I've often thought that the old way might be a better curb on Washington.

Posted by AlanC 2010-02-10 16:52|| 2010-02-10 16:52|| Front Page Top

#2 I vaguely remember some really good reasons to take selection of Senators away the state legislatures, which was the reason for the 17th amendment. The electorate has always had the power of term limits. Adding more regulations on top of that is superfluous. I keep hoping that eventually the electorate will suffer enough to take the government back, but some days I'm not as optimistic as others.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2010-02-10 16:56|| 2010-02-10 16:56|| Front Page Top

#3 Some day I'll read The Federalist Papers.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2010-02-10 16:56|| 2010-02-10 16:56|| Front Page Top

#4 I suggest the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution, then the Federalist Papers. If anything can help, that's it.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2010-02-10 17:01|| 2010-02-10 17:01|| Front Page Top

#5 State ledislature corruption, deadlock and no sitting senators, etc. were the reasons that the populist apporach was pushed. While I think that the state should have the ability to pull back their senators after a 2/3 vote of the state government, term limits would be the best way to keep bad senators from stinking up the hill for long periods.

Posted by DarthVader 2010-02-10 17:24|| 2010-02-10 17:24|| Front Page Top

#6 AlanC: By today's definition, a Federalist supports the idea of a balance of power between the national government, the individual States, and the people.

An Anti-Federalist supports the idea that the individual States, as a group, should be superior to the national government. This is more like Rep. Stevens statement, "The state is supreme over the federal government."

So today, Federalists and Anti-Federalists are not in contention, because they both hold that the national government has taken far too many powers not authorized it by the constitution.

This has gone so far that it means that all three branches of the national government have usurped power that is constitutionally denied them. The executive branch and the bureaucracy, the legislative branch, and the judiciary, all need to be reduced in stature, in relation to the individual States and the people.

In 1913, the national government stripped away the power of the States, with the 17th Amendment, and directly inserted itself into the lives of the people with the 16th Amendment. So in effect, the national government took absolute power from the States and the people.

And this is as bad as if the POTUS declared himself dictator. Which, now that the States cannot constrain the national government, has been one of the directions the national government has taken. The POTUS thinks himself above the law, and able to create law on his own.

The federal judiciary now demands that States must obey them as well, appropriating money as judges see fit, and being given "special masters" if they refuse to obey.

And senators are now paid by lobbyists and corporations, and are responsive only to them.

Posted by Anonymoose 2010-02-10 18:18|| 2010-02-10 18:18|| Front Page Top

#7 'moose, I'm sure that you're correct. But I'm such an old fart that I still consider my self a "liberal".

According to today's liberal's I'm a raging right wing death beast ;^)

Posted by AlanC 2010-02-10 20:26|| 2010-02-10 20:26|| Front Page Top

#8 Moose, 1913 also was the year the Federal Reserve was created. I've often thought of getting an on line newspaper archive for 1912 and 1913 and reading the paper daily for two years to find out what they thought was going on. 1913 was a black year for freedom.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2010-02-10 20:35|| 2010-02-10 20:35|| Front Page Top

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