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2006-09-23 Terror Networks
'Bin Laden is dead' claim French secret service
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Posted by Joe of the Jungle 2006-09-23 07:40|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11132 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 If I were him, I'd want people to think I was dead too. We've heard all this before, it was kidney disease last time.
Posted by bigjim-ky 2006-09-23 08:02||   2006-09-23 08:02|| Front Page Top

#2 This is intended, I think, to forestall a US attack across the Pakistan border. If capturing bin Laden is the main issue in the GWOT, as Kerry and the Dems and others want to pretend, then his death would mean we have no reason to continue hostilities.

Pfeh.
Posted by lotp 2006-09-23 08:06||   2006-09-23 08:06|| Front Page Top

#3 I wonder how many of our 'allies' will be holding state funerals for him.
Posted by Scott R">Scott R  2006-09-23 08:18|| http://five24.net]">[http://five24.net]  2006-09-23 08:18|| Front Page Top

#4 This guy's got more lives than a litterful of cats.
Posted by WhiteCollarRedneck 2006-09-23 08:52||   2006-09-23 08:52|| Front Page Top

#5 It makes a nice title, anyway.
Posted by SwissTex 2006-09-23 09:06||   2006-09-23 09:06|| Front Page Top

#6 Typhoid would be a nice way for him to go. Plauge would also be nice.
Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader  2006-09-23 09:20||   2006-09-23 09:20|| Front Page Top

#7 "If he is dead, Mr. Mushareff, you won't mind giving us the body. Or at least just the head. Buried you say? No problem, we'll bring a backhoe."
Posted by Steve White">Steve White  2006-09-23 09:41||   2006-09-23 09:41|| Front Page Top

#8 Steve W - Just the coordinates would do; drop a bunker buster and capture some DNA molecules on a flyover, sort of like they used to do to detect nuclear test details.
Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore  2006-09-23 09:49||   2006-09-23 09:49|| Front Page Top

#9 Is it just me, or do others find the "typhoid" demise just a tad over the edge. Typhoid outbreaks tend to bring the IRC running.

I don't think Binny's billions, personal doctors or mansion near Quetta would have him exposed to typhoid. Kidney failure, heart attack, assassination, maybe. But typhoid? Sounds more like the drivellings of some NWFP cave dweller looking for a bounty. Typhoid hits his village all the time.

Cup full of salt.
Posted by Thinemp Whimble2412 2006-09-23 09:58||   2006-09-23 09:58|| Front Page Top

#10 The French papers have carried this before. Won't believe till I see Chirac w/black armband.
Posted by regular joe 2006-09-23 10:16||   2006-09-23 10:16|| Front Page Top

#11 Ace Of Spades has a good rundown of why this may very well be true. The Sept 9/11 Presidential speech WAS way overhyped, and it's probable the Bush admin decided to pull back on the announcement until positive evidence is secured. Rove promised an October Surprise™, and you KNOW the timing will be questioned. Additionally, this will virtually force AQ to come out with another "Osama" audio tape. Why no video, hmmmmm?
Weekend at Osama's?
Posted by Frank G 2006-09-23 10:32||   2006-09-23 10:32|| Front Page Top

#12 Frank, the Rovian October Surprise (even should it turn out there is none) has the donks in shellshock mode.

It would be fascinating to see how the donks respond to such a release, given their incessant "we STILL haven't gotten bin Laden" dribble.
Posted by Captain America 2006-09-23 10:53||   2006-09-23 10:53|| Front Page Top

#13  "According to a usually reliable source,..."

LOL
Posted by mrp 2006-09-23 10:54||   2006-09-23 10:54|| Front Page Top

#14 "Spinach salad with bacon bits and a nice sherry vinaigrette for monsieur..."
Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious  2006-09-23 11:11||   2006-09-23 11:11|| Front Page Top

#15 Typhoid symptomology:

1st phase: the patient's temperature rises gradually to 40ºC (104ºF) and the general condition becomes very poor with bouts of sweating, no appetite, coughing and headache. Constipation and skin symptoms may be the clearest symptoms. Children often vomit and have diarrhoea. The first phase lasts a week and towards the end the patient shows increasing listlessness and clouding of consciousness.

2nd phase: in the second to third weeks of the disease, symptoms of intestinal infection are manifested and the fever remains very high and the pulse becomes weak and rapid. In the third week the constipation is replaced by severe pea-soup-like diarrhoea. The faeces may also contain blood. It is not until the fourth or fifth week that the fever drops and the general condition slowly improves (with antibiotic treatment).
Posted by Anonymoose 2006-09-23 11:11||   2006-09-23 11:11|| Front Page Top

#16 might've been tough to find a doctor who makes cave-calls without alerting authorities and UAVs
Posted by Frank G 2006-09-23 11:14||   2006-09-23 11:14|| Front Page Top

#17 So now he has to come we some new video footage to show the world he is alive.....
Posted by Cheque Thraviting7052 2006-09-23 11:15||   2006-09-23 11:15|| Front Page Top

#18 And, if this checks out, they'd say something that would boil down to "Nous le tuâmes, ainsi il est temps de se rendre."
Posted by Korora">Korora  2006-09-23 11:37||   2006-09-23 11:37|| Front Page Top

#19 Naturellement!
Posted by lotp 2006-09-23 11:46||   2006-09-23 11:46|| Front Page Top

#20 'Bin Laden is dead' claim French secret service

I take this to mean he's living in a safe house in Paris.
Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford  2006-09-23 11:56|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2006-09-23 11:56|| Front Page Top

#21 Recall Nancy Pelosi's comments of September 8, 2006 during a press conference regarding Osama bin Laden when she declared:

“The damage that he has done is done. And even to capture him now I don’t think makes us any safer.”

I could only guess that she was making a pre-emptive strike against "news" she was expecting to hear. Her friend Jane Harman sits on the Intelligence Committee and she herself was a member of that Committee at one time.

And a quick Net search on typhoid might help you visualize the kind of demise that this pig met...

S. typhi must be ingested to cause disease. Transmission often occurs when a person in the carrier state does not wash hands thoroughly (or not at all) after defecation and serves food to others. This pathway is sometimes called the fecal-oral route of disease transmission. In countries where open sewage is accessible to flies, the insects land on the sewage, pick up the bacteria, and then contaminate food to be eaten by humans.

After being swallowed, the S. typhi bacteria head down the digestive tract, where they are taken in by cells called mononuclear phagocytes. In the case of S. typhi the bacteria are able to survive ingestion by the phagocytes, and multiply within these cells. There is a 10 to 14-day incubation period of typhoid fever. When huge numbers of bacteria fill an individual phagocyte, they spill out of the cell and into the bloodstream, where their presence begins to cause symptoms.

The presence of increasingly large numbers of bacteria in the bloodstream (bacteremia) is responsible for an increasingly high fever, which lasts throughout the four to eight weeks of the disease in untreated individuals. Other symptoms of typhoid fever include constipation (at first), extreme fatigue, headache, joint pain, and a rash across the abdomen known as rose spots.

The bacteria move from the bloodstream into certain tissues of the body, including the gallbladder and lymph tissue of the intestine. The tissue's response to this invasion causes symptoms ranging from inflammation of the gallbladder to intestinal bleeding to actual perforation of the intestine. Perforation of the intestine refers to an actual hole occurring in the wall of the intestine, with leakage of intestinal contents into the abdominal cavity. This leakage causes severe irritation and inflammation of the lining of the abdominal cavity, which is called peritonitis. Peritonitis is a frequent cause of death from typhoid fever.

Priceless!
Posted by DigitalPatriot 2006-09-23 12:10||   2006-09-23 12:10|| Front Page Top

#22 so when I said "eat shit and die, Osama!"

I was doing my Nostradamus thing again? Woo Hoo!
Posted by Frank G 2006-09-23 12:22||   2006-09-23 12:22|| Front Page Top

#23 ouch Frank!!
Posted by The Sphinxter 2006-09-23 12:44||   2006-09-23 12:44|| Front Page Top

#24 I think we've all had enough of Osama's shit-eating grin.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-09-23 13:52||   2006-09-23 13:52|| Front Page Top

#25 Personally, I like to imagine Osama dying from a Dirty Sanchez from Zarawiri ...
Posted by Mizzou Mafia 2006-09-23 13:52||   2006-09-23 13:52|| Front Page Top

#26 MM! I'm surprised at you. I thought I was the only one who knew what that thing is....yuck
Posted by Frank G 2006-09-23 13:55||   2006-09-23 13:55|| Front Page Top

#27 If you're talking about felching ... you can stop now. [hurl]
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-09-23 14:01||   2006-09-23 14:01|| Front Page Top

#28 LOL - our local radio station KGB-FM calls Fletcher Parkway...Felcher Parkway in all the traffic reports
Posted by Frank G 2006-09-23 14:36||   2006-09-23 14:36|| Front Page Top

#29 So do you get virgins for this?
Posted by Chinter Flarong9283 2006-09-23 14:53||   2006-09-23 14:53|| Front Page Top

#30 syphilitic virgins with hoof-and-mouth, Hansen's, and tapeworms. Handle with care
Posted by Frank G 2006-09-23 15:02||   2006-09-23 15:02|| Front Page Top

#31 As the leper told the prostitute; "Keep the tip."
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-09-23 15:20||   2006-09-23 15:20|| Front Page Top

#32 Now the Dems are going to be in a quantry. Imagine the choice is now

Continue Slam Bush that he hasnt gotten Osama risking this story to be true

Or switch right into Osama is dead the WOT is over we won time to go back to "blissful ignorance"

Posted by C-Low 2006-09-23 15:26||   2006-09-23 15:26|| Front Page Top

#33 ...In other words, some poor sod in the French secret service accidentally stumbled over Binny, reported it to his superiors, and THEY came up with this to avoid actually having to do anything about it.

Mike
Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2006-09-23 16:20||   2006-09-23 16:20|| Front Page Top

#34 lol, eat shit and die

hmmm, is this a case of his left hand not knowing what his right hand was doing? As in eating with his wrong hand....
Posted by Jan from work 2006-09-23 17:26||   2006-09-23 17:26|| Front Page Top

#35 I don't buy a word of the story. Osama getting typhoid? Unlikely. Osama's personal attendants not having a bottle of Cipro handy for just such occasions? Unthinkable.

The man supposedly has been on dialysis for end-stage renal disease. That alone has a mortality of 10 - 20% per year. Perhaps they have a good dialysis program in North Wazoo and a great dialysis doc serving in AQ, but don't tell me they've managed to keep him alive on dialysis this long only to lose him to typhoid.

Tell me another one, I ain't sleepy yet.
Posted by Steve White">Steve White  2006-09-23 17:34||   2006-09-23 17:34|| Front Page Top

#36 I've read that the kidney report was bunk. I thought it was at this site.
Posted by Mizzou Mafia 2006-09-23 17:39||   2006-09-23 17:39|| Front Page Top

#37 Wonder if someone made a typo and meant Typhus, lice borne and really does well when people don't bathe or wash clothes.
"Background: Typhus refers to a group of infectious diseases that are caused by rickettsial organisms and result in an acute febrile illness. Arthropod vectors transmit the etiologic agents to humans. The principle diseases of this group are epidemic or louse-borne typhus and its recrudescent form known as Brill-Zinser disease, murine typhus, and scrub typhus.

Pathophysiology: Epidemic typhus is the prototypical infection of the typhus group of diseases, and the pathophysiology of this illness is representative of the entire category. The arthropod vector of epidemic typhus is the body louse (Pediculus corporis). This is the only vector of the typhus group in which humans are the usual host. Rickettsia prowazekii, which is the etiologic agent of typhus, lives in the alimentary tract of the louse. A Rickettsia-harboring louse bites a human to engage in a blood meal and causes a pruritic reaction on the host's skin. The louse defecates as it eats; when the host scratches the site, the lice are crushed, and the Rickettsia-laden excrement is inoculated into the bite wound. The Rickettsia travel to the bloodstream and rickettsemia develops.

Rickettsia parasitize the endothelial cells of the small venous, arterial, and capillary vessels. The organisms proliferate and cause endothelial cellular enlargement with resultant multiorgan vasculitis. This process may cause thrombosis, and small nodules may develop from the deposition of leukocytes, macrophages, and platelets. Gangrene of the distal portions of the extremities, nose, ear lobes, and genitalia may occur as a result of thrombosis of supplying blood vessels. This vasculitic process may also result in loss of intravascular colloid with subsequent hypovolemia and decreased tissue perfusion and, possibly, organ failure. Loss of electrolytes is common.

Some people may have a recrudescent case typhus (Brill-Zinsser disease). After a patient is treated with antibiotics and the disease has seemingly been cured, Rickettsia may linger in the body tissues. Months, years, or even decades after treatment, organisms may reemerge and cause a recurrence of typhus. How the Rickettsia organisms linger silently in a person and by what mechanism recrudescence is mediated are unknown. The presentation of Brill-Zinsser disease is less severe and mortality is much lower than in epidemic typhus. Risk factors that may predispose a person to recrudescence include improper or incomplete antibiotic therapy and malnutrition.

Murine typhus and scrub typhus share the same pathophysiology as epidemic typhus, although they are somewhat milder. The incubation period is approximately 12 days for the typhus group. Prior infection with Rickettsia typhi provides subsequent and long-lasting immunity to reinfection.

Frequency:

* In the US: Approximately 15 documented sporadic cases of active infection with R prowazekii, the etiologic agent of epidemic typhus, have been reported. These occurred in the central and eastern portions of the United States and have been linked with exposure to flying squirrels (Glaucomys volans). The flying squirrel acts as the host for R prowazekii, and transmission to humans is believed to occur via squirrel fleas or lice. Murine typhus caused by Rickettsia felis is associated with opossums, cats, and their fleas and occurs in southern California and southern Texas. Adults are most commonly affected, but infection may occur in any age group. No indigenous cases of scrub typhus have occurred, although infections have been diagnosed in patients returning from endemic areas.

* Internationally: Epidemic typhus occurs in Central and South America, Africa, northern China, and certain regions of the Himalayas. Outbreaks may occur when conditions arise that favor the propagation and transmission of lice. Brill-Zinsser disease may occur in approximately 15% of people with a history of primary epidemic typhus.

Murine typhus occurs in most parts of the world, particularly in subtropical and temperate coastal regions. It occurs mainly in sporadic cases, and incidence is probably greatly underestimated in the more endemic regions. Rats, mice, and cats, which are hosts for the disease, are particularly common along coastal port regions. Temperate climates may have a rise in the flea vector and a subsequent rise in the incidence of murine typhus in the summer months. Prior infection with R typhi provides immunity to subsequent reinfection.

Scrub typhus occurs in the western Pacific region, northern Australia, and the Indian subcontinent. Incidence of scrub typhus is largely unknown. Many cases are undiagnosed because of its nonspecific manifestations and the lack of laboratory diagnostic testing in endemic areas. However, a report of incidence of scrub typhus in Malaysia was approximately 3% per month, and multiple infections in the same individual may occur because of a lack of cross-immunity among the various strains of Orientia tsutsugamushi.

Mortality/Morbidity: Epidemic typhus has the most severe clinical presentation of the typhus group of rickettsial infections. In severe disease, gangrene may occur and lead to loss of digits, limbs, or other appendages. The vasculitic process may also lead to CNS dysfunction, ranging from dullness of mentation to coma, multiorgan system failure, and death. The mortality rate in untreated persons may be as low as 20% in healthy individuals and as high as 60% in elderly or debilitated persons. Since the advent of widely available antibiotic treatment, mortality rates have fallen to approximately 3-4%. The mortality rate for treated patients with murine typhus is 1-4% and less than 1% for scrub typhus.

Sex: The condition has no predilection for either sex.

Age: The typhus group of infections may occur in people of all ages. In the United States, murine typhus and sporadic cases of epidemic typhus have mainly occurred in adults".
Posted by bruce 2006-09-23 17:40||   2006-09-23 17:40|| Front Page Top

#38 
Posted by Mizzou Mafia 2006-09-23 17:43||   2006-09-23 17:43|| Front Page Top

#39 your memory is correct: Dan Darling said the kidney stuff was bunk - on this site. That said, when's the last Binny video that could be cooroberated with a time stamp? 2001?
Posted by Frank G 2006-09-23 17:45||   2006-09-23 17:45|| Front Page Top

#40 I am thankful to the French. AQ is mostly a PR firm. They have to respond. We are set-up very well to capitalize if he utters a peep. If the Pakistani military has pulled back out of Waziristan, doesn't the border become more theoretical with respect to us pursuing bad guys? After the snatch, he is just a helo ride from being found in Afghanistan. The village elders will protest. The streets of Islamabad will seeth for a week and Noam Chomsky will squeal foul.
Posted by Super Hose 2006-09-23 18:59||   2006-09-23 18:59|| Front Page Top

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