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The Botany of Illegal Immigration : The rape trees
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Posted by anonymous5089 2006-09-06 06:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11131 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1  It is time the American people put a stop to the travesty of our open borders. It is time to understand that "open borders" means they are open to every kind of evil, including gang rape and human trafficking.

NO, it is time these worthless donks we've got in congress and POTUS quit betraying and selling out the American way of life. Betrayal, absolute betrayal. Nothing less.









Posted by Besoeker 2006-09-06 07:52||   2006-09-06 07:52|| Front Page Top

#2 This is not something the coyotes invented - human traffickers the world over and for all time have done such things - and precisely this vile act in particular. Note that this isn't unusual today in Europe, with the victims being women sold into prostitution, New Europe into Old, for the "entertainment" of the sophisticates of the EU. Nor in Asia, nor in Africa. No corner of the world is without this evil...

That it is happening on our border is an indictment of craven cowardly animals, masquerading as men, same as everywhere else on the planet -- I include the politicians with the traffickers. To lay it at Bush's feet is classic propaganda, particularly Card Stacking and Pinpointing the Enemy. In Logic, it constitutes a False Dilemma. The choices aren't limited to blaming Bush for inaction or accepting Rape Trees. In other words, the blame game isn't the answer, it's just the infantile lazy man's simple-minded screed - and Bush isn't the only one who should receive blame - there's plenty of culprits equally deserving... starting with the obvious 535 in Congress, not counting civil authorities at all levels and Judges and Law Enforcement who refuse to enforce existing law. And then there are the untouchables: "clergy" who think they are above the law. In truth, it begins with Congress, since they initiate laws and allocate funds... then the Executive is officially empowered and enabled to make shit happen. Then the Federal Authorities, such as Border Agents and INS, then the States and cities and local LE - you've read the articles - there are plenty of people who have decided they can make their own laws or selectively enforce what's on the books -- no matter what Congress and Bush do... Seems to me that they're all failing us in great degree. And it's well past time to get real about it. Or is that too much to ask?

I am very tired of the pathetic simple-minded half-assed twit-level BS that passes for political discourse from those who would seek to lead us, or frisk our wallets, or enlist us in their favorite causes for a bandwagon effect. Got a "new" evil to trumpet? One that gets your shorts in a bunch? Okay, fine. Think it through, no really - think it through and include the inconvenient bits such as doing your part, define it accurately, pose it, process it into its component parts and address each one, generate, propose, and advance effective solutions for each bit, and do it all, everything, within the confines of reality. Money, politics, support - the works. It's not as much fun, of course, as merely braying aloud but you'll be more likely to actually get something done that way, assuming you really are interested in solutions and not merely blame games.

To solve this problem, to eliminate the evil in human trafficking on our border, and simultaneously stop the invasion by those who come by other means than coyotes, we all know the two things that must occur: remove the incentives to come and make it "impossible" to come illegally. Simple, eh? Nope. Those two points require far more than just bashing Bush to get off high-center. It involves employers being held to account, stopping easily-obtained fake ID - no make that stopping fake ID period, allow no new incentives such as SocSec bennies, ending catch and release, building effective barriers, and much much more. There is no Magic Wand and there is no Santa Clause. Yeah, it sucks. If blame is your thing, then go after every Congresscritter and every public official who is failing to execute their duties -- and every voter who hasn't ridden their critter into the ground to enforce the laws we have now - regardless of the additional measures required to make it so. Make them, with every tool and dollar at your command, on pain of sudden retirement or being turned out of office for malfeasance, pass effective laws which satisfy the requirements to end the problem and enforce them to the letter. If you consider the full spectrum, it is no different than the so-called "war on drugs" BS... you have to interdict successfully -- and you have to remove demand. Fail in either and you have the results we see in that pathetic disaster: utter failure. The tough bit, removing demand, involves drastic measures. So be it. If you can't accept the solutions required, then you're not serious about solving the problem. Either address the whole set of problems, the Gordian Knot masquerading as one problem, or fail.

How repetitious this has all become. Every identified evil now generates fresh outrage and a demand to create a prominent place at the feet of one man. How fucking absurd. How juvenile and foolish... from hangnails, as .com used to point out with great derision, to true evil, such as this. Yeah, right to left, everything is Bush's fault. BDS runs the full spectrum, now.

Perhaps if he were Emperor with absolute power, then the self-righteous screechers, the Single Issue Freaks, the BDS addled, the Dhimmicrats with no ideas or actual concern for America - just their hunger for power, the triangulators and ankle-biters, the lame and the 15 minutes of fame tools could all go back to being simply boring assholes and we could worry about important shit, again. Like Suri's turds.
Posted by flyover 2006-09-06 07:55||   2006-09-06 07:55|| Front Page Top

#3 Whew! I am glad you found your way to us, flyover. A good rant!
Posted by trailing wife 2006-09-06 08:42||   2006-09-06 08:42|| Front Page Top

#4 Be interesting [in a shitty kind of way] to see if this single issue keeps a signifigant percentage of Repubs and independants from voting this fall.
Posted by Suri 2006-09-06 08:49||   2006-09-06 08:49|| Front Page Top

#5 :) Thanks, tw... I get so frustrated by this obviously carefully selective POV and the wild knee-jerk condemnation, now coming from all sides, that it's just not much fun, anymore. I know everybody didn't grow up in a vaccuum, so where does this come from?

Suri - Such pointless self-defeating stupidity will not be rare or isolated, I think. Whether there are enough such fools to tip the balance, guaranteeing the last 2 years on Bush's watch will be wasted in a circus...
Posted by flyover 2006-09-06 09:22||   2006-09-06 09:22|| Front Page Top

#6 Good Great commentary flyover... the "broken borders" the lame policy of 'let someone deal with the problem as long as it ain't me' is a particular sore point.

imo, The 'policy' [lack of one] represents a sheer rent of citizen status and lack of respect for those citizens who died defending our flag and country.

BUT it is childish to refuse to do the best we can [sic vote] and also disrespectful to all those who have sacrificed much more than we who btw still live.

it's just the infantile lazy man's simple-minded screed - and Bush isn't the only one who should receive blame - there's plenty of culprits equally deserving... starting with the obvious 535 in Congress, not counting civil authorities at all levels and Judges and Law Enforcement who refuse to enforce existing law. And then there are the untouchables: "clergy" who think they are above the law. In truth, it begins with Congress, since they initiate laws and allocate funds... then the Executive is officially empowered and enabled to make shit happen. Then the Federal Authorities, such as Border Agents and INS, then the States and cities and local LE - you've read the articles - there are plenty of people who have decided they can make their own laws or selectively enforce what's on the books -- no matter what Congress and Bush do... Seems to me that they're all failing us in great degree. And it's well past time to get real about it. Or is that too much to ask?

I am very tired of the pathetic simple-minded half-assed twit-level BS that passes for political discourse from those who would seek to lead us, or frisk our wallets, or enlist us in their favorite causes for a bandwagon effect. Got a "new" evil to trumpet? One that gets your shorts in a bunch? Okay, fine. Think it through, no really - think it through and include the inconvenient bits such as doing your part, define it accurately, pose it, process it into its component parts and address each one, generate, propose, and advance effective solutions for each bit, and do it all, everything, within the confines of reality. Money, politics, support - the works. It's not as much fun, of course, as merely braying aloud but you'll be more likely to actually get something done that way, assuming you really are interested in solutions and not merely blame games.

We demand more flyover, please feel obligated! :-)
Posted by RD 2006-09-06 09:59||   2006-09-06 09:59|| Front Page Top

#7 RD :) I wonder, when was the last time our borders were actually secure? Ever?

The US has always been a job magnet for Mexicans, especially since WW-II when we boomed economically. What changed, and when, to make the flow an full-scale invasion? Or has it always been so in "modern" times, just not noticed because it was inconvenient - as ed pointed out yesterday regards the obvious economic benefits to employers?

Bush just happened to be the Prez when the music suddenly stopped, IMO.
Posted by flyover 2006-09-06 10:22||   2006-09-06 10:22|| Front Page Top

#8 Well, I'd say something here but I don't want to be William Hung following Kelly Clarkson.
Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-09-06 11:17||   2006-09-06 11:17|| Front Page Top

#9 Yesterday, I sent my US rep an email.
"Secure the southern border by election day, or I will stay home."

It's a simple equation. His action on our border for my vote. You can all do the same. Reps are elected every 2 years and thus they are at the whim of the people. Take advantage.
Posted by wxjames 2006-09-06 11:56||   2006-09-06 11:56|| Front Page Top

#10 Did you sign it, Nancy Pelosi?
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-09-06 11:59||   2006-09-06 11:59|| Front Page Top

#11 Dear People of Mexico,

If you want an open border throw out your government and join the US as territories (like Puerto Rico). We'll take care of you and give you law and order.

If you want soveregnty, control your citizens and your border.

Thank you for your time.

~America
Posted by rjschwarz 2006-09-06 12:01||   2006-09-06 12:01|| Front Page Top

#12 wxjames: does it matter how your representative actually voted on the issue, or are you going to punish him for not reconciling the House version with the incompatible Senate one?

If you think it's your representative's job to pay for the actions of other people's representatives who have voted for amnesty (just using that issue as an example) then I suspect you aren't actually going to get anywhere.
Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2006-09-06 12:14||   2006-09-06 12:14|| Front Page Top

#13 And not only are you going to get nowhere, but you're going to take the rest of us with you.
Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2006-09-06 12:15||   2006-09-06 12:15|| Front Page Top

#14 I wonder, when was the last time our borders were actually secure? Ever?

Probably never, to be honest. It just never seemed like a big priority.

The big difference over the past few years has been how the coyotes have treated the illegals they have been leading across. There have always been guides showing people how to sneak across, and vans crammed with 20 people inside, as long as I can remember. What I never heard of until recently were houses where coyotes held 50, 60 or more people as hostages until they got some kind of ransom money from the families back home. There have even been cases of coyotes "stealing" hostages from each other, just so they could get ransom payments.

I guess it switched within the last few years from drug smuggling to human smuggling when they realized the penalties were less likely to be handed down (marijuana's never afraid to bear witness...).

I had never heard of the rape trees, but knowing what kind of evil bastards many of them are, I'm not surprised. How terrible for those women and girls! Neither government (ours and Mexico's) have really done anything about the hostage taking, so don't expect them to do a damn thing about this, either. Both of them want the money too bad.

(BTW, great rant, flyover!)

Posted by Swamp Blondie 2006-09-06 12:22|| http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com ]">[http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com ]  2006-09-06 12:22|| Front Page Top

#15 “In other words, the blame game isn't the answer, it's just the infantile lazy man's simple-minded screed - and Bush isn't the only one who should receive blame…”

Flyover, you make a cogent point for “BDS” in general but, with all due respect, it doesn’t adequately represent the majority of opponents to the Bush Administrations’ advocacy for “Comprehensive Immigration Reform”. Even moderately rational people understand that the president alone isn’t exclusively to blame for this current morass. But to dismiss this administrations’ culpability would take blind faith or blind loyalty (or both). To be clear, this is not a dispute of a single issue. This is a complex Phenomena that affects numerous areas including security, econonomy, employment, politics, and culture just to name a few. Nor is it simply a disagreement about solutions. Reasonable people can reach opposing conclusions with mutual respect. However, this administration has taken advantage of the bully-pulpit to carefully craft a policy based on a political calculus -- not on principle. Which has, for the most part, allowed them to frame their opinions as complex at the same time portraying their detractors as having a single issue mentality. When in reality the majority of “enforcement first” advocates recognize the administrations approach is simply another smoke and mirrors policy designed to garner power, money, and votes. And there is no reason why they shouldn’t be called on it.

Stop the bleeding first, and then dress the wound!
Posted by DepotGuy 2006-09-06 12:26||   2006-09-06 12:26|| Front Page Top

#16 The criminal side of this is what should be featured. Not only the kidnapping/ransom racket, but the gang rapes and subsequent forced prostitution. Then there's the drugs, the smuggling in of Islamic terrorists, and the trash--every year a convoy of dump trucks full of trash gathered from the transfer points photos and slide shows at this link 15 miles long--trash that pollutes the US communities' water supplies.

The border need to be secured from the blatant criminal element, for the protection of good people on both sides. That case can and should be made.
Posted by ex-lib 2006-09-06 13:50||   2006-09-06 13:50|| Front Page Top

#17  What changed, and when, to make the flow an full-scale invasion?

Ease of transportation and, although it sounds crazy, wealth. Back in the old days when poor people could only afford shank's mare, it cost too much to walk all the way across Mexico to get to the border, only to walk part way across the US to get to a job, not to mention paying for food along the way. Now even the poor are wealthy enough to pay for a bus ticket that takes them to the border, and the families back home have enough money from the relatives already in Gringoland to pay the coyote fee (and the coyote can hold them for additional ransom because the money is there to be taken).

The poor are fat because they aren't starving to death anymore. And they are coming north because they are doing well enough that they can afford to strive to do better for themselves and their children. At least, that's what I learnt from that lovely NYT article yesterday about the three illegals who'd received millions from the 9/11 victims fund, but were afraid to live fully for fear they might be sent home -- even taking the money with them.
Posted by trailing wife 2006-09-06 14:00||   2006-09-06 14:00|| Front Page Top

#18 "The US has always been a job magnet for Mexicans, especially since WW-II when we boomed economically. What changed, and when, to make the flow an full-scale invasion? Or has it always been so in "modern" times, just not noticed because it was inconvenient - as ed pointed out yesterday regards the obvious economic benefits to employers?"

Italy and Greece and Ireland industrialized, the eastern european Jews were killed off, the other eastern europeans were trapped behind the iron curtain and when they came out joined the EU with its high wage markets. We havent always brought in Mexicans, but we've always brought in peasants to be cheap labor, and then to move up the ranks of society. And thank God for that, or Id never have been born, in all probability, and certainly not born an American.

Illegal immigrant traffickers are scum. My grandparents didnt need to deal with that, cause they came BEFORE there were any limits on immigration, and ALL immigrants, other than criminals and folks with contagious diseases were legal.

Im not suggesting we drop all limits on legal immigration. But a serious approach has to included legal immigration as well as cracking down at the border.
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-09-06 14:10||   2006-09-06 14:10|| Front Page Top

#19 And when I say we've ALWAYS brought in cheap labor, I do mean always.

When George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were around, it was the practice to buy indentured servants - someone who could NOT afford passage from England, but who sold himself for a term of years to a ship captain, who then sold him to a planter or master craftsman in the colonies. He received room and board till his term was up, then was given a suit of clothes and modest amount of money. It was a fairly inexpensive way to get labor, including often skilled labor.
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-09-06 14:14||   2006-09-06 14:14|| Front Page Top

#20 Italy and Greece and Ireland industrialized, the eastern european Jews were killed off, the other eastern europeans were trapped behind the iron curtain and when they came out joined the EU with its high wage markets. We havent always brought in Mexicans, but we've always brought in peasants to be cheap labor, and then to move up the ranks of society. And thank God for that, or Id never have been born, in all probability, and certainly not born an American.

You've partway answered your own question; while a lot of "peasants" came to the US in the 19th and early 20th centuries, they generally weren't mostly a culturally homogenous mass from one place.

Second, the relative remoteness of foreign countries in the past tended to help encourage assimilation. When the average (even poor) immigrant can go home twice a year, watch the soap operas in Spanish, indeed leave most of his family there (where the cost of living is cheaper)... it creates an undertow going the other way. Not assimilating becomes the path of least resistance because of both of those factors. And there's noone like John Hughes around to lead everyone out of this mess.
Posted by Phil 2006-09-06 15:02||   2006-09-06 15:02|| Front Page Top

#21 Closing the borders will not end the human trafficking. Nor will it end the exploitation of the poor trying to get to America. The borders have nothing to do with the containers smuggling in Chinese slaves and the abuse they take to get here. As bad as Rape is, it is what keeps the Mexican traffickers from doing worse, IE Chinese trafficers take the kids from the parents and sell them. Once the borders are secure the Mexicans will come here by boat or plane.

We have to address the Mexican labor issue and our broken immigration policies, not just build a wall.
Posted by 49 Pan">49 Pan  2006-09-06 15:37||   2006-09-06 15:37|| Front Page Top

#22 If you can get the pumps started.... even a sinking ship may have a chance to make it to port. Build the wall now, solve the immigration problem later.
Posted by Besoeker 2006-09-06 16:12||   2006-09-06 16:12|| Front Page Top

#23 Do I detect a surrender ?
Are the borders not worth securing ?
Today, we have a booming economy, reinforced by hard working Mexicans. Within a few years, we may have a recession. Who will be working then ? And, who will be unemployed ?
We must be able to control our borders, and we must force the Congress to take action. While we're at it, we should teach the Congress how to stay in touch with us. Washington, DC does not need 535 representatives in Congress. Those jerks represent us, the American people, and we had better make that stick or all is lost.
Whether I vote or stay home will not be known by anyone but me. However, we have a weak republican party, let's take advantage of that fact.
A wall, a fence, armed guards, whatever, let's get it done.
Posted by wxjames 2006-09-06 16:28||   2006-09-06 16:28|| Front Page Top

#24 In short, you believe the Democrats that replace the Republicans in the House who didn't go along with the Senate's liberalizations will suddenly turn into anti-immigration activists?

Have you checked their actual positions on the matter?
Posted by The Abdominalizer 2006-09-06 18:05||   2006-09-06 18:05|| Front Page Top

#25 There is no "John Birch Nativist X-Treme!" party that's going to overturn both the Democrats and Republicans if you stay home.
Posted by Abdominal Snowfucious 2006-09-06 18:06||   2006-09-06 18:06|| Front Page Top

#26 And I know whether you vote or stay home won't be known to anyone but you. BUT... the press already has its headlines pre-written in case of a Republican loss. It's all about how The American People Are Tired Of War, and We Need An Exit Strategy...
Posted by Abdominal Snowhorn 2006-09-06 18:20||   2006-09-06 18:20|| Front Page Top

#27 You simultaneously say that the Republican Party is weak enough to be pressured, but want to punish it for not being strong enough to enforce its policies.

For all their stupid actual policies the guys at the Daily Kos actually had the right idea about Lieberman: they went and got someone to run against him in the primary. They came up with ways to move their party in the direction _they_ wanted, besides "Let The Republicans Win." Unfortunately they seem to have decided that that particular strategy would be about as sharp as a bag of wet chiroptera, and you know what? They're right.
Posted by Abdominalhorn Snowhorn 2006-09-06 18:24||   2006-09-06 18:24|| Front Page Top

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