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2006-04-29 Europe
Cultural workshop to bridge West-Muslim divide
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Posted by Seafarious 2006-04-29 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Workshop 1: How to Car-B-Que
Posted by Captain America 2006-04-29 00:20||   2006-04-29 00:20|| Front Page Top

#2 Enjoy your beer, Seafarious. I look forward to more deep thinking of this calibre...
Posted by Ptah">Ptah  2006-04-29 06:24|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]  2006-04-29 06:24|| Front Page Top

#3 Or, Muslems understand you perfectly---you're prey.
Posted by gromgoru 2006-04-29 07:19||   2006-04-29 07:19|| Front Page Top

#4 The inline deserves a Rodin statue, not Pooh characters.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-04-29 08:15||   2006-04-29 08:15|| Front Page Top

#5 Fred! Fred! Fred! Huzzah!
Posted by 6 2006-04-29 09:11||   2006-04-29 09:11|| Front Page Top

#6 Oh, dear. The in-line analysis nearly had me on the floor. You picked up that book on regional dialects again, didn't you? ;-)
Posted by trailing wife 2006-04-29 09:17||   2006-04-29 09:17|| Front Page Top

#7 Amusing comments, but one major error: it was the Christians, inspired by Bishop Cyril, who burned the great pagan library of Alexandria The Muslims came several hundred years later. Prior to the Enlightenment, Christianity was no more tolerant than Islam.
Posted by pagan infidel 2006-04-29 09:58||   2006-04-29 09:58|| Front Page Top

#8 #7, Bull.
Posted by gromgoru 2006-04-29 10:29||   2006-04-29 10:29|| Front Page Top

#9 
The final individual to get blamed for the destruction is the Moslem Caliph Omar. In 640 AD the Moslems took the city of Alexandria. Upon learning of "a great library containing all the knowledge of the world" the conquering general supposedly asked Caliph Omar for instructions. The Caliph has been quoted as saying of the Library's holdings, "they will either contradict the Koran, in which case they are heresy, or they will agree with it, so they are superfluous." So, allegedly, all the texts were destroyed by using them as tinder for the bathhouses of the city. Even then it was said to have taken six months to burn all the documents. But these details, from the Caliph's quote to the incredulous six months it supposedly took to burn all the books, weren't written down until 300 years after the fact. These facts condemning Omar were written by Bishop Gregory Bar Hebræus, a Christian who spent a great deal of time writing about Moslem atrocities without much historical documentation.
The library was apparently burned at least twice, maybe three times. Caesar was blamed for burning the library the first time. The story of Bishop Cyril and Hypatia the last librarian and the Alexandrine riots is an interesting story, and the Temple of Serapis branch at least was burned then. And the Caliph Omar story sounds so Islamic, despite the lack of contemporary documentation.
Posted by Fred 2006-04-29 10:32||   2006-04-29 10:32|| Front Page Top

#10 Interesting indeed. Hypatia -- the greatest female scholar of antiquity -- was skinned alive by a mob of rabid Christian monks. But the point is that Christianity changed. Can Islam? I used to think so, but now I doubt it.
Posted by pagan infidel 2006-04-29 10:54||   2006-04-29 10:54|| Front Page Top

#11 Twisty, curvy Hypatia indeed.
Rare is it that a safe is dropped from such heigth.
Posted by 6 2006-04-29 11:15||   2006-04-29 11:15|| Front Page Top

#12 "HAVE YOU HUGGED YOU BOMBER TODAY?"
Posted by Lancasters Over Dresden 2006-04-29 13:15|| http://www.calderonswirbelwind.blogspot.com]">[http://www.calderonswirbelwind.blogspot.com]  2006-04-29 13:15|| Front Page Top

#13 Interesting indeed. Hypatia -- the greatest female scholar of antiquity -- was skinned alive by a mob of rabid Christian monks. But the point is that Christianity changed.

History doesn't say if the Church punished the monks or perhaps even deferred them to the "secular arm" (Church didn't execute people) while we know well enough that there was NO fatwa against those who destroyed the Buddhas in Afghanistan, or cultural treasures elsewhere.
Posted by JFM">JFM  2006-04-29 14:52||   2006-04-29 14:52|| Front Page Top

#14 I can't find my reference right now, but it was claimed that the holdings of the library had changed over time (like modern libraries). The theory was that a lot of the old pagan authors, being less popular, hadn't been recopied and therefore not replaced when the volumes wore out. This theory was supposedly supported by references to their equivalent of a card catalog.

More on topic: Who will be attending these "workshops" from the Middle East? Let me guess: A couple of pet Islamic scholars who can be trusted to say nice things in front of the French cameras. A herd of the usual suspects. The eye-rollers won't get grants to come.
Posted by James">James  2006-04-29 14:57|| http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com]">[http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com]  2006-04-29 14:57|| Front Page Top

#15 Prior to the Enlightenment, Christianity was no more tolerant than Islam.

Yeah,the pogroms in Muslim Spain were afruit of imagination, also take a check about what Shariah says about how Chruistains and Jews had to be treated. Like denying them right of self defence or the heirloom going in its entirety to the one brother who had converted to Islam. Christains never had so discrimantory laws against Muslims than what Muslims enforced on Christians where they were dominant.
Posted by JFM">JFM  2006-04-29 14:59||   2006-04-29 14:59|| Front Page Top

#16 When things got too hot for Maimonedes in Spain where did he go?

Nobody has the corner on humanity or inhumanity, though the Muzzies are trying to corner the market in the later now that most of the commies are gone or in remission.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-04-29 15:05||   2006-04-29 15:05|| Front Page Top

#17 Participants in the "dialogue of peoples and cultures" will come from non-governmental organizations although organizers will seek the support of the governments concerned. "The platform must be given to historians, educators, researchers and new thinkers on both banks. With the help of the media, satellite channels and the Internet, they will know how to fight stereotypes," the document says.

The usual tranzi trustafarians, in other words. Plus a few deacons in the Church of Gaia, wsho will be making their reports to the bishops in their hempen robes.
Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious  2006-04-29 15:20||   2006-04-29 15:20|| Front Page Top

#18 From this contractor's post in iraq

Q: How is it that intelligence gathering by Western powers, whether it is about the weapons capabilities of an entire nation, or the simple location of a lone thug, is so constantly stymied and duped in the Middle East?

A: The job of intelligence gatherers is to determine the truth. I wouldn't take that job in the Middle East for all the money in Michael Moore's Halliburton stocks.
Posted by 3dc 2006-04-29 15:41||   2006-04-29 15:41|| Front Page Top

#19 Oh, good! This will solve everything!
Don't forget to bring the Vaseline, Jake.
Posted by tu3031 2006-04-29 16:28||   2006-04-29 16:28|| Front Page Top

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