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2005-01-30 Europe
Europe - Thy Name Is Cowardice
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Posted by TMH 2005-01-30 1:25:03 PM|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11133 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 The last image is an instant classic. Bravo to the Iraqis, well done. Arsenic raspberries to the tranzi "ists" - fascists, socialists, communists, maoists, marxists, multicultists, OWGists, ad infinitum ad nauseum... and their onanist apologists who frequent the 'burg.
Posted by .com 2005-01-30 3:00:03 PM||   2005-01-30 3:00:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 The U.S. Constitution begins "We the people...".
The European Union Constitution begins "HIS MAJESTY THE KING OF THE BELGIANS...". I kid you NOT. The Preamble begins on page 11 of this PDF file:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/21_07_04cg00086.en04.pdf
Posted by Tom 2005-01-30 3:00:38 PM||   2005-01-30 3:00:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Yep, Tom.

I've always thought the difference between Euros and Americans is that we think of ourselves as citizens and they still think of themselves (if only subconsciously) as subjects.

European: Pay attention to your betters.

American (non-leftist): That sumbitch ain't been born yet!
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2005-01-30 3:25:04 PM||   2005-01-30 3:25:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Don't bend a knee to anyone but God.
Posted by John Q. Citizen 2005-01-30 3:29:39 PM||   2005-01-30 3:29:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 That last photo is a keeper.
Posted by Cyber Sarge  2005-01-30 3:42:06 PM||   2005-01-30 3:42:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 That is a keeper (Winston Churchill reborn as an Iraqi woman), and that's saying something considering the many amazing photos coming out of Iraq today. What makes it really work here is the contrast with the top shot of the Spanish protest.Cowardice, meet courage.
Posted by Matt 2005-01-30 3:57:21 PM||   2005-01-30 3:57:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 The Preamble begins on page 11

That alone should make you reject it.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2005-01-30 3:58:50 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-01-30 3:58:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 ...flip me that blue finger any time!!!
Posted by Red Stater 2005-01-30 4:00:05 PM||   2005-01-30 4:00:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 In all fairness, there are a HELL of a lot of people in eastern Europe who just fume when "old Europe" and Brussels speaks on their behalf. They resent western Europe, always willing to let them suffer under the Soviet bloc, being snooty to America, who was always there to give them hope and encouragement, even if it couldn't do much more to help them at the time. And they see America *still* trying to help oppressed people, and western Europe *still* stubbornly wanting to maintain a loathsome status quo, or make some petty profit at the expense of suffering people.

I still think of a Czech professor who, in 1968, brought his class of American students to tears telling them about the ongoing invasion of his country. And I think of how few other countries there are, where students would cry in sympathy for a people they had never met, whose dreams of freedom were being crushed by tanks.
Posted by Anonymoose 2005-01-30 4:15:00 PM||   2005-01-30 4:15:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Suck on this Aris....

The EU is the embodiment of OLD EUROPE.

Old Europe is anti-semitic.

Old Europe is anti-democratic.

Old Europe is anti-American.

Old Europe is anti-capitalist.

Old Europe is pro-appeasement.

Old Europe is pro-tyranny and pro-Palestinian.

Old Europe had it's collective butt kicked today in Iraq in conjunction with the Democratic Party of the USA.

What must it feel like to be on the wrong side of history? What must it feel like to have no sense of one's manhood? No courage...no higher purpose? The answer to those rhetorical questions will never be known since I'm a card carrying Republican and a free man.
Posted by Mark Z.  2005-01-30 4:31:28 PM||   2005-01-30 4:31:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 This is why we see a division between Old Europe and New Europe and why New Europe stood against Saddam. Countries like Poland have seen what happens when you end up with the short end of the appeasement stick.
Posted by SteveS 2005-01-30 4:45:20 PM||   2005-01-30 4:45:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 You would think Europe would have learned from WWII. "Old dogs can't learn new tricks?"
Posted by John Q. Citizen 2005-01-30 4:53:01 PM||   2005-01-30 4:53:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 It is interesting to watch the progress of the rot in Old Europe, cloaked in the recurring guise of "experience". Inevitably I find myself saddened by what they are losing, especially in the U.K. and Germany, and their sense of resignation and surrender to the tides of Islamists who come to hasten the fall of the West. I was heartened today by the proof that great powers still have a sense of being able to shape the course of the world when faced with great adversity, and marvel at the old friends who have fallen to the wayside because they lost faith in us. I confess, I fear we are headed their way in time, but not yet, by God, not yet!!!
Posted by 12a12b35a54a00  2005-01-30 4:54:05 PM||   2005-01-30 4:54:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 this has nothing too do with the article but could someone tell me how too chance my name and how it may have gotten changed in the first place
Posted by Thraing Hupoluper1864 2005-01-30 4:58:46 PM||   2005-01-30 4:58:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Put your desired name in the "Your Name" box on the comment form, stop erasing your Rantburg cookie, and give it time. What's wrong with "Thraing Hupoluper1864"?
Posted by Tom 2005-01-30 5:14:24 PM||   2005-01-30 5:14:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 If you lost your Rantburg cookie, then a name is generated for you. I think Thraing Hupoluper is a very nice name, but apparently there are 1,863 who had the name before you do.
Posted by Mike Sylwester 2005-01-30 5:27:48 PM||   2005-01-30 5:27:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 I think the number means that the Hupolupers first posted in 1864. Thraing should be proud to be part of the tradition.
Posted by Matt 2005-01-30 5:31:59 PM||   2005-01-30 5:31:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 A couple of years ago a friend bought me as a gift the book "Atomised" by Michel Houellebeck (a European Novelist currently living in Ireland).
I have read about half through the book while I gradually felt an intense need to vomit.
The book is a fairly accurate description of the faithless, pointless, utterly materialistic, masturbating society Europe has become.
I could not bring myself to finish the book because it is so totally depressing.
It may , however, be mandatory reading material for anyone who wants to understand the spiritual abyss into which Europe has fallen.
Be warned though, it is not a very pleasant reading experience.
Posted by EoZ 2005-01-30 5:33:37 PM||   2005-01-30 5:33:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Sigh, I always wish that I'd been named Thraing.
Posted by Uleper Hupains4886 2005-01-30 5:37:32 PM||   2005-01-30 5:37:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Are you a star-bellied Uleper or a plain-bellied Uleper?

It matters to the deep thinkers, y'know.

;-)
Posted by .com 2005-01-30 5:44:55 PM||   2005-01-30 5:44:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 "European: Pay attention to your betters."

This European doesn't even know how to translate a word such as 'better' used as a noun. I can only translate it in the adjectival sense.

"I've always thought the difference between Euros and Americans is that we think of ourselves as citizens and they still think of themselves (if only subconsciously) as subjects."

I thought that was something that was typically used as the distinction between Americans and Brits. But I'm sure the proverb can be modified.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2005-01-30 5:47:29 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/]  2005-01-30 5:47:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Ignore Aris, he's having a bad day already.
Posted by Tom 2005-01-30 5:49:07 PM||   2005-01-30 5:49:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 This is my first post all day long, so what are you talking about?
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2005-01-30 5:59:10 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/]  2005-01-30 5:59:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Talk about your ultimate wingnut. How can the bleeding hearts in Madrid bitch about 72% of the Iraqis voting for their own creators of their own constitution?

Those people need to be swallowed up by a giant Whale and farted out its backside.
Posted by Duke Nukem  2005-01-30 5:59:52 PM||   2005-01-30 5:59:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 And Tom, in regards to #2, you're always always amusing. European eurosceptics (mainly Brits) generally have the opposite argument:
"Ohmigod, it's a Constitution and that's so horrid because a Constitution is so very different from the treaties we had previously, and we don't need no steenking Constitution. Quick, quick, make it more like a treaty."

On the other half those people that only play with the pretense of having specific objections (mainly anti-European Americans) but in reality just either hate the entire continent or atleast the principle of the EU at its core, accuse the Constitution for not being Constitution-like enough.

Ofcourse thus they bring their arguments in opposition to those of the only eurosceptics that actually matter (the ones located in Europe and who oppose moving European Union having any Constitution at all). But idiocy is always self-negating that way.

To sum it up: If you want the European Constitution to become more like a Constitution, less like a treaty, then I agree wholeheartedly with you.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2005-01-30 6:17:28 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/]  2005-01-30 6:17:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 
This European doesn't even know how to translate a word such as 'better' used as a noun. I can only translate it in the adjectival sense.
I'm glad to hear that, Aris.

Unfortunately, too many in Western Europe can't. It appears to me they still accept a "ruling class" which "knows better" in the form of their career politicians. The Phrench seem particularly bad about it, but they're not alone.

I don't remember the exact quote, but somebody in Austria said, when Arnold was elected Governor of California, that it was nice but he shouldn't be the governor, it should be left to the professional politicians.

Riiiiiight.
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2005-01-30 7:37:05 PM||   2005-01-30 7:37:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 "...he's having a bad day already."
"...what are you talking about?"
I'm talking about this article and especially the Madrid protest photo. These are the people with whom you are in union. Even though you are very liberal about all kinds of unions, that must be depressing.
Posted by Tom 2005-01-30 7:47:12 PM||   2005-01-30 7:47:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 These are the people with whom you are in union.

If by that you mean the European Union, we have similar and worse people in Greece, so I'd be in "union" with them regardless, unless I wanted to declare my flat a sovereign nation.

If by "in union" you mean "in agreement", then I'm quite sure that I've never argued against elections in Iraq.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2005-01-30 7:56:02 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/]  2005-01-30 7:56:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 You should declare your flat a sovereign nation. "Katsaristan" has a nice ring to it, but it may draw the wrong crowd.
Posted by Tom 2005-01-30 8:02:03 PM||   2005-01-30 8:02:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 It already has.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-01-30 8:08:42 PM||   2005-01-30 8:08:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 [Tom gives Mrs. D the high five.]
Posted by Tom 2005-01-30 8:11:27 PM||   2005-01-30 8:11:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 Katsaristan: Dissent is not permitted. Bowing and scraping is
Posted by Frank G  2005-01-30 8:19:03 PM||   2005-01-30 8:19:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 I'd wager that most people participating in that Madrid demonstration were from North Africa (the usual LLL moonbats excepted).

You can have similar demonstrations in Seattle or Berkeley. I guess you have to live with them in one union as well.
Posted by True German Ally 2005-01-30 8:21:21 PM||   2005-01-30 8:21:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 or Ann arbor or Boston or....

point taken, TGA
Posted by Frank G  2005-01-30 8:22:30 PM||   2005-01-30 8:22:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 Dang Aris, quality Liver is cheaper than broadband.
Posted by Shipman 2005-01-30 8:38:32 PM||   2005-01-30 8:38:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 or Columbia University from what I read lately
Posted by True German Ally 2005-01-30 8:39:08 PM||   2005-01-30 8:39:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 That article was bitchen.
Posted by JackAssFestival 2005-01-30 8:55:37 PM||   2005-01-30 8:55:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 First, let me say BRAVO....concerning the article. europe's name is indeed COWARDICE.

Second, let me say that aris catshitis, you're a goddamn fool.
Posted by Tom Dooley 2005-01-30 8:58:16 PM||   2005-01-30 8:58:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 TGA - I thought they kind of let that Muslim holiday thing die. Are they still planning on doing that??
Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-01-30 9:32:02 PM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com/]  2005-01-30 9:32:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 It was never planned. The most leftwing Greenie we have (so radical that he had to run without a secure Green list seat) proposed the Muslim holiday and was nearly laughed out of town by all parties (the Muslim organizations excepted of course). This article was written some time ago, the day when that proposition was made... that explains some of the bile. About every German found the idea nuts and it was of course buried.

Die WELT is, of course, the major traditional US and Israel friendly serious daily paper in Germany. I think it's too negative in some respects. The Eastern Europeans (and that would include the East Germans at that time), were no cowards when they faced down their commie governments in 1989. It's true that Ronald Reagan paved the way for Gorbachev's perestroijka, but lets not forget that the Stasi had already set up the camps for the peaceful demonstrators of 1989. Berlin could have lived a Tienanmen moment, with less luck. The demonstrators were well aware of that.
Posted by True German Ally 2005-01-30 9:44:38 PM||   2005-01-30 9:44:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 TrueGermanAlly: The Stasi had already set them up? Where can I get more info about that? The more or less official line on the 'Chinese solution' was that the SED-bonzen balked because they couldn't be sure the troops would obey orders to shoot... and that Mielke gave up on it after the Leipzig demo where they were expecting 8,000 and 80,000 showed up. It is true that all the people participating in 1989 were very brave; nobody knew at the time that the commies wouldn't shoot back.

As for appeasement... the German Left is still sore at everyone for the failure of "die andere Republik". 1989 doesn't mean anything to them. The will of the people doesn't either. We have the same nuts here in Latin America. All they can see is their old and rotten Marxist dogmas, that tell them none of this should ever have happened.
Posted by Hans Averdung  2005-01-30 10:50:01 PM||   2005-01-30 10:50:01 PM|| Front Page Top

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