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2007-12-26 Olde Tyme Religion

Be the Moderate Muslim You're Looking for

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Posted by Fred 2007-12-26 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11134 views ] Top
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#1 A moderate Muslim is one who has not openly picked a side yet. Waiting to determine which is the strong horse. Spineless cowards.

Posted by rjschwarz 2007-12-26 00:57|| 2007-12-26 00:57|| Front Page Top

#2 The vast majority of the worlds 1.5 billion Muslims are indeed moderate, peace-loving people who reject violent extremism and terror.

A predator is not belligerent: it's looking for a meal---not a fight.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2007-12-26 02:10|| 2007-12-26 02:10|| Front Page Top

1.5 billion

How about a group of Muslims Against Overcounting Themselves?

Posted by JSU 2007-12-26 02:22|| 2007-12-26 02:22|| Front Page Top

#4 Muslim bookstores are full of "sahaba" literature, which glorifies the plunder and murders committed by Muhammed and his "companions." The Western media refuse to learn anything of Muslim "sunna" or emulation of the pedophile "prophet." He participated in 59 acts of aggression against innocents and rivals. His first slaughters were against traders, who fell victim to his plunder. Muslims have a low regard for "disbeliever" (kaffir) life. They mix in Western Civilization like oil mixes with water.

Posted by McZoid 2007-12-26 02:58|| 2007-12-26 02:58|| Front Page Top

#5 Since 95+% of the acts of terrorism in the world today are committed by Muslims, Muslims have a much greater responsibility to condemn and demonstrate against these atrocities than non-Muslims - and they have utterly failed to demonstrate in substantial numbers after any of the major terrorist attacks against non-Muslims in the last decade.

Posted by Slats Elmuns6921 2007-12-26 03:03|| 2007-12-26 03:03|| Front Page Top

#6 Compare wid LUCIANNE > OBAMA AND ISLAM. Barack as an Islamic Apostate as viewed by Muslims for converting and practicin' Christianity???

Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-12-26 03:30|| 2007-12-26 03:30|| Front Page Top

#7 Islamic pluralism means there are Muslims who will slice your throat for being infidels and Muslims who will write an op-ed afterward saying that Islam is the ROP. Both can pray together.

Isn't that lovely.

Posted by mhw">mhw 2007-12-26 08:16|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/] 2007-12-26 08:16|| Front Page Top

#8 Speaking of overcounting, Kareem Elbayar is a proud propagandist of the 8 million muslim meme. Gotta outnumber those Jew monkeys. Also 911 was really about poverty. Cause the $300 million dollar man and his 15 fellow Saudi oil teat piglets were oppressed by poverty. Only massive American jizya will make the muslims like us. Oh, and make the Jews give into the Paleos.

Some in the ummah fight the kuffar with the sword, others with the pen.

Posted by ed 2007-12-26 08:58|| 2007-12-26 08:58|| Front Page Top

#9 Yet another "moderate" declaring the extremists are somebody else's problem.

And lining up alongside CAIR.

When Muslim communities in the US expose their members who are holding slaves, rather than come to their defense or ignore them, then we can talk.

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2007-12-26 12:27|| 2007-12-26 12:27|| Front Page Top

#10 the number of meaningfully "moderate" muslims is certainly much smaller than the above article states, as several here have noted. The problem is, there are really four categories -AQ and similar believers in an imminent caliphate, folks with little interest in the caliphate but whose politics are far too radical to be called moderate (like the Khomenist Shia, and folks who use terror for "local" issues like Hamas), fence sitters (as mentioned above) and genuine moderates. The genuine moderates are probably 10% or less of the total. Its not surprising that they have difficulty admitting the problematic nature of the fence sitters. OTOH its still not in our interest to confuse the fence sitters with the actual radicals.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2007-12-26 12:59|| 2007-12-26 12:59|| Front Page Top

#11 OTOH its still not in our interest to confuse the fence sitters with the actual radicals.

This fellow recommends we talk to CAIR. He's neither a moderate nor a fence sitter.

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2007-12-26 13:43|| 2007-12-26 13:43|| Front Page Top

#12 How in the hell do you become a moderate Muslim and follow the terrorist teachings of Muhammad? Do you moderately beat your wife, moderately behead non-muslims?

Reminds me of the moderate Nazis we hear some much about...

Posted by Icerigger">Icerigger 2007-12-26 13:55|| http://coonlakebeach.com/support_mn_troops.htm]">[http://coonlakebeach.com/support_mn_troops.htm] 2007-12-26 13:55|| Front Page Top

#13 Icerigger

You may not like it but there are verses in the Bible, both NT and OT, which could be used (and have been used) to justify violence. Its true that they are far fewer than in the Koran and its also true that Christian and Jewish authorities have interpreted these verses to be either no longer applicable or to refer to very narrow circumstances or similarly to make them inoperative while there are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of imans and mullahs who teach that the koran justifies violence.

Posted by mhw">mhw 2007-12-26 15:26|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/] 2007-12-26 15:26|| Front Page Top

#14 On Saturday night I, a American Christian of English extraction, attended an Eid party with my family. I was one of about eight men socializing in the living room. Most were professionals in their 30s; all except me were of Pakistani origin and Muslim faith. The main subjects of conversation were the housing and mortgage markets, soccer, and politics -- especially the upcoming Pakistani and U.S. elections. Just for the record, they were all hospitable and friendly. And just for the record, they have the same issues with Pakistani and American candidates that I do: the candidates are shallow, self-serving, and are not pursuing the good of the people. Their biggest problem with George Bush is that Bush did not quickly and forcefully condemn Musharif's sacking of the supreme court. They feel the weight of U.S. policy on Pakistan and they want U.S. influence to be positive. They want democracy, not judges swearing allegiance to a dictator. You cannot convince me that these Muslim men are a threat to us. I've felt more threatened by some of my own Christian politically-liberal relatives.

"How in the hell do you become a moderate Muslim and follow the terrorist teachings of Muhammad?"
Good question. And what about moderate Christians who fail to follow the teachings of Jesus? Who here will throw the first stone?

Posted by Darrell 2007-12-26 15:28|| 2007-12-26 15:28|| Front Page Top

#15 "This fellow recommends we talk to CAIR. "

CAIR is a bunch of pansy apologists for folks like Hamas. I got no problem with TALKING to CAIR, just as long as we dont treat CAIR as true moderates, or appoint theyre folks as chaplains, and all that.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2007-12-26 15:37|| 2007-12-26 15:37|| Front Page Top

#16 Good question. And what about moderate Christians who fail to follow the teachings of Jesus? Who here will throw the first stone?

Christ didn't order the beheading of all the men in a tribe and the enslavement and rape of its women.

You can fail to follow Christ's example and still live a peaceful life, treating people well and being a force for good. The only way you can treat people well and live in peace is to ignore Mohammed's example.

It's an unpleasant truth, but a truth none-the-less.

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2007-12-26 15:46|| 2007-12-26 15:46|| Front Page Top

#17
CAIR is a bunch of pansy apologists for folks like Hamas. I got no problem with TALKING to CAIR, just as long as we dont treat CAIR as true moderates, or appoint theyre folks as chaplains, and all that.

Except, of course, we do. And TALKING to them legitimizes them. Ignore them, focus on finding true moderates, and strengthen the voices of the moderates.

CAIR deserves every criminal prosecution they can get; that the press doesn't remind their audience of the long history of terrorist ties with them is disgraceful.

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2007-12-26 15:55|| 2007-12-26 15:55|| Front Page Top

#18 Irshad Manji had an interesting cab ride yesterday,

"... a Sudanese Muslim cab driver went out of his way to show me hospitality [taking a fare after his shift in a rainstorm]. At the same time, however, he proclaimed the genocide in Darfur a Western lie, then endorsed the thrashing of a British teacher involved in the Mohammad teddy bear case,"

The guy is nice but immoderate.

Posted by mhw">mhw 2007-12-26 16:16|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/] 2007-12-26 16:16|| Front Page Top

#19 Irshad Manji had an interesting cab ride yesterday,

"... a Sudanese Muslim cab driver went out of his way to show me hospitality [taking a fare after his shift in a rainstorm]. At the same time, however, he proclaimed the genocide in Darfur a Western lie, then endorsed the thrashing of a British teacher involved in the Mohammad teddy bear case,"

The guy is nice but immoderate.

Posted by mhw">mhw 2007-12-26 16:16|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/] 2007-12-26 16:16|| Front Page Top

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