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2005-11-13 Europe
French Riots: An Everyday Frenchmans Perspective - Must Read!
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Posted by Tony (UK) 2005-11-13 04:37|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11134 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Note the allusion to 'this wouldn't happen in US 'red states'. Interesting times indeed!
Posted by phil_b 2005-11-13 07:50||   2005-11-13 07:50|| Front Page Top

#2 Phil, he didn't use the term "Red States" that's entirely your addition.
He wrote "Villages" that's an entirely different thing, it includes ALL "Small Towns" regardless of Your percieved, and implied "State Color."

Stick your bias up your own ass.
Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-11-13 10:44||   2005-11-13 10:44|| Front Page Top

#3 We all have our bobos...

" "bobo" means bourgeois-boheme ( happy-go-lucky upper middle class) .This degenerate upper middle class controls nearly everything : education, literature, media, justice ..They are poisoned by utopist ideas ( "everybody is nice, peace and love , multiculturalism , world is a village ") and have set a dictatorship of thoughts in France .They believe that their extremely idiot thoughts is well-thinking ("intellectuel")."

"They enjoy a good living and can't (or doesn't want) see reality .All upper middle class in Europe have the same disease."
Posted by Darrell 2005-11-13 10:57||   2005-11-13 10:57|| Front Page Top

#4 phil_b:
State color has nothing to do with it. I live in Pennsylvania, currently a 'blue state' and I guarantee that we have more armed deer hunters here than just about any 'red state' and many more villages here that those Muslim terrorists would not find a warm welcome. In fact we had more Bush voters here in 2004 than every 'red state' except Texas and Florida.
Be careful who you p**s off. It may be friends you might need later.

Posted by Nimrod 2005-11-13 11:19||   2005-11-13 11:19|| Front Page Top

#5 Well said, Nimrod
Posted by mac 2005-11-13 11:27||   2005-11-13 11:27|| Front Page Top

#6 I think Simon has hit the nail on the proverbial head. What distinguishes his analysis of the situation from the talking heads that permeate the media is a distinct tone of brutal honesty. He says a lot of "un-PC" things, but they are entirely too true. Only a fool would fail to acknowledge the social, racial, and economic tributaries feeding the river of unrest now swelling over the banks of the Seine. Yet as Simon has accurately pointed out, the REAL problem is first and foremost a religious one. And the problem is Islam. Or more accurately radical, extremist Islam.

It's my belief that the only effective solution must come from within the Muslim world, itself. Only when the moderate Muslim community takes it upon themselves to vocally speak out against radical Islam and to back their words with action, will we see any genuine improvement.
Posted by eltoroverde 2005-11-13 12:03||   2005-11-13 12:03|| Front Page Top

#7 Bobo is French for limousine liberals except they are far more to the left of and more moonbaty than your liberals.
Posted by JFM">JFM  2005-11-13 13:23||   2005-11-13 13:23|| Front Page Top

#8 This is a good read. Nice to hear this perspective.

Don't make the mistake of thinking all educated middle class people are bobos here in the US. It's not the same at all. We don't have a "class system" here in the USA that is hard wired like they do in France, Europe and also Asia.

As far as a change comming from with in the Muslim world I am listening but not hearing anything. I just don't think it is going to happen. That means tears, pain and death to some folk at some time in the future. Civilizations are grinding together like tectonic plates. The stress will be relived and catastrophic damage will occur.
Posted by Sock Puppet O´ Doom 2005-11-13 13:49||   2005-11-13 13:49|| Front Page Top

#9 No, we're not all bobos here in the U.S. middle class, but I can easily name quite a few bobos who I know.

"We don't have a 'class system' here in the USA that is hard wired like they do in France, Europe and also Asia."
Oh, we do, we are just a little more PC about it. Who mows your lawn, who collects your trash, and who does your dry cleaning? Did their kids go to the same colleges as yours? And would Kennedy or Kerry or Bush or Cheney ever want to have dinner with you? Did their kids go to the same colleges as yours?
Posted by Darrell 2005-11-13 14:12||   2005-11-13 14:12|| Front Page Top

#10  Darrell I treat all those people with respect for the hard work they do. I don't look down on them at all I don't discriminate aginst them and their kids. Kids who I hope will join the ranks of the upper class. In fact I am rooting for them to do so. And Yes they do go to the same schools as my kid did becuse we were not alway middle class.

This town I am in now is so small there is no choice. They all go to the same schools.
Posted by Sock Puppet O´ Doom 2005-11-13 14:31||   2005-11-13 14:31|| Front Page Top

#11 All "their kids" and "your kids" can belong to the same club - the United States Marines. Except the high and the mighty would never allow their children to enlist. Too bad. There is not a more egalatarian institution in the world.

Gee...did I use that 25-cent word correctly? I meant "everybody is the same".
Posted by Bobby 2005-11-13 15:09||   2005-11-13 15:09|| Front Page Top

#12 And BTW, those of you so hard on ol' Phil_B - If you look at the results of the last election by county, you know we have Blue Cities and Red everything-else. Philly carried PA, Chicago carried IL, LA and SF carried Caliphornia, etc.
Posted by Bobby 2005-11-13 15:12||   2005-11-13 15:12|| Front Page Top

#13 I disagree completely, Darrell. Especially today, with so many outer suburbs being built in what until recently were corn fields, and after decades of affirmative action bussing. The schools the trailing daughters go to has everything from multi-generation welfare families (both black and white) to upper middle class Indians... not to mention the original white Baptist and Catholic farmers' kids, and the Hispanic kids, both legal and illegal.

Not to mention that a startlingly high percentage of students at Harvard and other Ivy League schools are there on scholarships -- to help maintain the calibre of the student body. ;-) Nowadays there would have been no room for a John F. Kerry, legacy or not.
Posted by trailing wife 2005-11-13 15:53||   2005-11-13 15:53|| Front Page Top

#14 SPoD, just because you respect them doesn't change the class problem. I respect my garbage collector even more than some upper middle class people I know, but that won't get his kids into the colleges their kids will attend.
Posted by Darrell 2005-11-13 15:57||   2005-11-13 15:57|| Front Page Top

#15 It's my belief that the only effective solution must come from within the Muslim world, itself. Only when the moderate Muslim community takes it upon themselves to vocally speak out against radical Islam and to back their words with action, will we see any genuine improvement.

I could not agree more. So, etv, how to explain the thundering silence emanating from Islam in general?

As far as a change comming from with in the Muslim world I am listening but not hearing anything. I just don't think it is going to happen. That means tears, pain and death to some folk at some time in the future. Civilizations are grinding together like tectonic plates. The stress will be relived and catastrophic damage will occur.

Agreed, SPOD. Only when jihadist imams discover that the "grinding" sound they're hearing is coming from their own bones being pulverized into dust, will anything change. If Muslims refuse to comprehend how such hate mongers must be boycotted, even at the cost of missing daily prayers, then they will needs be immolated along with their jihadist betrayers.

At some point, individual thought and personal responsibility will have to outweigh blind adherence to religious tradition. If a majority of Muslims cannot grasp the importance of boycotting and exposing corrupt leadership, then they become part of the problem and exit all active participation in the solution.
Posted by Zenster 2005-11-13 16:26||   2005-11-13 16:26|| Front Page Top

#16 I think I may have been misinterpreted. I took 'villages' to mean something like the UK term 'middle England'. Meaning where ordinary un-PC Frenchmen live, rather than specifically a rural settlement. Maybe, I should have used 'flyover country' or 'heartland' instead of 'red states'. Remember I'm not an American.

And this was a reference to the French acting like Americans by doing something about Muslim rioters rather than leaving it to the state - the 'normal French reaction.

Should they do it, be sure that they will be welcome by the same kind of "welcoming committee " that in any USA village.

Otherwise, I'm not exactly clear why people got so excited. I thought it interesting the writer was predicting (hoping?) the French would become more like Americans or at least what he perceived Americans to be like.
Posted by phil_b 2005-11-13 17:00||   2005-11-13 17:00|| Front Page Top

#17 bobo" means bourgeois-boheme ( happy-go-lucky upper middle class) .This degenerate upper middle ..They are poisoned by utopist ideas ( "everybody is nice, peace and love , multiculturalism , world is a village ") and They believe that their extremely idiot thoughts is well-thinking ("intellectuel")." "They enjoy a good living and can't (or doesn't want) see reality .All upper middle class in Europe have the same disease."

Wow! Thanks for the new word! So descriptive! So true.

I gotta go with Darrell in this one, cause these are the people I know and know well. Very nice, well meaning, have theater tickets, scour the week-end sections and love to talk about their travel. They have no reason to bother themselves with getting in touch....icky. The group think is stifling. They think themselves at one with their gardeners and maids because they support welfare programs and affirmative action - but their maids and gardeners just think they are spoiled and out of touch.

I think it depends on where you live. If you live in along the coast in California, or inside the beltway, bobos are your friends and neighbors. Happy go lucky... talking of serious dark subjects is forbidden, unless you are bashing Bush.

If you live, in say, Idaho or Kansas, or even blue states, but not the snot-blue areas, then I agree with SPOD.

But we have our bobos. Trust me - I suffer them daily.
Posted by 2b 2005-11-13 17:55||   2005-11-13 17:55|| Front Page Top

#18 Those Muslim bastards never come and put the mess in French countryside villages where most of people are deer-hunters and have hunting guns.

Solution found. "It takes a village."
Posted by Besoeker 2005-11-13 18:40||   2005-11-13 18:40|| Front Page Top

#19 Guys - I think we're all in agreement here.

But please, if you've not read the whole thing, do it - it's a real eye-opener.

Here's a French guy who is sick and tired of his country being sold out by Elitist politicos and the 'intelligentsia' to a bunch of people who don't know nor care about his country. There's no American-bashing in his article. He's one of the good guys.
Posted by Tony (UK) 2005-11-13 19:27||   2005-11-13 19:27|| Front Page Top

#20 The Euros are getting fed up with the Frogs now also according to No Pasaran now that their social model is on the ropes. Let's hope Blair takes advantage of the opportunity to end CAP and make the EU a force for positive change into the future.
Posted by Uneath Grineque4114 2005-11-13 19:37||   2005-11-13 19:37|| Front Page Top

#21 phil_b, I totally agree with what you've written - I think people saw 'Red States' and assumed the worst.

I re-iterate what I wrote as the preamble to this post;


It's a guy in France telling it like it is - his country is being shafted by a Disconnected Elitist Political Class, a Chattering Class that is blind to the destruction being wrought by the policies of the political class and their own Gramscian, Socialist bullshit and the poor sods that end up paying the price when Governments get lousy and the Middle Class are into navel-gazing in a big way.


That could be a description of many countries - my own included.
Posted by Tony (UK) 2005-11-13 19:55||   2005-11-13 19:55|| Front Page Top

#22 I think we are all pretty much in agreement and as for myself, I don't think that he was America bashing. I was just jumping into the side tent re: our own bobos here in the USA. SPOD made a good point not to assume all upper middle class are bobos, cause many are not. But many are. I just love the definition Bobos, because JFM described my neighbors and (some of) my family members to a T.
Posted by 2b 2005-11-13 20:27||   2005-11-13 20:27|| Front Page Top

#23 There is a tea with tapioca called BOBO
Bo Bo Tea

BOBO in a can

SO a BOBO class would be a class with tapioca for brains..
Posted by 3dc 2005-11-13 20:38||   2005-11-13 20:38|| Front Page Top

#24 #16: I think I may have been misinterpreted. I took 'villages' to mean something like the UK term 'middle England.' Meaning where ordinary un-PC Frenchmen live, rather than specifically a rural settlement. Maybe, I should have used 'flyover country' or 'heartland' instead of 'red states'. Remember I'm not an American.

Ah, "Not an American" that explains much, you used a Political term (Red States, meaning voted Republican) incorrectly, thinking it was simply a geographical reference (Nope) and didn't understand the land mine you stepped on.

The wording came across as "The Republican Thugs would respond in this way." (Implication, that "Reasonable" Americans (Democrats) would not respond with force.)

Villages directly translates (To Americans) as "Very Small Towns." Think of "Villages" as Towns of 100 people or less, and you're pretty close to the meaning.

My apologies, as a non-american, you're excused from knowing "Americanisms"
Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-11-13 23:22||   2005-11-13 23:22|| Front Page Top

#25 Now just why did my response to post #16 change the wording of post #23 instead of being posted correctly as post #24?

Moderator? Help please.
Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-11-13 23:30||   2005-11-13 23:30|| Front Page Top

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