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2004-11-09 Europe

The murder that shattered Holland's liberal dream

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Posted by tipper 2004-11-09 10:06:42 AM|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11125 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Observe what happens when progressive liberals get pushed to far. They snap and become the fascists they love to claim everyone else is. One of my biggest fears was that we would do nothing after 9/11 because of the liberal delusion. Then things would get really bad and after a few more major attacks the libs would snap and we'd go on a genocidal killing spree.

Liberals are guided by emotion, not logic, mostly. I remember right after 9/11 many of my liberal friends wanted to kill all muslims and arabs... didn't last long (only as long as they were afraid) but just shows their mindset.

Posted by Damn_Proud_American 2004-11-09 10:28:14 AM|| [http://brighterfuture.blogspot.com] 2004-11-09 10:28:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 It wil be interesting to se the effect the release of his film has on the discusion.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-11-09 10:48:06 AM|| 2004-11-09 10:48:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 The Dutch really have been paying attention.

That is good, there's hope.

As to the different wind blowing, give them up, assimilate and contribute.

Worse time, damn, we were so close.

Posted by anonymous2u 2004-11-09 11:05:13 AM|| 2004-11-09 11:05:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 The future, Samir believes, is grim. âWe are hated now,â the teenager said, leaning over the handlebars of his bicycle. âWhatever we do will be wrong, everything we say will be wrong, everywhere we go will be wrong.â

It all depends on just what Samir has in mind. If al he's going to do is remain silent, unwilling to go on the record as being opposed to Muslim extremism, then his fears are going to be realized.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-11-09 11:09:06 AM|| 2004-11-09 11:09:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 None of you guys read down this far?:

[Van Gogh's latest] film implies that the Dutch security services allowed Fortuyn to die, under pressure from American businesses anxious to conclude an arms deal that he opposed.

That's it! We'll blame the Americans! OK, now we're back in familiar territory, and all is well. Here's a viewpoint everyone can agree on! Whew!

Posted by Angie Schultz 2004-11-09 11:11:31 AM|| [http://darkblogules.blogspot.com] 2004-11-09 11:11:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 The future looks grim, never the less Samir doesn't have to worry to much as the demographic developments are in his favour. A large number of Dutch will leave the city areas and even go abroad. The number of emigration requests has risen big time in the last week. Let's see what will win sharia or democracy.....

Posted by Dutchgeek 2004-11-09 11:20:17 AM|| 2004-11-09 11:20:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 âThis could not have come at a worse timeâ

As there numbers are not yet at critical mass. Better get busy Dutchies.

Posted by Lucky 2004-11-09 11:41:18 AM|| 2004-11-09 11:41:18 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 DG: What is an emigration request? Do you need permission from the Dutch state in order to emigrate to another country?

Posted by Classical_Liberal 2004-11-09 11:44:16 AM|| 2004-11-09 11:44:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 I think a bigger candlelight vigil, I mean a really big honker of symbolism is in order. We could reenforce them from the left coast with stiltmen, puppets and perhaps even a light pink tank squandron.

Posted by Shipman 2004-11-09 11:47:28 AM|| 2004-11-09 11:47:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 The question is will the rest of Europe "get it" or feign taking the higher ground and chastise the impending (yet weak) changes will flow down the Dutch pipe.

Angie >> Well, it was either us or the Jooos, and they do have a Jewish Mayor. (SMILE)

"AMERICA! Less liked than the Jews!" Must be a first from the Euro point of view.

Posted by 98zulu 2004-11-09 1:00:55 PM|| 2004-11-09 1:00:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Can we trade our lefties for their
conservatives?

Posted by Brutus 2004-11-09 3:27:34 PM|| 2004-11-09 3:27:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 [Van Gogh's last] film implies that the Dutch security services allowed Fortuyn to die, under pressure from American businesses anxious to conclude an arms deal that he opposed.

Holland and Europe's problem goes beyond their muslims. Clearly, there is a form of decadence afflicting their cultural and political classes that's inclined toward all manner of idiotic conspiracy theories. Pretty hard to unite your fellow citizens when you too believe in yankee zionist capitalist conspiracies.

Posted by lex 2004-11-09 3:37:01 PM|| 2004-11-09 3:37:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 That's a lovely Lensman reference, there. Rantburg is the site for cynics. (Realists, too, I guess.)

Posted by Toastchee 2004-11-09 4:47:01 PM|| 2004-11-09 4:47:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Ali, 34, is now protected by special police bodyguards, as is a second member of the Dutch parliament, a maverick rightwinger, who has also been critical of Islam. âI feel guilty... and very much afraid,â Ali told a Dutch newspaper after the killing. The second note indicated that the alleged murderer, known as Mohammed B, expected to be shot dead by police. âThis is my last word, bored through by bullets, anointed in blood as I hoped,â it reads.

The former is a call for hatred towards America, the latter is the natural desire for greatness that everyone aspires to. If you object to other nations or continents wanting to be The Best, that's your own problem and your own hostility.

Posted by A nuanced view 2004-11-09 6:21:50 PM|| 2004-11-09 6:21:50 PM|| Front Page Top

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