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2012-11-07 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by tipper 2012-11-07 00:07|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11126 views ] Top

#1 Given his administration's behavior, what exactly would he have to do to not be reelected? At least we have the House. Until another idiot Congressman starts blathering on about how God says we should run the USA.

Posted by gorb 2012-11-07 00:14|| 2012-11-07 00:14|| Front Page Top

#2 This is not my country anymore; the Long March through the institutions has succeeded, and it's just plain over. Instapundit reader Zach White says it better than I can:

If Obama is reelected, good hardworking people should give up and go Galt. The tipping point is the 2012 election. Will the makers finally succumb to the takers? Its pointless to think that if America reelects the most unqualified disastrous president in recent memory, we should stand our ground and continue fighting. its a signal that marxist free-lunchism and free birth control for everyone trump economic well-being and prosperity in the minds of the masses. Give up. Go Galt. Protect what few assets you have left, and start to hunker down for the coming storm.

America is beyond screwed, well past the fiscal insanity of a number of EU countries. Think of it this way we sit and watch California destroy itself and wonder who could be so foolish as to remain there and dedicate himself to indentured servitude in a state headed for disaster. Why dont those fools just leave!! Same for Venezuela. as they descend into chaos and totalitarianism, do they reject Chavez more? The answer is plainly no. The spiral down the drain is irreversible and obvious. The more the government creates misery, the more they create programs to help people cope with the misery theyve created, and we achieve a perpetual negative feedback loop.

My advice is simple if Obama is reelected, get a lawyer and a financial advisor, cash out as much of your assets as you can, and prepare yourself for a nosedive off a cliff. anything else would be imprudent and irresponsible to yourself and your dependents. Who wants to be a Dagny Taggart dedicating themselves to a life of indentured servitude trying to correct the wrongs of a heavy handed government? i will not be volunteering. I didnt give up on America, America gave up on me.

Posted by Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo) 2012-11-07 00:16|| 2012-11-07 00:16|| Front Page Top

#3 Afraid we're going to be hearing stories about how America used to be. We're essentially a EU now, pining for the glory days while the younger generation(Mine) eat what's left of the rotting corpse.

I fully expect not only a market collapse in small business and unemployment to skyrocket in the following months, but within the next few years a WMD terrorist attack.

Also big shout out to Governor Christie for giving Obama the appearance of competence. Sure your states in ruin and FEMA is nowhere in sight, but you FEEL better don't you? Freagin hack.

Posted by Charles 2012-11-07 00:41|| 2012-11-07 00:41|| Front Page Top

#4 Apparently Americans want to go the Greece route. This isn't the country and ideas I fought and bled for.

The first state that declares secession I am moving to.

Posted by DarthVader 2012-11-07 00:54|| 2012-11-07 00:54|| Front Page Top

#5 IMHO, the Trunks shouldn't do a fucking thing to stand in the way of Ogabe's 2nd term aganda. The attitude should be "you told us what you wanted, so we're going to make sure you get it...good and hard." Maybe after a few years of 40% unemployment followed by hyperinflation and a city or two under radioactive mushroom clouds, some minds just might get a little concentrated.

Posted by Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo) 2012-11-07 01:06|| 2012-11-07 01:06|| Front Page Top

#6 Which will be spun to blame the Republicans. It might work if we weren't in charge of the House. Though it is Boehner.

More than anything I blame Sandy and Christie. Gave Obama the last-minute look of Competence he needed. My Generation are idiots. I'm so ashamed. But this isn't over, as long as we breathe it isn't over. 2004 Democrats must have felt like this. And we're still here.

Keep on trucking.

Posted by Charles 2012-11-07 01:18|| 2012-11-07 01:18|| Front Page Top

#7 I have been mulling this over in recent weeks and it seems apparent to me that the America I grew up in has changed. I considered this election a simple crossroads. I had hoped for a large victory for Romney, repudiating Obama's ideology within the Democratic Party, but this did not happen. Even a Romney victory of a miniscule margin would have been a signal within that party that the ideology he espouses may not be the direction for the Dem.'s. How this translates to me is that the voter population and their ideology is swinging to one that approves of Obama's performance and, therefore, his ideology. 8% unemployment is now "ok", $4000 in average lost wages of the middle class is now "ok", over a trillion a year in debt is "ok", these are fundamental economic failures of a presidency, but at least 50% of the voters do not think so. There is a serious disconnect there. I do not feel that Obama won, I feel like Romney lost. This game was for all the marbles, we just lost them. I do not know if we can get them back.

Posted by jefe101 2012-11-07 01:37|| 2012-11-07 01:37|| Front Page Top

#8 But this isn't over, as long as we breathe it isn't over. 2004 Democrats must have felt like this. And we're still here.
Keep on trucking.

Charles, I wish I could be even as teeny-tiny optimistic as you are - God knows, you gotta love anyone who can keep searching for the pony in this unmitigated pile of horseshit. But the fact is that the 1960's Left has been working toward exactly this moment for the past forty years and more. It began when the SDSers went to grad school and J-school, or became public-school teachers; it advanced even further when Slick Willy used triangulation and a rightward political tack to hide his throwing open of the Mexican border and his corruption of the voting rolls via the "motor voter law." Obama is the poisonous fruit of a tree with roots that are now very, very deep. The ultimate objectives of the "Long March through the institutions" have been visible to anyone who cared enough to do a little research - economic collapse at home and weakness abroad. That's what the majority has chosen.

Posted by Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo) 2012-11-07 01:41|| 2012-11-07 01:41|| Front Page Top

#9 Goodbye, America - Hello, Amerika, of the OWG Mighty USSA versus OWG Weak USRoA Global SSR, at least until our Socialist comrades in either Chinese or Radical Islam take over from us ideo andor spiritually "impure" Westies.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2012-11-07 02:10|| 2012-11-07 02:10|| Front Page Top

#10 Support democracy until your guy loses.

Posted by Hypocrite 2012-11-07 03:04|| 2012-11-07 03:04|| Front Page Top

#11 Just checked in for my morning fix of paranoia.

Mushroom clouds, dirty bombs, economic meltdown... Rantburg never fails to deliver.

Posted by Flinert Clunk9181 2012-11-07 03:25|| 2012-11-07 03:25|| Front Page Top

#12 Whoops, forgot to mention the commies and the fact that we'll all be praying to Mecca. also aliens might invade under Obama as they'll see how he let OBL of the hook.

Posted by Flinert Clunk9181 2012-11-07 03:28|| 2012-11-07 03:28|| Front Page Top

#13 I demand immediate censorship of the above posts. Freedom of speech is for pinkos! Delete now!

Few things are worse than anonymous commenters who troll and gloat the morning after an election. Are you genetically engineered to be an asshole, Flinert?

AoS

He's not anonymous, he's our old idiot Israel4Jews.

Posted by Flinert Clunk9181 2012-11-07 03:29|| 2012-11-07 03:29|| Front Page Top

#14 Economic meltdown is unfortunately not far off. You cannot keep borrowing (in reality printing) money for ever, without consequences. All of them bad.

I thought there was some chance of avoiding the meltdown if Romney was elected, but now there is none.

Economic interdependence is a powerful dis-incentive to wars, because you cannot hurt your enemy without hurting yourself.

One consequence of the economic meltdown will be a collapse in world trade and a rise in the number of wars.

I have seen the future*, and its a world full of Argentinas and Greeces.

*Allusion to that Communist apologist whose name I forget.

Posted by phil_b 2012-11-07 04:24|| 2012-11-07 04:24|| Front Page Top

#15 >I thought there was some chance of avoiding the meltdown if Romney was elected, but now there is none.

There wasn't really. Romney would only have delayed the time it arrived. You'll just have to move forward plans to cope with the economic suicide you will see around you.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2012-11-07 04:30|| 2012-11-07 04:30|| Front Page Top

#16 You'll just have to move forward plans to cope with the economic suicide you will see around you. Yep.
-- I can only hope the future is not a variation on this tune:
http://tu.tv/videos/stairway-to-lenin

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2012-11-07 05:42|| 2012-11-07 05:42|| Front Page Top

#17 "Economic meltdown is unfortunately not far off. You cannot keep borrowing (in reality printing) money for ever, without consequences"

The US spends more on "defence" than the rest of the world put together. Its economy is nowhere near 50% of global GDP. It isn't rocket science. Billions spent in Iraq, looking for WMDs that didn't exist.

But you're right - it can't go on, and it won't go on. The US can't afford these adventures - but the guys who sell the weapons are driving much nicer cars than you now.

Posted by PlaneSPeeker 2012-11-07 06:16|| 2012-11-07 06:16|| Front Page Top

#18 BP, all of our family income comes from gold mining. So I don't need to sweat this as much as most.

But time to increase stocks of stuff.

Posted by phil_b 2012-11-07 06:20|| 2012-11-07 06:20|| Front Page Top

#19 phil_b

Buy some farm-land.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2012-11-07 07:03|| 2012-11-07 07:03|| Front Page Top

#20 Gold is as safe an economic factor as there probably is right now. So you're set. The rest of us are going to start digging in our backyards for diamonds.

Posted by Charles 2012-11-07 07:17|| 2012-11-07 07:17|| Front Page Top

#21 Why gold? If you truly believe economic disaster is coming wjy not run up the credit cards before the crash?

Posted by Rjschwarz 2012-11-07 07:26|| 2012-11-07 07:26|| Front Page Top

#22 We've survived worse.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2012-11-07 07:29|| 2012-11-07 07:29|| Front Page Top

#23 A reminder - THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. Britain, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but "to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER" and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God.
- Thomas Paine, The Crisis, December 1776

Posted by Procopius2k 2012-11-07 07:48|| 2012-11-07 07:48|| Front Page Top

#24 Kudos to all for not feeding the troll.
He was super annoying though.

Posted by Phusock Unitch8015 2012-11-07 08:28|| 2012-11-07 08:28|| Front Page Top

#25 Don't forget that Obama will now be able to appoint 1 and possible 2 Supreme Court Justices.

That is going to tip the balance. Goodbye 1st and 2nd amendments - to be followed quickly by the other 7 (the 10th is already dead). Oh they will still be there - but ignored much like the 10th is now.

Domestic energy will be even more limited - driving up fuel prices and everything else. The EPA will have a free reign to destroy businesses. Goodbye coal industry.

Posted by CrazyFool 2012-11-07 08:29|| 2012-11-07 08:29|| Front Page Top

#26 How long before california defaults? Something has got to give and I cant see how the Feds can prop up California.

Posted by Rjschwarz 2012-11-07 08:51|| 2012-11-07 08:51|| Front Page Top

#27 Strap yourselves in, it is going to be a rough ride. Prepare.

Posted by JohnQC 2012-11-07 08:53|| 2012-11-07 08:53|| Front Page Top

#28 Your future in book form

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2012-11-07 09:25|| 2012-11-07 09:25|| Front Page Top

#29 The day America gave up on itself.

Posted by Iblis 2012-11-07 09:47|| 2012-11-07 09:47|| Front Page Top

#30 I'm going to pick a different book BP: Atlas Shrugged. (Though I liked Fallen Angels.) Rand pretty much predicted this. Next step: hyperinflation, followed by large scale governent seizure of private property. Then the social "die off."

Posted by Secret Master 2012-11-07 10:17|| 2012-11-07 10:17|| Front Page Top

#31 I have so wanted to call Akin & Mourdock's offices and tell them thanks for truly raping America.

Posted by Beavis 2012-11-07 10:55|| 2012-11-07 10:55|| Front Page Top

#32 Economic meltdown is unfortunately not far off. You cannot keep borrowing (in reality printing) money for ever, without consequences. All of them bad.

I thought there was some chance of avoiding the meltdown if Romney was elected, but now there is none.

Romney lost because the economy, while anemic, is recovering from the recession of 2008 due to a Federal debt binge and money-printing by the central bank, and Obama is getting the credit, just as Bush got the credit for the boom that followed 9/11, as Greenspan opened the credit spigots and Congress practically forced banks to lend to NINJA (no income, no jobs or assets) borrowers. If the inevitable economic crash occurs before 2016, the GOP will be in a position to participate in another wave election like Obamas in 2008, but this time in the GOPs favor.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2012-11-07 11:01|| 2012-11-07 11:01|| Front Page Top

#33 'Master - I think following (or more likely during) the large scale seizure of private property some patriot goes Fort Sumpter on a statist and CW2 kicks off. The military will divide up, or, will stand aside. Or, many of them will decide to support and defend the Const against all enemies, foreign & domestic. Business owners will start going Galt during the hyperinflation phase. BTW - I think stock market took dive today - right on cue.

Posted by Broadhead6 2012-11-07 11:07|| 2012-11-07 11:07|| Front Page Top

#34 You know, it really could be worse....imagine if the Roseanne Barr/Cindi Sheehan ticket had prevailed...

Posted by Chuck al ameriki 2012-11-07 11:15|| 2012-11-07 11:15|| Front Page Top

#35 & a most photogenic ticket if ever there was!

Posted by Broadhead6 2012-11-07 11:21|| 2012-11-07 11:21|| Front Page Top

#36 Broadhead - Rand also didn't factor in racial or identity issues into the equation. (She was born Jewish in Russia, and instinctively shied away from that kind of thing.) She tended to see people as acting from rational, individual self-interest. But a lot of us simply aren't individualistic, rationally or otherwise. A shockingly large number of Americans are members of their tribe first (whatever that might be) - and punnishing that tribe's enemies comes before everything else. Even their own interests. Even the interests of their tribe, sometimes.

And now *everyone* is going to get some basic lessons in reality the hard way.

Posted by Secret Master 2012-11-07 11:29|| 2012-11-07 11:29|| Front Page Top

#37 The financial markets are "voting" today on the re-election of the POTUS.

Dow dives 350+ points, sinks below 13,000.

Wall Street drops more than 2 percent

Posted by Au Auric 2012-11-07 11:39|| 2012-11-07 11:39|| Front Page Top

#38 The financial markets are "voting" today on the re-election of the POTUS.

Dow dives 350+ points, sinks below 13,000.

Geitner will just fire up the printing press

Posted by Beavis 2012-11-07 11:44|| 2012-11-07 11:44|| Front Page Top

#39 Financial markets and DOW nosedive?

Who cares? Its not like Financial markets or the DOW actually produces anything. You didn't build that! ( /SARC )

The people have spoken - no more need to get a job or produce anything. Obama will provide everything you could ever need - healthcare, abortion on demand, -- everything out of his magic stash!

/SARC

Posted by CrazyFool 2012-11-07 11:49|| 2012-11-07 11:49|| Front Page Top

#40 Alexis de Tocqueville is credited with saying that a democracy can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.

From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years..

Posted by Sherry 2012-11-07 13:09|| 2012-11-07 13:09|| Front Page Top

#41 You can only tax the productive society so much before they get unproductive and realize it is a fool's game. You can only print so much money before it becomes valueless and buys nothing. You can only take a person's earnings, property and wealth and give it to someone else before burning resentment results. You can only divide and conquer so much before you reap what you sow. You can only sew vengence and hatred so much before it spills out of its vessel. You cannot have both freedom and statism at the same time. At some point you go beyond the point of no return and the system collapses and anarchy ensues. Governments can only tax and spend. They create no wealth, they create no value. When government over-regulates an economy, it is to the detriment of its people and a free society. If the morality, free speech, education and truth in a society are destroyed then there is no compass for that society; examples of this are abundant.

Posted by JohnQC 2012-11-07 14:13|| 2012-11-07 14:13|| Front Page Top

#42 Your future in book form

I vote for "The Jupiter Theft"

In future America descendants of the present day public sector employees are hereditary nobility. Private sector's are serfs.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2012-11-07 14:16|| 2012-11-07 14:16|| Front Page Top

#43 From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy..
Sherry, or as Bill O'Reilly say "People want stuff"

Posted by tipper 2012-11-07 14:38|| 2012-11-07 14:38|| Front Page Top

#44 Hear, hear, #41 John.

You can bet your ass I'll make just enough for my needs - to hell with the moochers. I can't control what I earn from my actual job (they say jump, I jump), but I can sure as hell control what (or if) I earn from my part-time business.

If I don't earn it, they can't tax it away to give to the freeloaders. >:-(

Posted by Barbara 2012-11-07 14:54|| 2012-11-07 14:54|| Front Page Top

#45 You will become like the UK where the people at the top and bottom dont pay tax.

Hence the squeezed middle who are totally pissed off and moving to Canada, Australia etc

Future dont look good.

Posted by Fester Clunter7205 2012-11-07 16:48|| 2012-11-07 16:48|| Front Page Top

#46 Gnashing teeth is fine for a day. Tomorrow is another day.
Let's face it: Americans were ready to fire Obama, but not ready to hire Romney.

Get a young energetic candidate, a person with a clear vision, not with flip flop views, and get back to work.

Senate in 2 years, White House in 4.

Posted by European Conservative 2012-11-07 16:55|| 2012-11-07 16:55|| Front Page Top

#47 > Governments can only tax and spend. They create no wealth, they create no value.

That's not completely true. They create property security e.g. land rights, and IP rights such as copyrights and patents. They also perform contract arbitration.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2012-11-07 17:15|| 2012-11-07 17:15|| Front Page Top

#48 I don't know if I would call that wealth creation but rather wealth facilitation.

Much like the roads, bridges, etc... They facilitate wealth creation but do not create wealth themselves.

Posted by CrazyFool 2012-11-07 17:45|| 2012-11-07 17:45|| Front Page Top

#49 63,000,000 outlaws who will refuse to participate in radical socialism is exactly what this election told the left. :)

Posted by wr 2012-11-07 18:01|| 2012-11-07 18:01|| Front Page Top

#50 Good grief.

Kneecapping on Aisles 50 and 51, please.

Posted by Barbara 2012-11-07 18:54|| 2012-11-07 18:54|| Front Page Top

#51 "Governments can only tax and spend. They create no wealth, they create no value."

Actually, this one at least creates wealth - for Bambi's cronies - by stealing it from us and forking it over for "projects" that are pre-destined to fail ~~once the big-wigs put millions into their own pockets~~. >:-(

Posted by Barbara 2012-11-07 18:59|| 2012-11-07 18:59|| Front Page Top

#52 Barb - not to differ but that is wealth redistribution not wealth creation.

(Otherwise known as stealing)

Posted by CrazyFool 2012-11-07 20:14|| 2012-11-07 20:14|| Front Page Top

#53 We have this thread to commiserate.

Tomorrow everyone hit the showers, the jacuzzi and the weight room.

Get ready to strap on the pads.

The debt ceiling is reached next month and the Bush tax cuts end the following month.

Posted by badanov 2012-11-07 20:37|| http://www.freefirezone.org 2012-11-07 20:37|| Front Page Top

#54 Entirely true, CF.

It's wealth "creation" as in "I'll steal from these suckers (calling it "taxes" nudge, nudge, wink, wink) and give it to you and you'll give me some of it back in the form of campaign donations, and then we'll both be wealthy." >:-(

Posted by Barbara 2012-11-07 20:45|| 2012-11-07 20:45|| Front Page Top

#55 I would like to see some conservatives set up a movie studio in Texas that can create movies full of action and heroes. Start to take the culture back in a format I think would make money.

Posted by rjschwarz 2012-11-07 20:59|| 2012-11-07 20:59|| Front Page Top

#56 RJ, that is a good idea. Westerns, war flicks, detective shows, no lib horse shit. Damn, wish I'd thought of that - Texas, Carolinas, Flyover states...Wilmington, NC already does a lot of films...And as tongue-in-cheek joke at hollywood we could call it Peckerwood or Redwood...

Posted by Broadhead6 2012-11-07 21:29|| 2012-11-07 21:29|| Front Page Top

#57 It's been 22 hours...WHERE'S MY FREE STUFF!!!
You know what I did last night while I was listening to this debacle? I looked into buying a gun. Never owned one in my life. But I got a feeling I may just need one....

Posted by tu3031 2012-11-07 22:00|| 2012-11-07 22:00|| Front Page Top

#58 tu, handgun, shotgun, or long rifle? (this could probably wind up as its own thread knowing the depth of talent and knowledge on the 'burg)

Posted by Broadhead6 2012-11-07 22:15|| 2012-11-07 22:15|| Front Page Top

#59 Gun and ammunition sales have been high since 2007, as I recall, and on by both sides of the aisle. You may have to shop a list of decreasing desirability if you don't want to deal with backorders, tu3031.

Posted by trailing wife 2012-11-07 22:38|| 2012-11-07 22:38|| Front Page Top

#60 I got an uncle who's got a federal firearms license. Lifetime NRA, the whole deal. He'd be the guy I'd talk to if I decide to do it. Seeing how this is Massachsetts, I sure they make you jump through a million hoops.
Showed me his collection one night. Keeps it in a huge gun safe. Woah...I know where I'm heading if the revolution starts.

Posted by tu3031 2012-11-07 22:54|| 2012-11-07 22:54|| Front Page Top

#61 That'd be an interesting thread, BH.
Gentlemen? And ladies?

Posted by tu3031 2012-11-07 23:02|| 2012-11-07 23:02|| Front Page Top

#62 tu3031 -- I have one ---- but, you might consider saving money, 'cause the UN with Obama's spearheading it, will only take it away from you.... they know where you live.....

Posted by Sherry 2012-11-07 23:24|| 2012-11-07 23:24|| Front Page Top

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