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2016-10-19 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by badanov 2016-10-19 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 Sorry Badanov, this analogy does not hold water. Try as you might, Hillary is not Hitler. She is not a populist (although Trump is), she is not a Nationalist (although Trump is), and she is not a racist (nether of them are). She will begin as a cripple president, and likely will collapse in office despite the efforts to Humpty Dumpty her presidency.

Also, I find your argument weak.

First, Convincing me to vote AGAINST is not the same thing as convincing me to vote FOR. Forget for a moment about Hillary - find something other than smoke, mirrors and hop that convinces me that Trump is fit for office, that he will be effective, that he will promote the things I want - like smaller government (no), constitutionalism (no), 2nd amendment (his history says no), opposing progressivism (no), etc. Recently he is finally making some points with term limits, so there is that, but that's a Congressional/State function, so its a moot point for a President.

Secondarily: If my soul is at issue, then you are recommending I taint it by endorsing a lesser evil? That's still endorsing/promoting evil. Sorry, that's utterly unconvincing, I suggest you stop trying that as a moral argument unless you like losing.

My main objection to this whole badly argued position is it reeks of moral relativism.

Moral relativism and "the ends justify the means" are the argument of socialist, progressives and dictatorships; yet this, in essence, is what you are proposing with this analogy. Just stop - you have become what you oppose.

But ultimately it does not matte r- Trump is losing and will lose because he is a horrible man (narcissist and egoist who is blind to his own faults and blames others for his failures, believes because he is rich morals and laws and decency do not apply to him) and an incompetent candidate and an incompetent campaigner. Any one or even 2 of these might have been overcome, even in the face of a hostile press. But not all 3.

And this is why we warned you about Trump a long time ago. The "Dale" types didn't listen and drank the poisoned koolaide blindly, the "Fred" types went along because they were angry at the Beltway GOP, and now we are stuck with this looming disaster.

Don't come to us expecting us to help you further screw things up. We are preparing for the fight to come - fighting President Hillary that you have made happen. Its going to be nasty mainly because you are burning down other conservatives (Lee, Sasse, Cruz, Rubio who is conservative other than immigration) instead of going after the beltway squishes like KY McConnell & TX Cornyn and the machine candidates like the zombie Thad Chochran from Mississippi.

Putting a spine into them or replacing them is going to be the hard work that faces us now.

The time for offensives is done - you are delusional if you thing you are fighting anything other than a Dunkirk at this point.

Posted by OldSpook 2016-10-19 00:59|| 2016-10-19 00:59|| Front Page Top

#2 FYI, latest poll is that Trump may lose Texas. Thats right, TEXAS. Trump people were warned about this, you screwed up nominating this clown, and now you're surprised by the end result?

You cited the polls for your win back in the spring, endlessly. But you ignored the other part of those polls. The part that had Trump as the only candidate to consistently be a loser to Hillary in over a dozen polls. YOU DIDNT LISTEN. Facts are facts. They are hard things.

Yet you proceeded anyway. This one is on you who supported him, for nominating a guy so bad that a large portion of the party will not vote for him, and who has been utterly a disaster as a candidate, as many predicted. These October surprises are hardly surprises at all - and are all the worse because that idiot narcissist blocked his own people from doing the Opposition Research that could have headed this stuff off. Picking fights with a Gold Star Family instead of being the bigger man and moving the news back to Hillary and her corruption on Benghazi. Going after Ted Cruz well after the nomination was over with and the convention done - instead of going after Hillary and the Emails. Blowing the WikiLeaks Dem party corruption out of the headlines by tweeting stupidly at his "bimbo" accusers. Offending Mormons directly and ignoring their concerns, with a "screw you, you went Cruz so we don't need you" attitude - which may cost him Utah and the election.

I could go on and on. But you see my point. This could have been avoided, and it hasn't been.

That's why Trump is going to lose. And to support him is to support the self-destructive (to those who value liberty) attacks he is making on conservatives and others who refuse to kiss his ass. Sorry, No. I will not vote for him and reinforce YOUR mistake. He is going to lose anyway, by driving away far more people than he brings in.

Posted by OldSpook 2016-10-19 01:12|| 2016-10-19 01:12|| Front Page Top

#3 I told you this would be a disaster back in the spring. After seeing this, I expected the next 4 years to be a hard slog against President Hillary. You put him there, you own him, you own his mistakes, you own his loss, you own President Hillary.

Guess what? You were wrong. I was right. You were self-deluding. Own it.

I was one of the ones whom you Trump people and the koolaide crowd (including the anti-semites and class/race-warriors) told "we won, we beat you and we don't want you or your conservatism, we can and will win without you".

And guess what else? I'm holding you to your word on that.

And that's that. Look no further than your mirror if you want someone to blame. Those of us who fight for our principles are getting ready to clean up your mess.

Posted by OldSpook 2016-10-19 01:17|| 2016-10-19 01:17|| Front Page Top

#4 I could go on and on.

Really ?

Posted by Besoeker 2016-10-19 01:34|| 2016-10-19 01:34|| Front Page Top

#5 Polls are wrong because they do not capture the silent majority. That is why you lose.

Guess what Mister Morals, DONALD TRUMP will WIN without you and the other fakes and haters.

Get on the #TRUMPTRAIN or else you are nothing more than a Hillary booster and a criminal assistance!

Posted by Grusose Jinetch1147 2016-10-19 02:17|| 2016-10-19 02:17|| Front Page Top

#6 Ifind your argument weak.

Oh, good, coz I didn't write it.

Posted by badanov 2016-10-19 06:30|| http://www.chriscovert.net 2016-10-19 06:30|| Front Page Top

#7 The biggest point that this type of analysis misses is the reaction of the deep-state, insiders to the two choices.

If Hillary wins you can kiss good bye to anything resembling rule of law and checks and balances because those charged with providing those are totally sold out. The media will never ever broadcast the evidence of galloping authoritarianism, the IRS oppression, the total shut down of law against corrupt pols. Bureaucrats will rule at the behest of the lobbiests setting regulations to allow anyone to be arrested at any time.

If Trump wins, the media and the bureaucracy will fight him tooth and nail providing visibility to any and all peccadilloes. This, too me, is our only safegaurd against a dismal future.

So, Mr. Spook, what is the best way forward from our current position. Trump was never my choice until he was the nominee. I would have preferred Walker or Cruz but that isn't the choice I have now so I'm all for lessening the damage as much as possible.

Posted by AlanC 2016-10-19 08:12|| 2016-10-19 08:12|| Front Page Top

#8 Those of us who fight for our principles are getting ready to clean up your mess.

So letting the devil herself win the presidency now constitutes "fighting for our principles", eh?

Posted by Crusader 2016-10-19 10:14|| 2016-10-19 10:14|| Front Page Top

#9 OldSpook, if you're OK with Hillary turning the United States into a Third World country then vote for her. If you like her vision of a world wide socialist and borderless police state then go for it. But you've just written three big, long comments attempting to justify your decision that kinda make it look like you're having trouble justifying it to your own self.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2016-10-19 10:53|| 2016-10-19 10:53|| Front Page Top

#10 Beer circle out here says even if you don't like Trump, and want him to fail, then elect him and watch every check and balance suddenly be enforced, he will be embarrassed, and likely primaried in four years if not impeached beforehand, which would bring us President Pence.

Posted by swksvolFF 2016-10-19 15:27|| 2016-10-19 15:27|| Front Page Top

#11 OS has been entirely consistent in his view from very early on. And he was right. But that's history, mitigation of damages is the the name of the game. Hold one House of Congress at all costs, I fear the Senate is gone, but only for 2 years, hold the house! A house seat lost is a bitch to recover.

Well, at least this cycle we formed the circular firing squad before the election, something of a break-thru.

Now, I figure I am the only RINO in the joint, can we figure what a "real Republican is?" I reserve the right to chime in. Do recall that the last great RINO President said, the 11th Commandment, Thou Shall Not Peak ill of another Republican?

Yeah. I am more than a bit with crazy OS, we've blown both our feet off for real this time.

But a new Party will emerge, nothing new here.

Posted by Shipman 2016-10-19 15:52|| 2016-10-19 15:52|| Front Page Top

#12 ...can we figure what a "real Republican" is?

We believe in the Constitution, even when things get "icky" because of the 1st and 2nd Amendment.

We believe in free enterprise, and the right to conduct business free of undue burden.

We acknowledge that tax money isn't "ours"--it came from the pockets of those who work for it. We spend it wisely, and we're ever cautious about creating programs that disincentivise people and businesses to provide for themselves.

We believe in our borders, and the security of our country, and believe that it trumps everything except our Constitution.

We support our military. We make sure they have the tools they need to succeed. We remember that they may ultimately be called upon to wage significant combat, and we refrain from weighing them down with frilly feel-good political correctness concerns.

We'd like to help the world, but not in a cavalier way that imperils our soldiers for no clearly enunciated gain.

We have principles that guide which nations we will be chummy with. IF there is a strategic gain to be had by doing some project with a nation that violates those basic principles, we won't whitewash their shortcomings. Instead we will acknowledge their flaws, and enunciate what is to be gained for holding our nose while working with them.

Posted by Crusader 2016-10-19 16:36|| 2016-10-19 16:36|| Front Page Top

#13 I have always looked for the thoughtful posts from OldSpook and so I will respectfully agree that he is more right than wrong and was prescient about what might play out if Trump was the nominee.
Having just returned from my first trip to Poland, a trip that had a heavy historic bent, I am wondering if better analogy might be the political calculus that Polish nationals went through from 1939 through early 1945- Having no "Polish" political alternative, is it better to through in with the Nazi's from the west who are going to slave labor you to death in a very efficient manner (PS Went to Aushwitz- still stinks of evil) or prefer to be ruled by barbarians like the Russians coming from the east fully capable of slaughtering a generation of military leadership in the forests of Katyn?

Posted by Capsu78 2016-10-19 18:22|| 2016-10-19 18:22|| Front Page Top

#14 I agree with Crusader but feel that he missed the prime point.

We believe in the individual. The individual is responsible for all his/her actions.

There is no tribe or group or family that should be considered above an individual. If an individual does wrong it is it is no reflection on anyone else, conversely if he/she does good THAT is no credit to anyone else.

This way there is no racism or oppression because of some factor outside an individuals control. If a person holds to a creed that is abominable it is solely that persons responsibility.

Posted by AlanC 2016-10-19 19:16|| 2016-10-19 19:16|| Front Page Top

#15 I look forward to Old Spooks posts, providing interesting insights. His perspective on voting has not changed in four - and maybe eight - years.

Let me offer this quote from Winston Churchill, The Gathering Storm, page 565, which I read tonight - "In war, as in life, it is often necessary, when some cherished scheme has failed, to take up the best alternative open, and if so it is folly not to work for it with all your might."

About the time of Trondheim, Norway, April, 1940. Timely, 76 years later, is it not?

Posted by Bobby 2016-10-19 21:36|| 2016-10-19 21:36|| Front Page Top

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