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2012-09-17 China-Japan-Koreas

Panetta Warns of War Between China and Japan Over Disputed Islands

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Posted by Sherry 2012-09-17 11:42|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 Doubt this will lead to war.

Lead to China targeting Japan with missiles and making a jerk out of itself, yes.

Making sure the nations surrounding China form more of a coalition against them, yes.

Posted by DarthVader 2012-09-17 12:23|| 2012-09-17 12:23|| Front Page Top

#2 Panetta warns.....

And Rice bloviates. Endless election year distraction from a failed economy by the Obama rank and file.

Posted by Besoeker 2012-09-17 12:31|| 2012-09-17 12:31|| Front Page Top

#3 If somebody wants to start a war, this is a good excuse, but nobody is going to start a war for these islands.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2012-09-17 12:47|| 2012-09-17 12:47|| Front Page Top

#4 War was started over the Falklands - how different was that?

Posted by Glenmore 2012-09-17 13:04|| 2012-09-17 13:04|| Front Page Top

#5 Much different politically. Argentina was looking at a possible coup back home and everyone thought the British would just shrug and go away. It was a war of distraction, not resources.

China is nowhere near needing that type of distraction and Japan is willing to go toe to toe at the moment. Resources can be negotiated and the Chinese and Japanese know this and will work it out quietly behind the scenes while the public faces scream and yell.

Posted by DarthVader 2012-09-17 13:08|| 2012-09-17 13:08|| Front Page Top

#6 China doesn't want to bugger up their new toys.
High probability they may not work also. Standees don't look good wet and blow over also in the wind.

Posted by Dale 2012-09-17 13:13|| 2012-09-17 13:13|| Front Page Top

#7 Resources can be negotiated and the Chinese and Japanese know this and will work it out quietly behind the scenes while the public faces scream and yell.

That's what I'm hoping. They both must know that a war would be bad for business. But if the shooting did start it might be difficult for them to back away from it.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2012-09-17 13:49|| 2012-09-17 13:49|| Front Page Top

#8 They're not just "worthless rocks", unworthy of fighting over. Whoever owns them owns hundreds of miles of ocean as well, and there's oil and gas on the seafloor. That's why they're fighting over these tiny islands.

Posted by gromky 2012-09-17 13:57|| 2012-09-17 13:57|| Front Page Top

#9 It's already bad for business. Over a dozen Japanese factories in China have shut down over real or threatened damage, storefronts have closed, tourist trips from Japan to China are being canceled.
OIL.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2012-09-17 14:29|| 2012-09-17 14:29|| Front Page Top

#10 China is nowhere near needing that type of distraction

Actually, China badly needs a distraction from the coming economic meltdown. Plus there is an upcoming leadership change in the Party and some associated revisions to the constitution.

Couple that with the territorial issues that gromky mentions upstream, some historical animosities, China's sense of Manifest Destiny, and you have all the ingredients.

Posted by SteveS 2012-09-17 15:45|| 2012-09-17 15:45|| Front Page Top

#11 China would be better of dealing with North Korea if it needs a foreign threat and wants international love. Might end up with a united semi-neutral Korea.

Posted by Rjschwarz 2012-09-17 16:41|| 2012-09-17 16:41|| Front Page Top

#12 To paraphrase K:

Imagine a giant nation, with unlimited population, a massive inferiority complex, and a real short temper, is tear-assing around the South China Sea with a brand new navy.

Posted by Shinter Javirong9154 2012-09-17 17:09|| 2012-09-17 17:09|| Front Page Top

#13 Pragmatically, the PLAN may have acquired a number of new modern warships, but these are still mostly inferior to older ones of the JMSDF, let alone Japan's new AEGIS or Super-AEGIS-centric stuff.

Unless China resorts to using its Nukes, Analysts predict Japan will prevail in a major conventional war between the JSDF + PLA, although Japan will have a hard fight on its hands.

Perhaps more importantly, CHINA'S ULTIMATE INTENT IS NOTSOMUCH RE-C0NQUEST OF THE DIAOYUS ANDOR RYUKYUS [Okinawa archipelago] FROM NIPPON, BUT TO "FORCE OPEN" PERMAMENT + "UNCHALLENGED" PLA AIR-NAVAL STRATEGIC ACCESS FROM NE ASIA INTO WESTPAC, VEE OKINAWA-TAIWAN CORRIDOR = "DRAGON TRIANGLE".

IOW, NILBLOGS = In China's mind, any Sino-Japanese conventional war oer the disputed Diaoyus/Senkakus will also be a battle or war for control, dominance of Okinawa, Taiwan, Korean Peninsula, + northern PHIL.

IMO the JSDFS must be ready for at least a SINO-JAPANESE LIMITED NUCLEAR = LIMITED TACTICAL NUCLEAR WAR SCENARIO(S) vee China + PLA.

Either that, or Japan must renounce its sovereignty of the Diaoyus + prolly Okinawa to China.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2012-09-17 19:56|| 2012-09-17 19:56|| Front Page Top

#14 Put a sock in it, Panetta.

Posted by canalzone 2012-09-17 21:42|| 2012-09-17 21:42|| Front Page Top

#15 PEOPLE'S DAILY > THREE QUESTIONS FOR JAPAN: WHAT IS JAPAN'S INTENTIONS IN "PURCHASING THE DIAOYU ISLANDS"?

ARTIC > Zhang Haiwen of SOAC = denoted that the Daoyus has HUGE MILITARY, ETC. VALUE - CONTROL OF ITS WATERS BY JAPAN MEANS JAPAN HAS CLUTCHED THE THROAT OF THE CHANNEL BY WHICH CHINA GAINS ENTRANCE INTO THE OPEN SEA OF THE PACIFIC.

Yuuup.

* WAFF > AS CHINA-JAPAN RELATIONS DETERIORATE, THREAT OF WAR LOOMING | GROWING TENSIONS BETWEEN CHINA + JAPAN FUELS CONCERNS ON POTENTIAL [for]WAR.

* WORLD NEWS > US: CHINA [+ ASEAN] MAY START [poten Escalatory] "TERRITORIAL WAR(S)", iff
their Govts. continue "provocative" behavior at the expense of compromise and peace.

US SecDef Leon Panetta.

versus

* CHINA DAILY FORUM > US WILL NOT TAKE SIDES ON ISLANDS.

I have to wonder iff JAPAN = ISRAEL, vee Israel-claimed failure of the POTUS Bammer Admin to set-up "red lines"???

* WAFF > JAPANESE [Corporate]FLAGSHIPS SHUTTER FACTORIES IN CHINA AMID ESCALATING ISLAND DISPUTES.

* GLOBAL TIMES.CN > US BACKING MAY PROVE COSTSLY FOR JAPAN.

ARTIC = ...
- Japan is a Puppet of the USA.
- Diaoyu Islands dispute = ultimately devols into the US-VS-CHINA, NOT CHINA-VS-JAPAN wid Japan only in secondary or tertiary role???

FYI the US has just agreed wid Japan to set up a second BMD Radar there.

Also, dare JAPAN unknowing get a gift from the Soviets now Russians, or Mama Indjuh ...

* WAFF > [Indian Navy] RUSSIAN-BUILT
"VIKRAMADITYA" AIRCRAFT CARRIER SUFFERS ENGINE PROBLEM [failure]. Seven of eight HP Boilers suddenly broke down during a high-speed ocean trial, wid three of same repor as "un-repairable.
NOT CLEAR IFF WAS AN ORIGINAL SOVIET/RUSSIAN ENGINEERING DEFECT, OR INDIAN vee India's decision to use dubious firebricks instead of more reliable asbestos as boiler heat protection???

CHINA's new CV is also simil Soviet/Russian-built.

LOOKS LIKE THE SMALLER RUSSIAN OCEAN/FLEET TUGBOAT IS BECOM THE MOST IMPORTANT VESSEL IN THE TASK FORCE OR TASK GROUP, NOT THE BIGGER CV, SUBS, OR SURFACE WARFARE VESSELS???

Can you imagine the US CNO demanding to know the location of each and every Fleet Tug in the Russian + Chinese Navy as priority in war - "THE FLEET TUGS, D *** YOU, THE FLEET TUGS"!

Posted by JosephMendiola 2012-09-18 00:01|| 2012-09-18 00:01|| Front Page Top

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