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2006-09-12 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

IDF commander: We fired more than a million cluster bombs in Lebanon

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Posted by elbud 2006-09-12 10:59|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11141 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 War is hell.

Posted by wxjames 2006-09-12 12:10|| 2006-09-12 12:10|| Front Page Top

#2 40% duds???? Seems *awfully* high; I could check at Global Security of FAS, but I'm way too lazy and will let military types comment here. Wouldnt bomblets duds be at 5% or so, perhaps 10-15% for earlier gen???

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-09-12 12:22|| 2006-09-12 12:22|| Front Page Top

#3 I think this guy has lost his cookies. I wish they had done this. This would have been the proper approach. The next go around, and , there will be one, the only goal should be inflicting maximum damage and death as rapidly as possible. Just was reminded that Pappa Assad, some 20 years ago, killed 20,000 in a local revolt. Everything has been VERY quiet there since. This is the only way to get moonbats attention. They know it themselves. Just follow their lead.

Posted by SOP35/Rat 2006-09-12 12:28|| 2006-09-12 12:28|| Front Page Top

#4 City of HAMA: Assad murders 20,000 - 30,000 in a weekend circa 1982. No world reaction then or since..

Posted by borgboy 2006-09-12 12:38|| 2006-09-12 12:38|| Front Page Top

#5 I call bullshit on this entire article. First, the MLRS is pretty darned accurate - within 20 meters of the target. Secondly, most cluster munitions are designed to explode in cascading waves anywhere from 30 seconds after impact to up to 24 hours later. This was to keep US forces from being injured by their own munitions. Thirdly, white phosphorous has NOT been outlawed by "international law", only by a non-government forum that has no enforcement capability and no authority. Someone needs to be quietly removed from his current position and reassigned to counting sand fleas in the Negev.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2006-09-12 13:02|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2006-09-12 13:02|| Front Page Top

#6 Army Field Manual 6-30:
The dud rate for ICM or DPICM rounds is between 2 and 3 percent in ideal conditions. However, there are several important considerations which may increase the dud rate as follows: The ICM or DPICM should not be fired into forests; mountainous areas (slope greater than 60 percent); or rocky, uneven terrain. This type of terrain may increase the dud rate and reduce the effectiveness of the rounds. Also, the effectiveness of ICM and DPICM rounds may decrease if the target area is marshy or covered with deep snow or water.

Haaetz is quoting Arabist UN propaganda, including the lie phosphorous is banned, while making no mention that the muslims are storing and launching rockets from within houses and mosques. Any subsequent damage is the muslims fault and in direct violation Geneva conventions. Waiting for Belgian arrest warrants as I type.

Posted by ed 2006-09-12 13:07|| 2006-09-12 13:07|| Front Page Top

#7 Guess that didn't work. Next time fire more...

Posted by tu3031 2006-09-12 13:14|| 2006-09-12 13:14|| Front Page Top

#8 also, I believe haaretz is the lib Israeli paper, so expect spin

Posted by Legolas 2006-09-12 13:19|| 2006-09-12 13:19|| Front Page Top

#9 Highest proportion of moonbats in the World.

Posted by gromgoru 2006-09-12 13:29|| 2006-09-12 13:29|| Front Page Top

#10 Ha'aretz prides itself on being the New York Times of Israel, and the Grey Lady concurs.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-09-12 13:48|| 2006-09-12 13:48|| Front Page Top

#11 A couple of points: either they are not referring to the US's MLRS (which is quite accurate and not a track or tire carried mobile rocket launching platform) or else they are clueless (perhaps both). Also, 1.2 M bomblets from 1800 bombs? That's 666 per bomb - seems very high to me. Finally, what would be the point of a weapon system with a 40% failure rate? Might as well throw rocks. Of course, the source for that figure was the UN...

Posted by Spot">Spot 2006-09-12 14:05|| 2006-09-12 14:05|| Front Page Top

#12 WP is perfectly legal for use in the Geneva Conventions as smoke generation.

Unless there are recordings of it being requested specifically in an anti-personnel role ("request WP. enemy in the open."), then there is almost no way to prove that its intention was AP.

I might add that the US M16 rifle is prohibited for use as an anti-personnel weapon, as it is a high-velocity rifle, unlike the AK-47. Technically, a prohibited "killing", not a "wounding" weapon.

For this reason, officially, our soldiers do not fire at enemy soldiers with their M16s--they fire at the weapons and equipment the enemy are wearing and carrying, which is legal.

Lest you think it is hypocritical, such exceptions by different countries in the Geneva Conventions actually far outnumber the Conventions themselves. In fact, exception effectively negate the Conventions for several countries.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-09-12 14:12|| 2006-09-12 14:12|| Front Page Top

#13 An MLRS rocket carries up to 644 DPICM bomblets, though I think most US stocks are 518 bomblet A1 and A2 extended range models. MLRS comes in tracked (Bradley chassis) or wheeled (HiMARS) form. The 40% failure rate is Arab propaganda. The older bomblets had a 5% failure rate.

Oh, and I would have fired them into all Hezbie controlled towns with the admonishment that next time rockets are fired south, things are going to much worse.

Posted by ed 2006-09-12 14:23|| 2006-09-12 14:23|| Front Page Top

#14 The "head of an IDF rocket unit" is either a pussy or an editorial convenience allowing the newspaper to make a point. Given the performance of the IDF and the Israeli government in the Lebanese affair, either is equally likely.

Posted by RWV 2006-09-12 14:39|| 2006-09-12 14:39|| Front Page Top

#15 "What we did was insane and monstrous

Good. Lesson learned. Start fighting on the same terms as your enemy. This isn't a tea party. Until all who fight Islam remember this one single axiom, we will get precisely nowhere while losing many unnecessary lives.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-12 14:50|| 2006-09-12 14:50|| Front Page Top

#16 Not only is Haaretz the lib paper of Israel, Meron Rappaport is one of their most liberal reporters. The article smells like BS from start to finish. Entire towns destroyed by cluster bombs? Nah. Looked pretty selective by all non-muzzie accounts. Too selective if you ask me.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-09-12 14:52|| 2006-09-12 14:52|| Front Page Top

#17 A million cluster bombs fired in Hezbo-land?

It's a start....

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#18 FYI:
1800 rockets * 518 bomblets/rkt = 932,400
1800 rockets * 644 " " = 1,159,200

Somebody get their math wrong?

Al

Posted by frozen al">frozen al 2006-09-12 16:53|| 2006-09-12 16:53|| Front Page Top

#19 "also, I believe haaretz is the lib Israeli paper, so expect spin"--Legolas

Ahem *cough* ... Haaretz is the New York Times of Israel

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#20 Iff my memory is correct, Soviet leader BREZHNEV threatened to send in Soviet milfors iff any US-or US-led UN force went in against Dad Assad.

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