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Flight 93 Memorial - More Disturbing Design Features Pointing to Islamic Themes

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Posted by RG 2005-09-10 03:21|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11135 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 So who designed,and approved this monstrocity?

Posted by raptor 2005-09-10 09:00|| 2005-09-10 09:00|| Front Page Top

#2 Leave and nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by Raj 2005-09-10 09:19|| 2005-09-10 09:19|| Front Page Top

#3 You mean the memorial isn't to honor those brave islamic warriors?

/SARCASM

Posted by CrazyFool 2005-09-10 09:29|| 2005-09-10 09:29|| Front Page Top

#4
The numerology value of the words "Flight 93 Memorial" is almost the same as the value of "Allah Akbar".
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2005-09-10 09:30|| 2005-09-10 09:30|| Front Page Top

#5 Why are the designers pussy-footing around with this obscure homage to the ROP? It should be a statue of a lion-of-Islam slashing a stewardess with a box cutter.

Posted by Regular Joe 2005-09-10 09:33|| 2005-09-10 09:33|| Front Page Top

#6 The numerology value?

Posted by Threatle Thick1762 2005-09-10 09:55|| 2005-09-10 09:55|| Front Page Top

#7 It's bad enough that they designed this monument to Islam. It's even worse that they're insulting our intelligence by pretending that the numerous Islamic features are just a coincidence, completely unintentional. They really think the American people are that stupid, and that pisses me off.

Posted by WhiteCollarRedneck 2005-09-10 12:14|| 2005-09-10 12:14|| Front Page Top

#8 blackfive: clark - sometimes a crescent is just a crescent...

And sometimes, a swastika is just a swastika. But if anyone had suggested putting this Buddhist symbol on a Holocaust memorial, some might accuse him of being insensitive, if not worse.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-09-10 13:02|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-09-10 13:02|| Front Page Top

#9 numerology value . . .

Islamofacists love that sort of thing, so it wouldn't be lost on them.

Posted by ex-lib 2005-09-10 13:24|| 2005-09-10 13:24|| Front Page Top

#10 And black stone is used in the Vietnam Memorial. And the crescent has been a popular symbol in the West for hundreds of years. And if the Memorial faces East at all, it will basically align with Mecca. Come up with something better.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2005-09-10 13:58|| 2005-09-10 13:58|| Front Page Top

#11 And black stone is used in the Vietnam Memorial (Vietnam Memorial is granit, Islam is Black Stone). And the crescent has been a popular symbol in the West for hundreds of years (name all the "popular" symbols of the west). And if the Memorial (the cresecent, ignorant) faces East at all (check it out lazy butt), it will basically align with Mecca. Come up with something better (too late, strike 3 your out duffus).

Posted by RG 2005-09-10 14:11|| 2005-09-10 14:11|| Front Page Top

#12 Even if this is purely a coincidence, did not even one person look and say "Hey, that's looks like a crescent-and-star. Do you think that's a good idea?"

Posted by Jackal">Jackal 2005-09-10 14:30|| home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2005-09-10 14:30|| Front Page Top

#13 "http://thewall-usa.com/wallpics/gallery.htm" clearly shows that the Wall is black stone {by the way, the word is "granite"}; Proctor & Gamble has used a crescent Man in the Moon as a trademark for over 100 years; to point to Mecca from that spot in Penns., you would have to be pointing South by Southeast -- not just East. Please refrain from name-calling, it is infantile {look it up}.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2005-09-10 14:33|| 2005-09-10 14:33|| Front Page Top

#14 Also, according to "http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wrader/slang/d.html", the word you were looking for is "duffis". Have a nice life, schmuck.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2005-09-10 14:41|| 2005-09-10 14:41|| Front Page Top

#15 270 lbs. ago when I was but a wee lad, we had a cresent on the door of our out outhouse. 2 holer.

the ~~faggot~~ "artiste" who designed this piece of Shite has got to be an attention whore.

/no offence ment to any innocent gay artists out there.

Posted by Red Dog 2005-09-10 15:09|| 2005-09-10 15:09|| Front Page Top

#16 We're offended, and in today's America, if one person is offended, it must go, regardless of the artist's intent. Turnabout sucks, eh?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-09-10 15:12|| 2005-09-10 15:12|| Front Page Top

#17 The Tower of Voices at the entrance of the memorials is symbolic of the Prayer Towers at the entrances of Mosques around the world.

The Black Stone (not granit like in the Vietnam Memorial) is symbolic of the Black Stone that Islamic Pilgrams circle in Mecca.

The Crescent faces Mecca.

The American victims of Flight 93 are covered by Islamic symbolism in this particular design. It is by no means a memorial, it is by all means and many symbols, a symbol of victory to jihad, with the victims, defeated, covered by all sorts of symbols of Islam.

Take your Berkely reference to duffis to heart, and too bad, your anti-American, pro-jihadi design is going right where it belongs, an out house with a crescent on the door. Go there often and visit it. The out house suits you well.

Posted by RG 2005-09-10 15:13|| 2005-09-10 15:13|| Front Page Top

#18
Michelle Maulkin's interview of various Islamic people who ALL say "Yes, this is definitely Islamic to us. And we too are offended"

Maulkin Interviews

So Duffus, how many people, secular and Islamic, does it take to get you to realize your ignorance and denial?

Posted by RG 2005-09-10 15:19|| 2005-09-10 15:19|| Front Page Top

#19 Seems like we've had this which direction to face to send your vibes directly to mekka discussion before.... wasn't it north of east? Got to find that Great Circle generator site.

Posted by Shipman 2005-09-10 15:39|| 2005-09-10 15:39|| Front Page Top

#20 The swastika was apopular symbol in the West for thousands of years. The Hindus, and even the Navajo, used it. But if it was used anywhere, let alone the center piece, in a Holocaust memorial, the outrage would be immediate and devastating from high and low.

Why would anyone think that the symbol of the zealots that attacked us on Sept. 11 would not cause outrage? Are the architects deaf, dumb, and blind to the symbolism, or was it much like the WTC memorial, an attempt to insert anti-American, anti-Western propaganda and leave the memory of those who died at the World Trade Center as an afterthought? The crescent, black rocks, black flags with the shahada, any symbol of islam is offensive in to the memory of Flight 93. The passengers fought back and saved the lives of many Congressmen that day. I wait to hear the outrage from them.

Posted by ed 2005-09-10 15:49|| 2005-09-10 15:49|| Front Page Top

#21 If you want to point away from Mecca - point to Alaska, where the only Fatwas come in crypto-aeronautics and water treatment engineering from Al-Aska Paul

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-09-10 16:00|| 2005-09-10 16:00|| Front Page Top

#22 I am not in the fatwa issuing mood over this, but somehow we ought to have an Iwo Jima style theme on a fresco or something. I have not thought it out, but it seems to me that we must have a theme illustrating that ordinary people did a selfless and extraordinary thing that day. Something that will get younger generations thinking about responsibility, and heroism, and all those things that made the ordinary people on that flight do things to save others.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2005-09-10 18:26|| 2005-09-10 18:26|| Front Page Top

#23 There is a memorial in Anchorage on the south side of Merril Field dedicated those members of the Army Air Corps that were killed, missing in action, prisoners of war in Japan, or interned in the USSR due to bombing runs from the Aleutians to northern Japan. It is somewhat like the wall, but one gets the feeling of great sacrifice in a theater of war that nobody knows about. The creaters need to capture the feeling of Flight 93 in the Pennsylvania field and have it touch their souls before they start messing around with materials. Once they capture the essance, the memorial will then creat itself, so to speak. My 2 cents.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2005-09-10 18:32|| 2005-09-10 18:32|| Front Page Top

#24 How about the site of a 93 Silo ABM system. It would cover NY and D.C.

Posted by Shipman 2005-09-10 18:51|| 2005-09-10 18:51|| Front Page Top

#25
This article doesn't link to anywhere. Monitors, follow your own rules.
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2005-09-10 18:54|| 2005-09-10 18:54|| Front Page Top

#26 Yes, what Mike said and twice!

Posted by Shipman 2005-09-10 18:58|| 2005-09-10 18:58|| Front Page Top

#27 MS etiquette squad: fan out!

My feelings is if the artist's didn't mind a fist breaking the crescent, I'd have no prob either

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-09-10 19:06|| 2005-09-10 19:06|| Front Page Top

#28 Let me grasp this. If a city wishes to honor its history with a cross representing it's founding as a Spanish Mission, predating the United States, but because it can be interpreted as supporting a specific religion by the ACLU and the federal judiciary, it is prohibited from any such display. Then were does anyone get off thinking this can not be similarly seen and interpreted as supporting a specific religion?

Posted by Chaique Glirt1704 2005-09-10 20:10|| 2005-09-10 20:10|| Front Page Top

#29 Just make sure we all write to the idiots in charge of this. I have.

Posted by Whiskey Mike 2005-09-10 20:22|| 2005-09-10 20:22|| Front Page Top

#30 Contrary to common belief, the thief's hand shall not be cut off.
Thank God for His mercy and His mathematical miracle in the Quran,
we know now that the thief's hand is to be marked. Marking the hand
of the thief is stated in 5:38. The sura and verse numbers add up to
5+38 = 43. The other place in the Quran where "the hand is cut" is
found in 12:31. This is where we see the women who admired Joseph so
much, they "cut" their hands. Obviously, they did not sever their
hands; no one can do that. The sura and verse numbers add up to
12+31=43, the same total as in 5:38. This gives mathematical
confirmation that the Quranic law calls for marking the hand of the
thief, not severing it. Additional mathematical confirmation is
provided: 19 verses after 12:31, we see the "cutting of the hand"
again. Punishment in Islam (Submission) is based on equivalence and
social pressure (2:178, 5:38, 24:2).

If you count the number of bars that make up the red part of the Crescent, you will count 38. Then count the number of blank bars, 3 at one end of the crescent and two at the other end, you have 5. Thus the number of bars in the crescent for Flight 93 Memorial is in reference to the above Koranic verse.

Posted by RG 2005-09-10 21:00|| 2005-09-10 21:00|| Front Page Top

#31 And sometimes, a swastika is just a swastika.

Ummm, the Swastika's arms point one way,(Clockways) and the Fylfot (Ancient Christian Religious symbol) point the other way (Counterclockways) But since the Natzi era both are considered forever corrupted.

Most folks don't know the difference anyway.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-09-10 21:41|| 2005-09-10 21:41|| Front Page Top

#32 Here's a site:
http://killtown.911review.org/flight93.html
It is very disturbing that these symbols went unnoticed until now. Especially taking into account how many it must have had to go through to get approval. Symbols are very important especially while referencing a memorial.
Shipman, I was reminded of the movie Robin Hood where Kevin Costner showed Morgan Freeman the correct direction with the weather being overcast.

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