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2005-07-24 Terror Networks & Islam

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Posted by .com 2005-07-24 16:10|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11144 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Winston was 23 years old when he wrote this. Amazing.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2005-07-24 16:42|| 2005-07-24 16:42|| Front Page Top

#2 Lol, AC - the impetuous youth truth-telling sans nuance, heh.

Posted by .com 2005-07-24 16:57|| 2005-07-24 16:57|| Front Page Top

#3 Excellent post, Dotcom! Thanks.
Peace and blessings be upon you and Charles Johnson of LGF who's been doing the Lord's work for the last 4 years.

Who is like unto Churchill?
What a wonderful, wonderful man, leader and statesman for the ages.
We can only hope that he's leading the angels to help us Up There but Thank God he left us his legacy and his writings as a guide.

Posted by Jennie Taliaferro">Jennie Taliaferro 2005-07-24 18:25|| http://www.greatestjeneration.com]">[http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2005-07-24 18:25|| Front Page Top

#4 Except that we in America don't seem too dedicated or truly engaged in science anymore. Just look at the way genetic research is being held up while our enemies cultivate it (viz. stem cell research) or, even more basically, how about the fact that most Americans seem to have an insuperable opposition to the theory of evolution, which is the foundation of modern biology - genetics included! I think some you who now smugly cheer our Fearless Leader from the stands will, unfortunately, inhabit a country which has willingly (and willfully) abandonded it's commitment to free scientific enquiry. Please note Sir Winston's important aside about the relationship of Christianity and Science "and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, THE SCIENCE AGAINST WHICH IT HAD VAINLY STRUGGLED..." Christianity, with it's insistence on the primacy of faith over reason, is fundamentally opposed to the spririt of science. It has, in the past, and is now in the process of onced again asserting its supremace over free intellectual inquiry, science included. Islam has no monopoly on fundamentalist idiots, as the roll call of the current Congress makes perfectly clear. WAKE UP!

Posted by Gonzomema 2005-07-24 20:18|| 2005-07-24 20:18|| Front Page Top

#5 Gonzo man,

If Christianity is insistent on the primacy of faith over science, why has most science been done in Christian countires? Would you prefer to be doing science in an Islamic country?

Give it a rest, take two aspirins and give RB a call in the morning.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-07-24 20:22|| 2005-07-24 20:22|| Front Page Top

#6 Well, he did get the mema part right.

Posted by .com 2005-07-24 20:29|| 2005-07-24 20:29|| Front Page Top

#7 Well, Gonzo, it is standard leftist dogma that all supporters of the War on Terrorism are conservatives and that all conservatives are Bible-thumping creation-nuts and flat-earthers (as well as obese Wal-Mart shoppers).
Both of these assertions are bunk, Goebbels-style Big Lies straight from the global media-left's own ad hoc Ministry of Truth. This absurd caricature of the opposition is, in fact, one of the many misconceptions that will condemn the global left to extinction.

While the creationist lobby is very noisy and irritating, it is not by any means representative of "most Americans," Euro-bigot and Tranzi propaganda notwithstanding. It is especially not representative of those who take a really active role in supporting the global war against Islamic medievalism. At this site, and at the "Great Satan" itself (Little Green Footballs), creationist sympathizers are few and far between.

Please know that I am a research scientist in a hard discipline (geophysics) and a full professor to boot. I have been in the trenches fighting creationist charlatans for 25 years. This is probably longer than you have been alive, judging by the juvenile authoritarianism and credulity of your rhetoric.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2005-07-24 21:18|| 2005-07-24 21:18|| Front Page Top

#8 Another thing, Gonzo. If Christianity and Islam were truly equivalent, you and I wouldn't be here.
....Well, maybe you would, but as an enthusistic convert to the Religion of Pieces.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2005-07-24 21:23|| 2005-07-24 21:23|| Front Page Top

#9 Lay it down, AC!

Couldn't have said it better.

Thanks,
LC FOTSGreg, PhD, DD, LBNL Security

Posted by LC FOTSGreg">LC FOTSGreg 2005-07-24 21:31|| 2005-07-24 21:31|| Front Page Top

#10 In this Western post-Enlightenment world in which we are privileged to live, society allows space for such activities as scientific research unencumbered by the majority religious belief. Hence Western economic, military and cultural supremacy. Imagine trying to get a grant to do, say, diabetes research, in which equal attention had to be given to the question of how many angels it takes to replicate the effect of a given dose of insulin? American society is admittedly far from perfect, and a staggering percentage of the population is -- or chooses to be -- incapable of understanding the difference between science and magic but, like our form of democracy, it is a terrible situation, better than which does not exist (which may well paraphrase another churchill statement made when he was a bit older).

Posted by trailing wife 2005-07-24 21:35|| 2005-07-24 21:35|| Front Page Top

#11 Gonzomema may want to study Aristotle, Aquinas, and the development of science in the West from the 14th century onward.

Some people are anti-science and try to enlist government power to further their cause, while claiming to do it in the name of their Christian faith. However, the huge majority of Westerners consider their faith a private matter of living a good life AND are both pro-freedom and pro-technology. So chill out. Nobody's got a monopoly on Luddite minorities.

As for stem cell research in the US, the only thing Bush has done is to stop FEDERAL FUNDING of it. Unless you're an unreformed socialist who thinks all science must be State Science, there is no need to be upset. On the contrary, we'll get much faster, better progress if the government stays out of it.

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-24 21:39|| 2005-07-24 21:39|| Front Page Top

#12 I hadn't seen your post when I wrote that, AC, or I would have added an expanded signature, a la LC FOTSGreg. So here it is:

trailing wife
married, mother, housewife, member of a minority religion, child of educators and research scientists and long-time denizen of ivory towers

Oh, yes, I almost forgot: former liberal democrat, now a textbook neocon thanks to 9/11.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-07-24 21:44|| 2005-07-24 21:44|| Front Page Top

#13 Evolution is bunk.

If evolution were in fact true.....we would see certain things among the general population. We would in fact see people who are not as "evolved" as everybody else. We would perhaps see a body walking around with the head of a fish. Or maybe his knuckles dragging the ground and the head of a squirrel. Why are we all in the same "phase" of evolution? Why don't we see jellyfish with the head of a monkey? Why are ALL jellyfish....in fact jellyfish and not some conglomerate of many other creatures? Why haven't I seen any "half evolved" men flying around with the birds? Or, swimming with the fishes?

Evolution exists in the schools simply because some people haven't really thought it through. If you would think about it and let your mind take you to all the little places where IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, you'd come to a different conclusion.

JUST THINK ABOUT IT.....THOROUGHLY!

Posted by Tom Dooley 2005-07-24 22:48|| 2005-07-24 22:48|| Front Page Top

#14 Radic Islam teaches mostly impressionable youth thats it okay to take the weath of the "infidel", etc. by force - okay, then what afterwards!? What mighty divine plan does Radical islam and aligned have to both glorify God and unduce universal modernity and prosperity on the masses. Methinks the answer behind door #3 is the same as for Leftism-Socialism - got no plan(s) except to hide behind the skirts and plans of one's enemies; and acquire and remain in anti-democratic, permament, super-Govt-Regulatory led/based power, by any means necessary, at any price. Radical islam = Socialists = Get America suborned and out of the way, then decide whom gets to make the rules.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2005-07-24 23:33|| 2005-07-24 23:33|| Front Page Top

#15 Tom, you're kidding, right?

To just take one of your examples, a monkey's head would not survive on a jellyfish, it requires oxygenated blood, high-energy nutrients, the right mix of amino acids and hormones and literally a million other things that can come only from a monkey's body or that of a very closely related species. Bodies and heads do not evolve separately, they evolve together. The chain of evolutionary mutation can see a small change in one without a corresponding change in the other, but the other will inevitably catch up.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2005-07-24 23:36|| 2005-07-24 23:36|| Front Page Top

#16 Creationist are, by definition, one of the tiniest of minorities. They aren't likely to have success on their own without resorting to drastic measures, as, for instance, chicanery and other charlatans tactics.

On the other hand, the hypocracies of the left speak volumes. for to use their own illogic, isn't the creationist movement a minority whose right to their beliefs is to be protected? illiberals say, There is no such thing as majority rule; the minority must be protected from the majority. But look how selectively applied to those outnumbered by the full force of The State. Be it the latest edict from the supreme cork concerning the property rights of hameowners["..it is as if God had spoken"-NanciePelosie.]. or Waco [Dragnett Reno told the ATF to pursue the Branch Davidians on "Child Abuse" charges. ATF told herm the simple fact of the matter: The ATF has no jurisdiction over child abuse cases. Then she worked the guns angle, NEVER proving it in justification for a raid. -hence the neccesity for setting up ATF agents to get popped for the PR value and get the public outraged enough to support the whole GUMMIT catastrophe.

Arisotle, on the other hand, in the metaphisics, argued successfully, that the origin of all things rests with a single source. That source is g-d, may you find him now. He did this in an environment of a polytheistic myth concerning a pantheon of gods. and unless he was hanging out with rabbis, how did he hit on monotheism? Philosophy is science, the science of logic.

Science has not come up with an explanation of creation that bears any distinction from the same arcane, dogma of other belief systems. No guarantee that that science won't lapse into the unethical pursuit of science for profit that fuels "the stem cell research bonanza to come", genetically engeneered sales plans so that Hollywood stars, will have to suffer a child with acne, or imperfect breast, and so on.

I frankly couldn't care less if creationist thought is taught in school; people are free to believe as they wish. No harm done. You can read Mein Kampf, for chissakes, it doesn't mean you believe in it. And with what do you plan to arm yourself against the poison of mein Kampf? I'll take Philosophy and Ethics over [irresponsible, unchecked] science any day. There was plenty of "science" in Margaret Sangers Eugenics, not to mention real racism, as well as in hitlers racial purity theories.

I'll take creation taught in schools, taught by a rastafarian, no less, just to stick it to illiberals.

Posted by an dalusian dog 2005-07-25 00:02|| 2005-07-25 00:02|| Front Page Top

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