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2005-07-19 Europe
Germany Mulls Spying on all Mosques
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Posted by Fred 2005-07-19 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11136 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 "state security services should have free hand in dealing with Islamic organizations that prefer their religion to the country’s constitution"

How very true. And why are they there.
To stay in one's country, a person should be expected to love the constitution and abide by it.
It will be interesting to hear what is truly being said....

"..anti-Muslim rhetoric.." Rhetoric????
Posted by Jan 2005-07-19 00:25||   2005-07-19 00:25|| Front Page Top

#2 Heh, Jan - it is Islam Online, after all.

This sounds like a capital idea - we should do it too so more and more people can come to understand the Religion of Peace better.
Posted by .com 2005-07-19 00:44||   2005-07-19 00:44|| Front Page Top

#3 Yes supervise them. And give them a "three strikes and you are out" rule.

1st offence: Close mosque for a week.
2nd offence: Close mosque for a month.
3rd offence: Close mosque and confiscate it.
Posted by True German Ally 2005-07-19 00:47||   2005-07-19 00:47|| Front Page Top

#4 Where's "deport imam and followers"? I looked but didn't see it...
Posted by .com 2005-07-19 00:50||   2005-07-19 00:50|| Front Page Top

#5 That's the NEW AND IMPROVED formula!
Posted by True German Ally 2005-07-19 01:08||   2005-07-19 01:08|| Front Page Top

#6 Lol! *applause*
Posted by .com 2005-07-19 01:10||   2005-07-19 01:10|| Front Page Top

#7 Btw Beckstein will be the next German Interior Minister. And he's up to no good with radical Muslims, believe me.
Posted by True German Ally 2005-07-19 01:10||   2005-07-19 01:10|| Front Page Top

#8 I truly regards as insane constructs systems where the elements of what we would call the Executive Branch can be opposition to the head - Prime - of that branch of Govt.

I recall reading scores of Aris posts on how and why this was so wonderful. And they never made any real-world sense or held water. It only guarantees stalemates, shenanigans, and compromises which make everyone unhappy - achieving zip.

Sigh.
Posted by .com 2005-07-19 01:16||   2005-07-19 01:16|| Front Page Top

#9 Argh! "regard", not "regards". Sigh.
Posted by .com 2005-07-19 01:17||   2005-07-19 01:17|| Front Page Top

#10 //Posted by: .com 2005-07-19 00:44 //

hear hear!
Posted by muck4doo 2005-07-19 01:18|| http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]">[http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/]  2005-07-19 01:18|| Front Page Top

#11 Why am I not suprised by a "diatribe from the Greens party" I am sure the PM will spare no chance in kissing some Imams ass if he thinks it will help him stay in power too. The Reds are just as screw up as the Greens are by and large.

As for government monitoring of Religious instutions, if they have nothing to hide they should be happy to accomodate the suggestion. I know that when I was a "religious" person I had nothing to hide, nor did the church I attended. We of course belonged to a sect that has holy writing encouraging us to obey the laws of the state.

Oh yes please pass a Law that all sermons must be in German or a European language (Roman latan, Italian or, Danish you know, no Turkic or Arabian languages.) to go along with this.
Posted by Sock Puppet 0’ Doom 2005-07-19 01:35||   2005-07-19 01:35|| Front Page Top

#12 For such measure to be useful, one should first define exactly what language is unacceptable.

We all know we shouldn't shout "fire!" in a crowded theatre. Moslems need to know what they can't do in civilized countries (for starters, promotion of taqiya, jihad, sharia, the murder of non-Moslems, as well as requests to Allah for Jew-hating speaking trees and ground-shaking bolts).
Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-19 01:50||   2005-07-19 01:50|| Front Page Top

#13 One could very well get a wrong picture a la Grosse Deutchland's support of the Handschar and Croatische... but when it comes to the homeland, don't count Germany out. Unlike much of Western Europe, I don't see today's Germany as being inherently suidical. I like TGA's approach. State it loud and clear and then follow through. We should do likewise starting with Lodi, CA.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2005-07-19 02:43||   2005-07-19 02:43|| Front Page Top

#14 TGA, your comment here,
Btw Beckstein will be the next German Interior Minister. And he's up to no good with radical Muslims, believe me.

doesn't seem to match with this fragment of the story,

His remarks echoed those of Bavarian Interior Minister Guenther Beckstein who proposed on Saturday, July 16, planting spies inside mosques, censoring sermons and monitoring Muslim organizations using tiny cameras.

Is Beckstein one of the good guys or not? - it may have got lost in translation ;) but 'up to no good with' implies that he's on the side of the Imams.

BTW, you should see my German - actually, you can't - because there isn't any! ;)

Thanks
Posted by Tony (UK) 2005-07-19 04:09||   2005-07-19 04:09|| Front Page Top

#15 Moslems need to know what they can't do in civilized countries (for starters, promotion of taqiya, jihad, sharia, the murder of non-Moslems, as well as requests to Allah for Jew-hating speaking trees and ground-shaking bolts).

In other words if they'd just stop practicing Islam .... LOL
Posted by AzCat 2005-07-19 05:28||   2005-07-19 05:28|| Front Page Top

#16 This, to me is the quote of the article:

He further called for dialogue with moderate Muslims, asking the minority to publicly denounce violence in all its forms before such a dialogue.

Note that this implies the "moderates" are actually a minority. Translation problem? If this is Islam online, this truly worries me. I've already begun to shift from "The moderates need to condemn this" to "The moderates need to kick out the @rsewipes in their midst ASAP" and have begun to question if there are any "moderates." Maybe not. If we leap to that conclusion, it's going to get a lot uglier before it gets better.
Posted by BA">BA  2005-07-19 10:03||   2005-07-19 10:03|| Front Page Top

#17 No, no, no, imam. Those cameras are there to prevent...ummmmmmmmmmmmmm...hate crimes! You know, graffitti spraying and like that? Pay no attention to them. They're for your...ummmmmmmm...protection! That's it!
Posted by tu3031 2005-07-19 10:05||   2005-07-19 10:05|| Front Page Top

#18 Problem is they can't seem to help themselves. Two or three generations down the line in a free society and they still spawn nasty boomers. But hey, they were just good lads led astray. Happens everyday. You get angry about something so why not express yourself by killing as many innocent civilians (and a few of your coreligionists to boot). It makes absolute sense. Brilliant. Perfectly understandible isn't it. Now why would anyone want to pick on such nice people?
Posted by MunkarKat 2005-07-19 10:05||   2005-07-19 10:05|| Front Page Top

#19 I've already begun to shift from "The moderates need to condemn this" Stage one to "The moderates need to kick out the @rsewipes in their midst ASAP" Stage Two and have begun to question if there are any "moderates." Stage Three

I'd place myself at Two with a heavy overlap into Three.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford  2005-07-19 10:32|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-07-19 10:32|| Front Page Top

#20 

Closed circuit TV cameras in all German mosques? That's pretty radical. Not that I mind. But hell will freeze over before this happens.


Check this one out about the first
mosque in Munich and it was founded by Nazis

Posted by dennisw 2005-07-19 12:24||   2005-07-19 12:24|| Front Page Top

#21 I truly regards as insane constructs systems where the elements of what we would call the Executive Branch can be opposition to the head - Prime - of that branch of Govt. I recall reading scores of Aris posts on how and why this was so wonderful.

It's cool that you recall reading them, but I'm not sure I recall writing them -- unless it was in the context of the general division of state power: certainly I don't feel that any single branch need or should be united -- the legislative branch isn't united for example given how there are a lot of parties in Parliaments, and legislators can always choose to rebel against the party line also -- in fact I'd argue that the higher the possibility for such dissent the higher the level of democracy: One of the problems of the political system in Greece is that it makes the members of parliament too dependent on the parties.

Back to lurking.
Posted by Aris Katsaris 2005-07-19 12:34||   2005-07-19 12:34|| Front Page Top

#22 And I see frequent gridlock, lol! Now it's possible that a state of gridlock can, indeed, be seen as a good thing now and then, as Govts do get up to no good at times, but as the norm I believe it to be just silly.
Posted by .com 2005-07-19 12:51||   2005-07-19 12:51|| Front Page Top

#23 Like I said, it comes in threez
Posted by Shipman 2005-07-19 12:59||   2005-07-19 12:59|| Front Page Top

#24 What's stage four?
Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2005-07-19 13:10||   2005-07-19 13:10|| Front Page Top

#25 Heh, Kalle...

I guess that's where one side surrenders - by dying.
Posted by .com 2005-07-19 13:13||   2005-07-19 13:13|| Front Page Top

#26 Oh no Beckstein is the tough guy, I know him personally.
His opinion is that Muslims who do not support the German Constitution should not live in Germany.
Posted by True German Ally 2005-07-19 15:09||   2005-07-19 15:09|| Front Page Top

#27 No one who doesn't support the German constutition should live in Germany at all TGA. The Constution is as it is for a reason. So far it's doing a pretty good job all in all.
Posted by Sock Puppet 0’ Doom 2005-07-19 16:44||   2005-07-19 16:44|| Front Page Top

#28 Headline correction:

"Germany Mulls Spying on all terrorist training facilities Mosques"
Posted by intrinsicpilot 2005-07-19 19:10||   2005-07-19 19:10|| Front Page Top

#29 Thanks for the clarification TGA, looks like Germany is going to start going up again come September!
Posted by Tony (UK) 2005-07-19 19:46||   2005-07-19 19:46|| Front Page Top

#30 We can only hope but it will take time, the budget is in a terrible state..lots of redgreen mess to clean up.

Btw the CDU has said that the "axis Berlin-Paris-Moscow" will not be continued.
Posted by True German Ally 2005-07-19 19:56||   2005-07-19 19:56|| Front Page Top

#31 re: #19. Agreed, RC! i'm there with ya!
Posted by BA">BA  2005-07-19 22:14||   2005-07-19 22:14|| Front Page Top

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