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Posted by wxjames 2007-07-16 10:35|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11132 views ] Top
File under: Global Jihad

#1 Straight from the horse's mouth with ZERO irony:

Khudayr Taher, an Iraqi Shi'ite writer living in the U.S. and a regular contributor to the liberal Elaph website, had a quite illiberal suggestion - he asked why Europe and America shouldn't deport their Muslim populations. He wrote:

"Countries have the right to defend themselves and assure their citizens' safety from terrorism. Likewise, it is clear that the source of the terrorist crimes in Europe and America is the Muslims who live in these countries.

"The security services cannot know people's intentions and sort out who is the noble immigrant and who is a terrorist criminal. [But] wherever there are Muslims, their presence has produced crimes of terrorism and murder.

Here, a Muslim himself confirms what I have long maintained. Due to taqiyya, Western agencies have absolutely NO WAY of distinguishing between "good" and bad Muslims. They bring this upon themselves in a twofold respect. First, by condoning taqiyya. Second, by not cleaning house themselves. The West once and for all must get over the idiotic notion that we have any obligation to clean Islam's house for them. If Muslims have no inclination to do so then they have no place in Western society. Period.

"Among those Muslims in Europe and America who do not practice terrorism, most of them do not have loyalty and sincere attachment to these countries that have offered them all of the means of life in dignity - housing, studies, work, and citizenship

Islam continues to be nothing but a seditious political ideology. Until that changeswhich requires total abandonment of shari'a law and pursuit of a global caliphateit must be banned in Western nations.

"The legitimate question is this: Since the security services cannot sort out the good immigrant from the bad terrorist why don't these countries deport all Muslims, of all races, from Europe and America, and [thus] find rest from the danger of terrorism, and protect their peoples?

"I, as an Arab Muslim immigrant, sincerely call on the countries of Europe and America to deport all Muslims from their territories - including myself, despite my love and my sincere attachment to the U.S"

Khudayr Taher, deserves a medal for his unmistakable sincerity. He is the pluperfect example of the Islamic baby being necessarily thrown out with the jihadist bathwater. Yet, he himself is the one advocating this. What does that tell you? Personally, I'd like to see him be given a sinecure as an overseas advisor to American foreign policy.

America will never get a more clear or honest message on this topic. I would proudly shake Khudayr Taher's hand and, yes, then deport him along with all other American Muslims. There are few better examples of how preciousand precariousAmerican security is at present. Once terrorism is roundly defeated, I would have little problem with Taher seeking citizenship in America. For now, he represents one of the sacrifices that must be made in order to assure our Nation's well-being.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-07-16 11:17|| 2007-07-16 11:17|| Front Page Top

#2 There's no denying that one of the strenghts that have made possible this islamic re-awakening is the mass-migrations of muslim into non-muslim lands, and the tremendous influence it give islam. This would have been unthinkable only a few decades ago, but now, this is a defining factor in what will eventually unfold, for good or worse. Compared to that, the whole "terror" aspect of the WOT is peanuts... not to belittle the harm done to the victims everywhere, of course, but Britain or France could live basically unchanged even after a successful bombing string (which would be much more difficult to pull without the terrs being able to blend into their community and having to be "imported" from their homelands), whereas mass-immigration of muslims into their national territory changes deeply their ethnic, cultural, moral (breaking down of civility and western values) and religious make up, even assuming the muslim integrate (note nobody is asking for their *assimilation*, which would certainly prove very difficutl due to islam) and this will be VERY HARD to correct.

Posted by anonymous5089 2007-07-16 11:26|| 2007-07-16 11:26|| Front Page Top

#3 And mass-immigration, though of different natutre, is also a factor in the USA, which WILL change you, if left unchecked, make no mistake aboput it. Is non-latino white birthrate even at replacement level?

Posted by anonymous5089 2007-07-16 11:28|| 2007-07-16 11:28|| Front Page Top

#4 I don't know what got into him, but I agree completely.

Posted by Woozle Elmeter2970 2007-07-16 12:43|| 2007-07-16 12:43|| Front Page Top

#5 Even if Western countries did deport all Muslim immigrants (which ain't ever gonna happen), there would still be millions more who were born here. The horses have bolted, it's too late to slam the stable door.

Posted by Jihad Trousers 2007-07-16 12:47|| 2007-07-16 12:47|| Front Page Top

#6 2000 US Census fertility rates:
All races: 2.054
White: 2.019
Black: 2.124
American Indian: 2.503
Asian: 2.275
Hispanic: 2.911

One unknown is whether babies born to illegal alien mothers (380,000 each year) are counted, increasing the perceived Hispanic fertility rate. Either way they are US citiznes and will have the right to immigrate with their parents and siblings when of age.

Posted by ed 2007-07-16 12:53|| 2007-07-16 12:53|| Front Page Top

#7 When enough people have died, you will find the Constitution can be interpreted quite flexibly, assuming vigilantes leave any to deport.

Posted by ed 2007-07-16 12:57|| 2007-07-16 12:57|| Front Page Top

#8 Even if Western countries did deport all Muslim immigrants (which ain't ever gonna happen), there would still be millions more who were born here.

Once Islam has been banned as a seditious ideology its practitioners will face some very serious consequences. As ed noted, those who willingly become traitors to the state can be shorn of their constitutional rights in a New York minute.

Both Germany and Britain already have begun to make noises about internment. A single terrorist nuclear attack should be about all it takes to make the civil rights of American Muslims vanish before the devil can get his shoes on.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-07-16 13:44|| 2007-07-16 13:44|| Front Page Top

#9 Dhimmis like to point to so-called benign sects within Islam. Sufis - like anti Wahabi Sheik Kabbani - appear non-violent. However, the bloody "Dervish Wars" in the Sudan were carried out by Sufis. As for the Islamis, the Assassins arose from that sect. And Muslims can change sects. In fact, Kashmir was largely Sufist, until Wahabist and Deobandist elements recruited locals to terror. After the 7-7 terror the parents of the murderers expressed surprise at the secret conversions. Al-Qaeda was never set up as a formal organization; it is an emulation model, that was meant to exist in cell form. It is in cell function, where most terror arises. Although certain groups arise out of the Saudi financial and moral support groups.

If its Muslim; it is a threat.

Posted by McZoid 2007-07-16 14:34|| 2007-07-16 14:34|| Front Page Top

#10 Yeah, the "it's only a little poisonous spider" argument is weak...

Posted by M. Murcek">M. Murcek 2007-07-16 15:44|| 2007-07-16 15:44|| Front Page Top

#11 those who willingly become traitors to the state

How about changing it to "those who willingly break the social contract", Zenster?

Posted by gromgoru 2007-07-16 21:15|| 2007-07-16 21:15|| Front Page Top

#12 How about changing it to "those who willingly break the social contract", Zenster?

Works for me, gg. For any group to award themselves the exclusive right to subjugate all others is a violation of the social contract. Taqiyya is a similar violation. Unequal treatment of women is another such violation. The list is nearly endess and Islam's name is at the bottom.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-07-16 21:23|| 2007-07-16 21:23|| Front Page Top

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