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2007-07-06 Iraq

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Posted by Fred 2007-07-06 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11125 views ] Top

#1 We have an enlightened Churchhill to thank for Iraq. He was confident they could all just sit down and get along. Here's a not often published quote form the cigar chomper that may amuse you:

"I am storngly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilized trives" Winston Churchill Iraq: From Sumer to Sudan, by Geoff Simons.

T.E. Lawrence was a huge proponent of the "gas" option for these waring, tribal bastards as well.

Unfortunately I'm afraid the only thing we learn from the study of "lessons learned" is that we learn nothing from them.

Posted by Besoeker 2007-07-06 02:48|| 2007-07-06 02:48|| Front Page Top

#2 As usual, washington solutions to promote more misery where there is enough already, Washington DC is on their final seal also.

Posted by newc">newc 2007-07-06 04:59|| 2007-07-06 04:59|| Front Page Top

#3 There will be partition of Iraq. It remains to be seen how much is by negotiation and how much is at gunpoint, and how it is dressed up - strengthened regional autonomy.

The Kurds already know this and doubtless know where their future borders will lie. The Shiia may be waking up to it. The Sunni have get beyond wanting to control all of Iraq to avoid being the big losers.

Posted by phil_b 2007-07-06 06:24|| 2007-07-06 06:24|| Front Page Top

#4 Take out Iran and we wouldn't even have to think of partition.

Posted by McZoid 2007-07-06 06:44|| 2007-07-06 06:44|| Front Page Top

#5 phil_b is right, for all intents and purposes there are already 2 partitions, Kurdistan and everybody else. I think Churchill would probably agree, a united Iraq is a pipe dream. Best to push for a more realistic solution. Not saying a three partition Iraq is the best solution. I am just saying a unified Iraq is not going to happen any time soon, not even within 10 years. Stopping Iran wouldn't solve the problem either (although it would help a bit). There are still tons of weapon caches we haven't found and neutralized. So really stopping Iran would probably only temporarily help the situation.

Posted by AllahHateMe 2007-07-06 08:16|| 2007-07-06 08:16|| Front Page Top

#6 Bingo. McZoids got the answer. Take out Iran and we wouldn't even have to think of partition.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-07-06 08:39|| 2007-07-06 08:39|| Front Page Top

#7 Take out Iran and we wouldn't even have to think of partition.

Some deflective thinking at werk hier. Agree, Iran must be dealt with, either now or later. Thank you Jimmy Carter. But to think that the Iran issue resolved will result in these tribal phue*hs laying down their weapons and becoming civilized is unrealistic. They've had thousands of years of whacking each other. Little will stop them now. Saddam's rule was just a 30 year time out.

Posted by Besoeker 2007-07-06 10:12|| 2007-07-06 10:12|| Front Page Top

#8 The situation where Dar assumes it natural state of "every tribe/family/clan for itself" is not inevitable. There are two other options.
(1) They conquer the World and use modern weapons to sterilize it.
(2) We exterminate them.
I don't like #2, and I really against #1.

Posted by gromgoru 2007-07-06 11:16|| 2007-07-06 11:16|| Front Page Top

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