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2004-05-23 Terror Networks

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Posted by Gentle 2004-05-23 2:40:35 PM|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11132 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Oh, there it is! I was worried I was just being stupid and missing it! Gentle, go to that 130+ comment thread from earlier today and read what I said; I don't feel like repeating it again and I suspect that no one else wants to read it again/see me take up more space than usual.

As for that Bible verse, I just happened to have mine out (girlfriend had me reading something out of it earlier; she's trying hard to civilize me!), and I checked out the passage. Sorry, Gentle, but whoever wrote this did the same thing Muslims accuse others of doing time and time again: taking things out of context. That quote was indeed from Jesus, but he was telling a story, and one of the characters in the story said it. It's the end of the story of the talents (or mina, as my Bible translates it). I grant you it's a strange thing for the guy to say, but say it he did, and not Jesus himself with no other context.

And don't bring the Nazis up: the Arabs sympathized with their interest in destroying the Jews. Haj Amin and King Abdul Aziz of none other than Saudi Arabia, for instance (the latter sent his personal physician!).

There's a lot more, but I need to wade through the rest of the article in detail first.

Posted by The Doctor 2004-05-23 9:52:41 PM|| 2004-05-23 9:52:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Islam is such a diverse religion. There is a branch that spends enormous time and effort telling us how peaceful Islam is by emphasizing the kinder Meccan verses. Then there is a branch which plots to kill us infidels. They emphasize the Medinan verses and say that the Meccan verses have been abrogated. The moderates in this latter branch want to wait until Islam is strong before killing us, the radicals want to kill as many infidels as possible as soon as possible. Such diversity.

Posted by mhw 2004-05-23 10:10:05 PM|| 2004-05-23 10:10:05 PM|| Front Page Top

Does the Qurâan Teach Violence?

Does a pig wallow in mud? Does a bear shit in the woods? Are the Paleos murdering losers?

YES.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2004-05-23 10:12:04 PM|| 2004-05-23 10:12:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 In case anyone has forgotten, watch the WTC video again.

Those which demand the whole world become Muslim were the high-jackers & suicide pilots.

Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-05-23 10:20:29 PM|| [http://www.cnn.com/video/us/2001/09/12/2nd.plane.hits.cnn.med.html] 2004-05-23 10:20:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Barbara and Mark --

Way to go! Agree entirely. Seems that what Allan wants is every infidel dead. Maybe Gentle could explain how sawing off Nick Berg's head with a dull knife promotes peace and love.

Posted by Infidel Bob 2004-05-23 10:26:15 PM|| 2004-05-23 10:26:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 and the VP of the National Islamic Chaplain organization came out with an editorial on Islamonline saying that the Beheading of Nick Berg is.. that's right is.. consistent with Islam.

Its at: http://www.islamonline.net/English/Views/2004/05/article05.shtml##Samir%20Jerez

maybe I'll post it tomorrow as a news item

Posted by mhw 2004-05-23 10:36:36 PM|| 2004-05-23 10:36:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Good idea.

Violence and all its forms are subjectively interpreted. To non-Muslims, the desired interpretation would be âDrop all of your beliefs in fighting against our oppression.â

Posted by Fred 2004-05-23 10:44:01 PM|| 2004-05-23 10:44:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 If they would spend less time trying to convince the 'infidels' that Islam is peaceful, and more time trying to convince Muslims Islam is peaceful, especially their own children, there wouldn't be a problem.
But one thing is for sure, Islam will become peaceful, one way or the other.

Posted by TS(vice girl) 2004-05-23 10:48:13 PM|| 2004-05-23 10:48:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 The interesting thing is that both here and in the long thread, Gentle doesn't condemn the actions of the murderers. They can't and still be true to the Quran. The murderers are following their book, and the mealy-mouthed ones know they're not.

Posted by scott 2004-05-23 10:57:34 PM|| 2004-05-23 10:57:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Infidel Bob says:

Seems that what Allan wants is every infidel dead.

Then we're even - what this infidel wants is Allan dead.

Oh, wait.... He already is, and IN HELL waiting to welcome his deluded followers.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2004-05-23 11:03:55 PM|| 2004-05-23 11:03:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 âI tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence." (Luke 19:26-27)

Gentle...hello! this is a parable that Jesus is telling, Jesus is not asking for anyone to be brought before him to be killed!..maybe if Muslims were allowed to read the Bible they would know this.

Posted by TS(vice girl) 2004-05-23 11:04:23 PM|| 2004-05-23 11:04:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 ROFLMAO. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. After accusing us damn kaffirs of taking the Koran out of context, Mullah boy quotes the Gospels out of context. The passage from Like that he quotes is part of a parable. Here it is in its entirety:

The Parable of the Ten Minas

11While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. 12He said: "A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. 13So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas.[1] 'Put this money to work,' he said, 'until I come back.'
14"But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, 'We don't want this man to be our king.'
15"He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.
16"The first one came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned ten more.'
17" 'Well done, my good servant!' his master replied. 'Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.'
18"The second came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned five more.'
19"His master answered, 'You take charge of five cities.'
20"Then another servant came and said, 'Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.'
22"His master replied, 'I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23Why then didn't you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?'
24"Then he said to those standing by, 'Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.'
25" 'Sir,' they said, 'he already has ten!'
26"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. 27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.â â

The King in Jesus' parable is condemning his enemies (who sent the delegation in verse 14) who didn't want him to be king. Jesus is not literally condemning his opponents to death! I guess that hypocrisy is one of those words that don't translate into Arabic.

Posted by 11A5S 2004-05-23 11:08:10 PM|| 2004-05-23 11:08:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Sorry guys. Of course Jesus is condemning those who resist His rule. You can't equivocate that. It's the tenor of the entire book of Revelation. But it's a far cry between God (who I believe Jesus IS) condemning His enemies and people killing people in His name. That's not His teaching. Self-defense is another matter. As I understand, the commandment is best translated 'Thou shalt not murder'. But even still He warns that those who take the sword may die by it. I can accept that and favor justly using the sword when necessary.

Posted by scott 2004-05-23 11:19:09 PM|| 2004-05-23 11:19:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Scott: You missed TS' and my points. He is talking about condemning people in the next life, not this life -- unlike a certain Arab "prophet."

Posted by 11A5S 2004-05-23 11:22:03 PM|| 2004-05-23 11:22:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 I guess Muhammed didn't 'do' parables..lol
Kinda hard to focus on spiritual truths when you are collecting and servicing your ~~sex-slaves~~ concubines and rousing your mujahideen to ~~kill kill KILL!~~ fight for Allah. And coming up with shit like 72 virgins in heaven. And concentrating on how not to look like a liar when you change what 'Allah' sent down when it doesnt suit your own whims any longer.

Posted by TS(vice girl) 2004-05-23 11:25:39 PM|| 2004-05-23 11:25:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Yeah. Condemning them in the next life, surely. But the action in Revelation is in this life. (3/4 of world pop killed - and He says HE does it {engineers it, I imagine - I don't like it either, but He didn't ask me. Funny thing about God - He thinks He's God})

Posted by scott 2004-05-23 11:33:10 PM|| 2004-05-23 11:33:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Peace be upon the 72 virgin insects that fly up the nose of each jihadee.

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