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2022-05-19 -Short Attention Span Theater-

George W. Bush Confuses Ukraine With Iraq, Calls Iraq An 'Unjustified' Invasion

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Posted by Unaiper Hupaviger1547 2022-05-19 10:03|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11129 views ] Top

#1 🤣

The mask slips.

Posted by Bart White8498 2022-05-19 11:02|| 2022-05-19 11:02|| Front Page Top

#2 Hilarious! That's a Freudian slip for the record books. One of the greatest of all time.

Posted by Thairong Angerens6266 2022-05-19 11:04|| 2022-05-19 11:04|| Front Page Top

#3 Well, the US got UN approval for the liberation of Kuwait and lead a very broad coalition of nations in the action. The record of Saddam's violation of the ceasefire are on record. So, go ahead.

Posted by Procopius2k 2022-05-19 11:07|| 2022-05-19 11:07|| Front Page Top

#4 the invasion of Iraq was preceded by a Senate authorization to use military force

also preceded by UN 1441 which stated that Iraq was in breach of commitments under a previous UN resolution

so even though things didn't turn out so well, the actions of the US were justified legally

Posted by Lord Garth 2022-05-19 11:14|| 2022-05-19 11:14|| Front Page Top

#5 Interesting to note the W and Biden policy parallels:

Victoria Nuland has her fingerprints all over both these disasters. That crazy neo-con bitch was Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff!

In both cases, Nuland and the other nutjobs obsessed over a nasty foreign leader and hyped up a minor threat to a ridiculously overblown degree. Saddam was a regional bully who didn't threaten the US. Putin is a nasty piece of work who doesn't threaten the US.

No wonder George W so easily confused Iraq and Ukraine. They're both instances of neo-con stupidity, hysteria and blundering that made a bad situation infinitely worse -- for us and everyone involved.

Posted by Oscar Fleretch7998 2022-05-19 11:19|| 2022-05-19 11:19|| Front Page Top

#6 The legality isn't the point. The Iraq War was one of the stupidest blunders ever made by a great power. Unlike Ukraine and Russia, we intervened against a nonexistent threat based on the obsessive ravings of a deranged Vice President -- and then we completely trashed the country and threw away 10,000 of our soldiers' lives (and over 100,000 civilian lives).

And blew $1.6 trillion of our people's money -- for nothing.

Ukraine is another fool's errand. Biden is far less intelligent than George W Bush, and he's surrounded by freaks and fools, so of course Biden is plunging into an even stupider and more disastrous war than W did. This one will cost us a trillion and will bring about the end of the US as the dominant power in the world. A pointless intervention stoked by foolish neo-con delusions.

That's surely the parallel at work in George W's subconscious mind.

Posted by Bart White8498 2022-05-19 11:29|| 2022-05-19 11:29|| Front Page Top

#7 Looks like the Chekist has issued the talking points for today. Russian propaganda performs about as well as their armor tactics.

Posted by Nero 2022-05-19 11:43|| 2022-05-19 11:43|| Front Page Top

#8 According to documents obtained by the Open Source Troll Report:
Today's theme is the Iraq War (thank you, GW Bush!).
Re-litigate the war using stale talking points and insults, but try to avoid issue of WMDs (it is a tell for trollery)
Make liberal use of the Bullshit Asymmetry Principle - it is 10 times harder to refute bullshit arguments than it is to make them.

Posted by SteveS 2022-05-19 11:47|| 2022-05-19 11:47|| Front Page Top

#9 Obviously, Putin is Joe Biden's sock puppet.

Posted by Matt 2022-05-19 12:06|| 2022-05-19 12:06|| Front Page Top

#10 Troll
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Try to change the subject all you like, but it was W who confused Iraq and Ukraine. Obviously there's a connection.

For what it's worth I supported the Iraq War based on the WMD argument. But like all of us who supported it, I was wrong. Saddam did not threaten the US. He threatened Iran, and Israel, but not the US.

It was stupid for us to waste over a trillion dollars and get our soldiers killed. We destroyed the country and destroyed stability in the region. It was a well-intentioned blunder.

Ukraine is also well-intentioned but it's a huge blunder nonetheless. The parallels are clear:

- a nasty and aggressive regional strongman who's being distorted by the Military--Industrial Complex plus assorted neo-con fools to be the "2nd Coming of Hitler"

- distortion of various local grifters and thugs to make them into "brave" allies fighting for "democracy" and "freedom" -- while they steal us blind

- taking our eyes off the ball by engaging in another mindless adventure when we have fires to put out at home.

I lived through it. Official D.C. went crazy with war fever in 2003, and the whole thing quickly turned into a trillion-dollar fiasco.

So keep posting your bullshit about "trolls" all you like and keep on pretending that this Ukraine adventure is anything but a tar baby, but this D.C. veteran says NO FUCKING THANKS.

Been there, done that. Won't get fooled again.

Posted by Bart White8498 2022-05-19 12:51|| 2022-05-19 12:51|| Front Page Top

#11 I can hear the anti-WoTs:

"That's right Dub-ya, you war criminal! Now shut up so Cheney and the MICs can tell me how hard I need to Ukraine today."

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-05-19 13:05|| 2022-05-19 13:05|| Front Page Top

#12 "That's right Dub-ya, you war criminal! Now shut up so Cheney and the MICs can tell me how hard I need to Ukraine today."

The classic leftist conjecture: "This time is different!"

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-05-19 13:14|| 2022-05-19 13:14|| Front Page Top

#13 DC insiders remember all the bullshit leading up to the Iraq invasion -- I know; I swallowed it, too. I believed in the same garbage you all did: Overhyping a regional dictator into a 2nd Coming of Hitler threat to the US homeland.

You and I heard nonstop bullshit then as now about our heroic "allies" like Chalabi who were and are just shortly little grifters jerking us around and stealing us blind.

And we've already seen the same damned outcome: the country we're trying to "liberate" is completely ruined, tens of thousands of innocents have been slaughtered, and the furies have been unleashed.

So go ahead and Siam us with your stupid bullshit about "trolls" this and "Chekist" that, but those who were inside the Bush Administration in 2003 know better.

No more fucking stupid interventions for overhyped threats. No thanks. We need to wind this one down and get the fuck out before we blow another trillion dollars of borrowed Chinese money.

Posted by Bart White8498 2022-05-19 13:15|| 2022-05-19 13:15|| Front Page Top

#14 ^ Anyone who in hindsight says "I still believe in what W did in Iraq," basically deserves to be ignored with prejudice.

Posted by M. Murcek 2022-05-19 13:17|| 2022-05-19 13:17|| Front Page Top

#15 Sorry for the duplicate post. I hate Putin as much as anyone but I hate the neo-cons even more. These insane zealots have led us into one disaster after another. Ukraine is another clusterfuck -- even worse than Iraq because we don't even have any compelling national interest there.

Posted by Bart White8498 2022-05-19 13:19|| 2022-05-19 13:19|| Front Page Top

#16 Anyone who in hindsight says "I still believe in what W did in Iraq," basically deserves to be ignored with prejudice.

Amen. Everyone makes mistakes. W is a highly intelligent man and his intentions were good, but we got it wrong. Saddam was a nasty POS, just as Putin is, but Saddam was not a major threat to us and neither is Putin.

Trashing a distant country, unleashing a wider war and torching our economy was stupid then. It's ruinous now. We have no excuse for pouring gas on the flames this time.

Posted by Bart White8498 2022-05-19 13:23|| 2022-05-19 13:23|| Front Page Top

#17 "That's right Dub-ya, you war criminal! Now shut up so Cheney and the MICs can tell me how hard I need to Ukraine today."

The classic leftist conjecture: "This time is different!"

Among that orbit I saw the acceptance and even promotion of Drone Theory culminate around 2012. To paraphase slightly, Obama's "I kill HVTs for breakfast." was part of that indulgence.

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-05-19 13:25|| 2022-05-19 13:25|| Front Page Top

#18 Great discussion. Another parallel: Cheney and the neo-cons created their "Homeland Security" monster that provided the basis for all the COVID lockdown lies and gestapo crap. All of those thuggish tactics for suppressing the domestic population were hatched by the Bushies as part of their overblown overhyped war on terror.

Just last night the Democrats passed their own version of the Homeland Security overreach. The neo-con mentality lives on: hype a minor foreign threat into a trillion-dollar overseas crusade and tighten the screws on the population at home.

This time it's just the Democrats in charge. Same playbook.

Posted by Sheldon Katzen 2022-05-19 13:33|| 2022-05-19 13:33|| Front Page Top

#19 ^ Victoria Nuland is now the #2 State Department official. She's actually running the show while Blinken recovers from AIDS. I mean COVID.

So Nuland just went to Africa. And now Biden sends troops back into effing Somalia... you just can't make this shit up.

Posted by Oscar Fleretch7998 2022-05-19 13:40|| 2022-05-19 13:40|| Front Page Top

#20 Kind of wish we'd had a plan for what to do once we cleared out Saddam. Kind of like the dog that catches the mail truck...

Posted by Angstrom 2022-05-19 14:32|| 2022-05-19 14:32|| Front Page Top

#21 Trashing a distant country, unleashing a wider war and torching our economy was stupid then. It's ruinous now. We have no excuse for pouring gas on the flames this time.

I guess the Bushies could at least shrug off their Iraq adventure's price tag by noting that in 2003, our economy was riding high and China was still a lesser power. Our debt in 2003 was "only" $6.7 trillion, which was a more or less manageable 59% of GDP.

Biden's foreign adventure is happening with 5x the debt that the Bushies had: $32 trillion. Biden's debt to GDP ratio, 125%, is definitely unsustainable now and is costing us at least 1% in annual economic growth.

So yeah, Biden's Folly is going to hurt us even more than Bush's Folly

Posted by Sheldon Katzen 2022-05-19 14:44|| 2022-05-19 14:44|| Front Page Top

#22 He wanted to boost his views so pulled a trump and gave them some click bait. Interesting he would draw any attention given the recent article about Sarin and IWS.

Posted by Jefe101 2022-05-19 16:00|| 2022-05-19 16:00|| Front Page Top

#23 M. Murcek, the war in Iraq did show us that Islam and Democracy are not really compatible. I now feel comfortable letting the entire Arab world burn in a way I didn't before. High price to pay but there is something.

Posted by ruprecht 2022-05-19 16:00|| 2022-05-19 16:00|| Front Page Top

#24

/\ Ditto ruprecht. I've always believed in the existence of incompatible cultures.

Posted by Besoeker 2022-05-19 16:22|| 2022-05-19 16:22|| Front Page Top

#25 @#12 - For sure. Even Sanders says the Venezuelan brand of Socialism is "different". Yeah, right.

Posted by DooDahMan 2022-05-19 16:46|| 2022-05-19 16:46|| Front Page Top

#26 To all of you idiots!
Please list 10 reasons why you are afraid of President Putin
Thx

Posted by Conservative conserve 2022-05-19 17:20|| 2022-05-19 17:20|| Front Page Top

#27 ^ Dude, did you see the way he strangled that giant fish with his bare hands? *shudder*

Posted by SteveS 2022-05-19 17:26|| 2022-05-19 17:26|| Front Page Top

#28 #26 I believe that there are more than 10 launch sites and SSBM in the Russian inventory to reach the Continental US.

And the man and his agents have been rattling that sword since the very beginning of this mess he created.

Posted by Procopius2k 2022-05-19 17:31|| 2022-05-19 17:31|| Front Page Top

#29 Plane loads of American men, women and children were being slammed into the he World Trade Center Towers, the Pentagon and into fields on Pennsylvania on their way to the White House by Middle Easterners.

Osama, Saddam absorbed our wrath.

Putin is capitalizing on the weakness of America because the American people no longer are in control via fraudulent elections. The US is now another third world sh!t show tyranny run by a Kenyan, Obama and his VP Biden.

Posted by Crons Tholush7614 2022-05-19 17:40|| 2022-05-19 17:40|| Front Page Top

#30 Remember when he punched that meteor out of the sky?

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-05-19 17:50|| 2022-05-19 17:50|| Front Page Top

#31 Or when he sat in the same room over 10 minutes with Obama without rolling his eyes once?

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-05-19 17:52|| 2022-05-19 17:52|| Front Page Top

#32 每個人都想知道為什麼中國孩子不相信聖誕老人？

製作玩具

Posted by Crons Tholush7614 2022-05-19 17:53|| 2022-05-19 17:53|| Front Page Top

#33 3 reasons I loathe and fear The Putin:

Because our kleptocratic fool politicos use it as a scapegoat for their failures

Because our MIC uses it as an excuse to get Congress to waste our money on their junk and sell more of their $hit to far-right nationalist wackos

Because Biden uses it to distract foolish Americans from his rolling shitshow

Posted by Sheldon Katzen 2022-05-19 18:02|| 2022-05-19 18:02|| Front Page Top

#34 I heard he found a way to make British food worse.

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-05-19 18:03|| 2022-05-19 18:03|| Front Page Top

#35 Bangers and Mash NOW with Beets!

Posted by Frank G 2022-05-19 19:31|| 2022-05-19 19:31|| Front Page Top

#36 Saddam Hussein had advanced training courses for jihadi cadres at Salman Pak, including courses in hijacking, poison gasses, and biological attacks attended by, among others, key members of Al Qaeda. We found all that after the 2003 invasion, along with fields of bunkers storing barrels of pesticides that work equally well on humans. Not to mention his handing out $25,000 checks to Palestinians who murdered or attempted to murder Jewish Israelis. All that is documented in the Rantburg archives. See the archive search for Salman Pak here.

The invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and the destruction we wrought, was fair return for the intent of 9/11 and other attacks going back several decades. Our mistake was staying to repair and rebuild afterward, instead of leaving them the lesson of rubble and death to the horizon.

On the other hand, nobody has been stupid enough to try a mass attack on the U.S. like 9/11 ever since. Compare that to what Russia, Europe, and England have been dealing with ever since, also as documented in Rantburg’s archives — and available for anyone who wants to search.

I’m not afraid of President Putin. At the moment I feel sorry for him, given the dreadful result of him believing President Biden’s original statement that Biden was unconcerned about Russia moving into the Ukraine, without taking into account that the Americans, inter alia, had been more or less quietly training and arming Ukraine since 2014 or so. I am, however, concerned about the idiots on our side who wave him around, assuming that Russia is a trigger for conservatives/Republicans, when in fact it isn’t. It’s led the Democrats into all sorts of errors with worldwide secondary effects.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-05-19 21:41|| 2022-05-19 21:41|| Front Page Top

#37 As for former President Bush’s verbal fumble, he’s famous for them. I don’t see how this particular one is more meaningful than and of the gross stupidities that have been tumbling from Joe Biden’s lips for the better part of half a century of public life.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-05-19 21:48|| 2022-05-19 21:48|| Front Page Top

#38 Than any of. PIMF!!

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