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2022-05-10 -Lurid Crime Tales-

Ex-NBA, Michigan State star center Adreian Payne dead in Florida shooting at 31

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Posted by Fred 2022-05-10 00:00|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11132 views ] Top

#1 Nothing much good takes place at that hour of the morning.

Posted by Besoeker 2022-05-10 01:32|| 2022-05-10 01:32|| Front Page Top

#2 Journalism is absolutely shit these days. Lots of fluff about his basketball career that is completely irrelevant other than the only reason we are reading about another instance of black murder in America. A dozen a day or more happen. The shooter remained on scene and cooperated. There’s the real story. Something went down. Befriending a cancer kid in the past is pr spin to deflect. Not having read the full article (because I simply don’t care) my take is that basketball Jones was probably the aggressor for some reason and it was at the shooter’s home. Since the writer refuses to report any real facts, I suppose I’m free to make up my own.

Posted by Lowspark 2022-05-10 11:29|| 2022-05-10 11:29|| Front Page Top

#3 After posting the above comment, I read the full article just in case. I am correct on three counts. I assumed race correctly. There were no relevant facts. Rantburg summaries provide all the information unless specifically stated that there is more detail in the article.

Posted by Lowspark 2022-05-10 11:39|| 2022-05-10 11:39|| Front Page Top

#4 I suspect you are right Lowspark. 1st degree, does that mean something other or in addition to planning it in Florida?

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-05-10 12:22|| 2022-05-10 12:22|| Front Page Top

#5 Since the writer refuses to report any real facts, I suppose I’m free to make up my own.

Your facts are really just educated guesses but they're probably as close to the truth as we're gonna get.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-05-10 13:08|| 2022-05-10 13:08|| Front Page Top

#6 It sounds like you are well educated.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2022-05-10 13:09|| 2022-05-10 13:09|| Front Page Top

#7 Can’t speak for Florida. In most cases premeditation can be established by simply getting a gun from a cabinet. Second degree is usually the old crime of passion or a fight that got out of hand. There was no intent to kill up to the exact instance. Getting a gun from a car or other place gives time to think about one’s actions. Also police tend to over charge on crimes. It gives the prosecutors lots of bargaining chips. If one is charged with first degree murder and facing life or even death, a plea bargain becomes a very large carrot with reduced charges and drastically reduced sentences. One always has the right to trial. A trial by a jury of pissed off peers who we’re forced to take off work and be bored to death. A jury with fastest way to get out of jury duty is a guilty verdict. Besides, if he wasn’t guilty he wouldn’t be sitting in that chair, amiright? Every second costs money too. Bleed ‘em and plead ‘em is the saying. A far cry from the Founding Fathers’ ideal that it be better for 1,000 guilty men to go free than 1 innocent man be punished. Wow. I reckon I tangented there for a second. I apologize for off topic commentary.

Posted by Lowspark 2022-05-10 13:31|| 2022-05-10 13:31|| Front Page Top

#8 Thanks, Abu. I accept your gift of water in the spirit with which it was given.

Posted by Lowspark 2022-05-10 13:51|| 2022-05-10 13:51|| Front Page Top

#9 No great answer; I guess what I was pondering was if suspect hosted a party which led to circumstances related to a crime, such as drug use, if that ups a charge, if you will.

These athletes with causes are usually in deference to jail time. "We measured your BAL at 2.3 and found something other than coffee in your vehicle. Now, Hizzonour wouldn't like the cityball's starting position player on the news, and he has a cousin Vinny trying to get into office over in midnight basketballville. Suppose you go down there, get some face time, papers write a good story, and this never happened. That work for you Mr. Sports Union Lawyer? Oh, and Officer Rico who pulled you over, see he ain't from around here, so he has $20,000 bet on the other team next game, understand? We're trying to get him to cheer for the home team, but you know, things take time."

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-05-10 13:54|| 2022-05-10 13:54|| Front Page Top

#10 It absolutely can, swksvolFF. I guarantee cat daddy is facing a lot more charges than just 1st degree murder. All of which are going to be complicated by who, what, when, where, why, and to what extent. The premeditation for a 1st degree must be proved. Hosting a party with dope and shooting an out of control guest in self defense isn’t premeditation. Baiting someone you don’t like to a party might be. Then you get into the civil tort shit where the property owner gets sued by all parties involved. It’s all in the facts. Which we will never get.

Posted by Lowspark 2022-05-10 15:16|| 2022-05-10 15:16|| Front Page Top

#11 Still waiting on the Jovan Belcher DUI pull-over report and end-of-event toxicology.

Posted by swksvolFF 2022-05-10 15:26|| 2022-05-10 15:26|| Front Page Top

#12 Hosting a party with dope and shooting an out of control guest in self defense isn’t premeditation.

We call that Saturday.

Posted by SteveS 2022-05-10 16:38|| 2022-05-10 16:38|| Front Page Top

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