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2004-05-10 -Short Attention Span Theater-
Signs and Portents: A Plague of Frogs
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Posted by Steve 2004-05-10 9:35:50 AM|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11130 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1  Biologists theorize that their residence in Golden Gate Park's Lily Pond and in areas of Southern California may be due to researchers depositing the frogs in the ponds to save them from destruction. Pet stores and collectors wary of being slapped with fines of up to $1,000 may have also have released them into local creeks and ponds


Two prime examples of the law of unintended consequences. The eco-types seldom think things through.
Posted by RWV 2004-05-10 10:08:06 AM||   2004-05-10 10:08:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 The 17-year cycle of cicada plagues is hitting this year again, too. Look for several million of the critters infesting Ohio in the next few weeks.
Posted by Dar  2004-05-10 10:36:55 AM||   2004-05-10 10:36:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Oh, forgot the obligatory:

African frogs--why do they hate us?
Posted by Dar  2004-05-10 10:37:32 AM||   2004-05-10 10:37:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 The 17-year cycle of cicada plagues is hitting this year again, too. Look for several million of the critters infesting Ohio in the next few weeks.

Given the amount of press hype they've gotten, I expect the cicadas to cancel their appearance just to embarass the media.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2004-05-10 10:42:07 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com]  2004-05-10 10:42:07 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Ahhhhh crap - more of the obligatory: "you fry them up and they taste kinda like chicken..."


Uh noooooo, they taste like a fried BUG!
Posted by Frank G  2004-05-10 10:45:47 AM||   2004-05-10 10:45:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Mmm fried bug.

Tarantula tastes a bit like crab, you know?
Posted by Bulldog  2004-05-10 10:48:09 AM||   2004-05-10 10:48:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Even worse, they're kind of cute -- and thus more likely to be whisked away by children and dumped into other ponds, where they spread even more.

Nah,I think the kids make a good pesticide:
"Come with me my froggy friend! Live in my pond! *squish* Now why does that keep happening?"
Posted by Miss Gunn 2004-05-10 10:55:13 AM||   2004-05-10 10:55:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Atkins diet heaven frogs and crickets for free
Posted by Shipman 2004-05-10 10:58:22 AM||   2004-05-10 10:58:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 I'm not worried untill the giant locusts show up.
Posted by N guard 2004-05-10 12:16:04 PM||   2004-05-10 12:16:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Maybe we could send them the snakehead that is infesting Maryland lakes again this year. Could be fun to watch the snakehead and the pike fight it out ...
Posted by Sofia  2004-05-10 12:31:17 PM||   2004-05-10 12:31:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 

TODAY, SAN FRANCISCO, TOMORROW, THE WORLD!

Posted by BigEd 2004-05-10 12:36:23 PM||   2004-05-10 12:36:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Maybe we could send them the snakehead that is infesting Maryland lakes again this year. Could be fun to watch the snakehead and the pike fight it out ...

I like that idea. I like the idea of recruiting the NRA to solve the frog problem even more. We wouldn't have "invasion" problems on this scale if the Left would just let us kill the buggers. Unfortuneatly, the Left doesn't seem to understand the term "Pre-emptive strike".
Posted by Charles  2004-05-10 1:07:06 PM||   2004-05-10 1:07:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 this not good but it not eco peples fault! this happen when fascist greedy aquarium trade peples go taking animal out of natural envirement to make money. the frog are going do great damage in one of the world most beutyful emvirement. the jerk that put northern pike in california lake is doing alot of harm native trout species just so he can get kick out of hooking northern pike in blood sport. salton sea basin nearly see all native species disappear because jack ass put cichlid in it.
Posted by muck4doo 2004-05-10 1:41:30 PM|| [http://petaenespanol.com/cinco/]  2004-05-10 1:41:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 Of course, mucky, chainney's behind it, right?
Posted by Jen  2004-05-10 1:42:21 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-05-10 1:42:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 ummmm cichlids in salton sea? how about corvina? BTW what was native before, Mucky? dust devils? spotted dirt fish?
Posted by Frank G  2004-05-10 2:00:49 PM||   2004-05-10 2:00:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 pupfish were native.
Posted by muck4doo 2004-05-10 2:03:04 PM|| [http://petaenespanol.com/cinco/]  2004-05-10 2:03:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 WTF is a pupfish?!?
Posted by Jen  2004-05-10 2:06:22 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-05-10 2:06:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 there family cyprinads that have blue color with yellowish tail. grow about 2 to 3 inches.
Posted by muck4doo 2004-05-10 2:10:27 PM|| [http://petaenespanol.com/cinco/]  2004-05-10 2:10:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Bzzzzt - pupfish live in seasonal vernal pools, Salton Sea is a man-made body of water when the Colorado burst a levee
Posted by Frank G  2004-05-10 2:36:09 PM||   2004-05-10 2:36:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Frank G - Yes. Few people know about that. Look at a map of California in the 19th century. Curiously the Salton sea area - below sea level was the lowest elevation on Earth before the Salton Sea, and NO ONE relaized it.
Posted by BigEd 2004-05-10 4:03:43 PM||   2004-05-10 4:03:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 I'm knowing muck4doo don't have a pork chop around his neck.
Posted by Fury 4 2004-05-10 4:06:12 PM||   2004-05-10 4:06:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 frank g! you doubting me on this? im going have to whip out my superior debate skillz on you now. be back in minute. you are sooooo wrong buddy.
Posted by muck4doo 2004-05-11 12:37:42 PM|| [http://petaenespanol.com/cinco/]  2004-05-11 12:37:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 here is some information of which there is lot more here.

FIGURES

Figure 1. Distribution of desert pupfish and designated critical habitat around the Salton Sea, California.

1.0 Introduction

&##9;The desert pupfish (Cyprinodontidae, Cyprinodon macularius (Baird and Girard 1853)) is the only fish endemic to the Salton Sink. There are two subspecies in the United States: a Colorado River form (C. m. macularius Baird and Girard) and a Quitobaquito form (C. m. eremus Miller and Fuiman) (Marsh and Sada 1993). This report focuses on C. m. macularius, whose wild populations occur around the Salton Sea (Marsh and Sada 1993). Information was obtained from a literature search conducted by the California Department of Fish and Game (CDFG), an internet search, and from the library at the Bureau of Reclamation in Denver, Colorado. Recent unpublished survey data were obtained from CDFG.

and furthemore mister g:

2.0 Distribution and Abundance in the Salton Sea

&##9;Desert pupfish were once widespread and abundant in portions of southern Arizona and southeastern California, United States, and northern Baja California and Sonora, Mexico (Miller 1943). In 1859, Girard first reported desert pupfish in California in some saline springs in Imperial County (Jordan, Evermann, and Clark 1930). After the Salton Sink was flooded in 1904-1907 by diversion of the Colorado River, desert pupfish colonized what is now known as the Salton Sea (Thompson and Bryant 1920) and was reported as "abundant" by several authors (Coleman 1929; Cowles 1934; Barlow 1958, 1961; Walker 1961). However, only Barlow (1961) provided an estimate of 10,000 individuals in a single shoreline pool of the Salton Sea. Collections made by CDFG and others, including Schoenherr (1979), in the late 1950s to early 1960s indicated that desert pupfish abundance at the Salton Sea was severely declining (Black 1980). In surveys conducted by CDFG in 1978-1979, desert pupfish accounted for 3 percent of the total catch in irrigation drains, 5 percent of the catch from shoreline pools, and less than 1 percent of the catch from three natural permanent tributaries and the Salton Sea proper (Black 1980). However, desert pupfish accounted for 70 percent of the total catch from San Felipe Creek, an intermittent tributary to the Salton Sea.

&##9;The desert pupfish was listed as a California endangered species in1980 (CDFG 1980). The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) listed this species and its critical habitat as endangered in 1986 because of habitat alteration, introductions of exotic species and contaminants, and other habitat impacts (FWS 1986). Designated critical habitat includes San Felipe Creek, Carrizo Wash, and Fish Creek Wash in Imperial County, California (FWS 1986). Figure 1 shows the general distribution of desert pupfish around the Salton Sea. Current desert pupfish populations occur in drains directly discharging to the Salton Sea, in shoreline pools of the Salton Sea, several artificial refugia, and in desert washes at San Felipe Creek and Salt Creek. Pupfish are not known to occur in the New or Alamo Rivers because of the high sediment loads, excessive velocities, and presence of predators (Imperial Irrigation District 1994).

never debate me animal issues. im always watch animal planet learn lot of stuff!
Posted by muck4doo 2004-05-11 12:45:39 PM|| [http://petaenespanol.com/cinco/]  2004-05-11 12:45:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Im learn stuf too Mucky - pupfish are native to vernal (seasonal pools) and thrive during wet seasons - see also: Fairy Shrimp. As you noted, they also occur in the Colorado River, and in other saline springs. The Salton Sea is manmade through error, has no outlet, and with the increasing salinity, and chemical load from farming runoff into tributaries, is becoming inhospitable to most species.... it was a non-natural body of water, and without major HUMAN intervention, will become a dead sea. I don't disagree that it should be maintained, it's a major bird stopoff in the migratory pattern, and I love Quail and Dove mmmm (or as Petaenespanol would say: Me gusta el carne)
;-)
Posted by Frank G  2004-05-11 12:57:04 PM||   2004-05-11 12:57:04 PM|| Front Page Top

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