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2004-05-10 China-Japan-Koreas
North Korea’s Kim Said Won’t Abandon Nukes
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Posted by Zenster 2004-05-10 12:33:29 AM|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11128 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Just like the big furry monster in the Warner Bros. cartoons. We'll love them and hug them and love them and hug them....... Just feeling a little silly this AM
Posted by cheaderhead 2004-05-10 6:28:13 AM||   2004-05-10 6:28:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 We'll love them and hug them and..

And call them "George"?
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-05-10 12:37:52 PM||   2004-05-10 12:37:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 North Korean leader Kim Jong-il told Chinese President Hu Jintao last month...
Note that there's still no current news from Kim himself.
Did he survive the train ride home or WHAT?
Posted by Jen  2004-05-10 12:40:58 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-05-10 12:40:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Did he survive the train ride home or WHAT?

My own opinion is that he did survive, but thinks the train explosion was aimed at him. He's holed up in a bunker on paranoia overdrive, while the security forces look for the usual suspects.
Posted by Steve  2004-05-10 12:49:06 PM||   2004-05-10 12:49:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Jen / Steve, he surfaced about 3 or 4 days after the explosion with his senior defense staff in tow to visit a military installation near Pyongyang. He hasn't been reported as seen since.
Posted by RWV 2004-05-10 12:54:32 PM||   2004-05-10 12:54:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 And we all know why North Korea has the stuff they do, don't we?


Posted by BigEd 2004-05-10 12:55:26 PM||   2004-05-10 12:55:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 RWV, you sure? Got link?
Posted by Jen  2004-05-10 12:57:08 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-05-10 12:57:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 Got link:

Tuesday, May 04, 2004: North Korea's leader made his first appearance since last month's deadly train explosion, according to official media that also kept up rhetorical attacks against Washington despite a US offer of emergency aid.
Kim Jong-il inspected a military unit and met soldiers, the official KCNA news agency said in a report on yesterday that did not mention when the inspection by the elusive leader took place.

Still nothing reliable that can be dated.
Posted by Steve  2004-05-10 2:24:51 PM||   2004-05-10 2:24:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Jen, I picked this up out of the 3 May Washington Times and posted it on Rantburg.

http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20040503-051025-2386r.htm
Posted by RWV 2004-05-10 3:40:22 PM||   2004-05-10 3:40:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Given the likely anger in the military over famine deaths, Kim Jong Il must now fear the military as his greatest threat, which is perhaps why he avoids visiting military units that are engaged in exercises using live ammunition
(U.S. government sources).
Posted by Zenster 2004-05-10 5:26:44 PM||   2004-05-10 5:26:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Zenster: Somehow, China’s own credibility and prestige must be made to hinge upon them properly defusing the North Korean crisis.

China's not going to solve this problem. In Chinese eyes, North Korean nukes are a benefit, not a problem. The Chinese are engaging in theater again, pretending to chastise Kim Jong Il, while continuing to supply him with nuclear material. China proliferates as a matter of state policy, in order to balance the power of the US. The US carries out its regional balance-of-power goals using its blue water navy - China does so by selling nukes and ballistic missiles to America's enemies. Irresponsible? Yes. Effective? Yes. The only thing that might prevent China from proliferating further is a threat that an attack on the US using Chinese-provided nukes will be met by the annihilation of China. (It would also help if the US deployed an effective ballistic missile system). I see no sign that US leaders are prepared to make that statement.
Posted by Zhang Fei  2004-05-10 5:45:05 PM||   2004-05-10 5:45:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 Zhang Fei, I'm well aware of how China seeks to counterbalance American military might through proliferation. At some point, both China and Pakistan must be pilloried for the intensely destabilizing effect their spread of nuclear technology has had upon the world. It seems as though Japan is getting their fill of North Korea's nuclear aspirations.

I agree that China needs to be read the riot act about retaliation if North Korea ever launches a single missle attack against anyone. Someone needs to draw them some maps for the path of Pyongyang's fallout cloud. Fortunately, American ballistic missile technology is measuring up to the threat.

At some point, China must be forced to realize that any role they seek as an economic power is totally compromised by their fostering of so much uncertainty in the Asian sphere. It is for this specific reason that China must never be sold any advanced weapons systems like those they are currently attempting to purchase from Europe.
Posted by Zenster 2004-05-10 9:08:51 PM||   2004-05-10 9:08:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 Zenster, you’re right -- Clinton already gave China far too much technology! In a different vein, however, I don’t recall you ever answering a central question that you have been repeatedly asked: How do you square your gung-ho, pro-USA-military, pro-National security, “kill them all, let God sort them out” rhetoric with your “Bush is a crook” rhetoric? Generally, when I ask you this question (or versions of the same) you ignore it or just stop posting for awhile, but I really think inquiring minds would like to hear your answer to the question.
Posted by cingold 2004-05-10 9:14:00 PM||   2004-05-10 9:14:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 I would, cingold, especially since President Bush (whom Zboy calls "Shrub") is directly responsible for the ballistic missile defense of SDI that he cites for praise above.
(And before "Shrub," it was that other hated GOP President Ronaldus Magnus, whom I'll bet Zipper calls "Ray-gun," who pushed for "Star Wars" and funding of the Patriot missile program in the first place and was villified for it!)
Posted by Jen  2004-05-10 9:42:35 PM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com]  2004-05-10 9:42:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Thanks alot Bill Clinton...
Posted by Anonymous4789 2004-05-10 9:43:37 PM||   2004-05-10 9:43:37 PM|| Front Page Top

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