Archived material Access restricted Article
Rantburg

Today's Front Page   View All of Thu 03/31/2005 View Wed 03/30/2005 View Tue 03/29/2005 View Mon 03/28/2005 View Sun 03/27/2005 View Sat 03/26/2005 View Fri 03/25/2005
1
2005-03-31 Home Front: Politix
Supreme Court, Appeals Court Reject Appeals -- Schiavo Nears Two Weeks Without Food or Water
Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.
Posted by cingold 2005-03-31 4:14:28 AM|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [11138 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 The disability rights organizations get it. See, e.g., the "Not Dead Yet" website. Here’s a sample of what "Not Dead Yet" is saying:
26 national disability rights organizations have adopted a position in support of Terri Schiavo's right to continue to receive food and water. The evidence that Ms. Schiavo would refuse tube feeding is so unclear and conflicted that it does not satisfy legal standards. The lower court in Florida can pretend otherwise, and the Florida appellate courts can refuse to question the lower court judge, but it serves society poorly to give guardians such an unfettered right to kill.
From Schiavo Case is About Disability Rights -- March 20, 2005

Here’s pictures of how they are protesting:


Disabled activists stage a protest calling for continued care and feeding of Terri Schiavo during a protest at the Thompson Center Plaza in Chicago, Illinois. Hat tip: (AFP/Getty Images/Scott Olson, and Yahoo)


A protester in a wheelchair argues with police . . . Hat tip: (AP Photo/Evan Vucci, and Yahoo)

IT IS A GRIEVOUS INJURY TO OUR SOCIETY, AND TO THE SOCIAL COMPACT OF GOVERNMENT, THAT THE STATE HAS ABANDONED THIS WOMAN -- LEAVING HER TO DIE A SLOW AND TORTUROUS DEATH IN THE UNCARING HANDS OF HER BRUTAL HUSBAND. Every nay saying Florida legislator should be thrown out of office.
Posted by cingold 2005-03-31 5:52:35 AM||   2005-03-31 5:52:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Two weeks? She's held on quite a long time for someone who supposedly didn't want to live "like that". A will to live, one might say.
Posted by eLarson 2005-03-31 7:47:30 AM|| [http://larsonian.blogspot.com]  2005-03-31 7:47:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Damn arrogant judges. Do you think Congress will *how* take the juducary to task?
Posted by CrazyFool 2005-03-31 9:16:13 AM||   2005-03-31 9:16:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 will *now* take the judicary to task....
Posted by CrazyFool 2005-03-31 9:38:24 AM||   2005-03-31 9:38:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 she just died - her parents were denied access. Michael Schiavo, his atty and Judge Greer shoulod be treated like the subhuman shit they are
Posted by Frank G  2005-03-31 9:49:14 AM||   2005-03-31 9:49:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Just before Schiavo's feeding tube was removed, rumors were that the Senate Republicans were going wobbly on the "Constitutional Option." If this is true, and they fail to at least fight this battle, I will do everything I can to punish them at the ballot box. They will have shown that they are no different from Democrats.
Posted by SR71 2005-03-31 10:00:30 AM||   2005-03-31 10:00:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Now, it's murder.
Posted by badanov  2005-03-31 10:06:04 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org]  2005-03-31 10:06:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 I am sad but hardly surprised to hear that the Schindlers were denied access to the room in Terri's final hour.
Posted by eLarson 2005-03-31 10:18:55 AM|| [http://larsonian.blogspot.com]  2005-03-31 10:18:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Mel Gibson put it best. This is a modern day crucifiction. I think the Bible verses below explains a lot.

Matthew 25:40-46

40“The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’

41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45“He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Posted by Poison Reverse 2005-03-31 10:33:39 AM||   2005-03-31 10:33:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Rest in peace Terri.

Posted by anon 2005-03-31 10:33:39 AM||   2005-03-31 10:33:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 cingold : I posted "Judge" Birch's tantrum against W and the Congress yesterday on RB... Seems little Stan needs a "time-out" and to go sit in the corner.

"The tragic events that have afflicted Mrs. Schiavo and that have been compounded by the resulting passionate inter-family struggle and media focus certainly qualify as “hard facts.” And, while the members of her family and the members of Congress have acted in a way that is both fervent and sincere, the time has come for dispassionate discharge of duty."

Dispassionate Discharge also happens when congress impeaches and convicts federal judges as well...



STANLEY BIRCH
Posted by BigEd 2005-03-31 10:49:43 AM||   2005-03-31 10:49:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Hugh posted yesterday about Judge Tjoflat slapping down Birch's opinion.
Posted by eLarson 2005-03-31 11:13:48 AM|| [http://larsonian.blogspot.com]  2005-03-31 11:13:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 eL... What this says to me is that Judge Tjoflat, under normal circumstances should be high on the list when W gets an opening...Unfortunately he is 75.
Posted by BigEd 2005-03-31 11:25:28 AM||   2005-03-31 11:25:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 May she rest in peace , something which wasnt gonna happen to her on this earth .
ALL PARTY'S INVOLVED IN THIS FIASCO SHOULD BE ASHAMED
Posted by MacNails 2005-03-31 11:33:21 AM||   2005-03-31 11:33:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 Agreed MacNails!
Posted by Tkat 2005-03-31 11:34:29 AM||   2005-03-31 11:34:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 I lived in a southern state on the coast for awhile . . . swamp judges--pheff! The "good ol' boy" network is alive and well in those parts, and Terri's case proves how much they miss slavery. "Why that little woman wouldnt want to live--besides her husband is her ruler. If we start backing women, what will happen to our power structure? Let her die boys! Stand by Michael Schiavo, or we'll be next."
Posted by ex-lib 2005-03-31 11:56:35 AM||   2005-03-31 11:56:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 "ALL PARTY'S INVOLVED IN THIS FIASCO SHOULD BE ASHAMED" Hopefully this can be the final word. An anticipated death should at the very least be afforded a bit of dignity and privacy. What an unmitigated disaster.
Posted by Weird Al 2005-03-31 12:31:20 PM||   2005-03-31 12:31:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 

Pinellas County Sherrif Coats calls "Judge" Greer to give him the news.

"We kep' her dry, your honor. Arrested more than 20!"
Posted by BigEd 2005-03-31 12:53:45 PM||   2005-03-31 12:53:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 ex-lib, I don't believe the "good-ole-boy" network had any influence on this tragic case and I can't see how this could possibly relate to reinstatement of slavery. Her husband was her "ruler" because of Florida law on guardianship. This particular law is not specific to the south. I am an 8th generation Southerner and I can tell you the attitude that men rule women is not prevalent and hasn't been for a long time. Obviously you had a bad experience where you lived and I won't deny the existance of the attitude you describe, but it is not prevalent. I am very much saddened by Mrs. Schivao's horrible death but neither I nor you truly know her wishes on being kept alive. Is Mr. Schiavo a scumbag? It appears so and his denying Terry's parents admission to her room during her last hour confirms it. To blame this situation on "the good-ole-boy" network and the judges' wishes to return to slavery is totally off the wall.
Posted by Deacon Blues  2005-03-31 1:10:31 PM||   2005-03-31 1:10:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 What Deacon said.
Posted by Shipman 2005-03-31 1:43:27 PM||   2005-03-31 1:43:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 What Deacon said too.

Ex-lib, you should be able to figure out by now how I felt about the case in question.

You might also stop and think about how many times I've read "god damn the Bushes for not doing anything." Or "I'm not voting for another Christian Conservative because they tried to save her" (even though it was unsuccessful). Apparently they have a low threshold as to what constitutes theocratic tyrrany: all you have to do is NOT starve someone to death. As a result they'll go back to voting for the sorts of people who drive tanks through churches and deport eight-year-old kids to Communist countries.

I think blaming this on "southerners," especially when this is another of those counties in Florida which doesn't really have that many southerners left, is wrong.

If you really want to know more about the legal background of the situation, look at this:

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/

that happened in Pinella county.

And that particular cult isn't a Southern tradition.
Posted by Anonymous Coward 2005-03-31 2:10:22 PM||   2005-03-31 2:10:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 To blame this situation on “the good-ole-boy” network and the judges’ wishes to return to slavery is totally off the wall.

I think people are just looking for a place to land. How could something like the state sanctioned and enforced torturous death of Terri Schiavo through starvation and thirst happen in the United States of America? It must be because of the state, the culture, the county . . . Or, at least we’d like those factors to be the explanation for this barbarism. Nobody really likes the answers suggested by Stanley Milgram’s studies on the Obedience to Authority.

Knowing ex-lib pretty well, I am absolutely certain that she isn’t really taking a swipe at the South (remember, the South will “rise again” -- ;) -- nobody would want to mess with them). Rather, I think the pith of her comments, and focus of her sentiments, is found here:
If _ what will happen to our power structure? Let her die boys!
The real tyrants in this whole situation are wearing black robes, sitting on their kesters and making pronouncements that impact everybody else. Hint: I’m always a bit cautious around people who want to put on costumes and airs, and have everybody treat them with honor and respect, on pain of contempt. These despots (and not just in the South) do want society subservient to them and their rulings -- i.e., to be their slaves, paying their salaries with our tax dollars, and just accepting anything they hand down as a ruling. These despots (and not just in the South) do have a “good-ole-boy” network -- and they do punish anybody who crosses or confronts them, and they do back each other up.

That said; I respect the judiciary. It is an indispensable branch of government, and deserves enforcement of its rulings. Nonetheless, every branch of government must be held back from the corruption of power through the effective checks and balances set up by the founders. It is time for the people of this country to employ the mechanisms afforded by the nation’s founders, pass laws that require humane treatment of the disabled and support life, liberty and happiness, and remove from public office those who would follow in the steps of the star chambers. Impeach the ba*t#&ds!
Posted by cingold 2005-03-31 2:35:44 PM||   2005-03-31 2:35:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 BigEd,

Thanks for the picture, it is worth a thousand words. Birch's opinion is just like how he looks . . . One great big, SELF-RIGHTEOUS, heaping, stinking pile of garbage.
Posted by cingold 2005-03-31 2:39:14 PM||   2005-03-31 2:39:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 The siblings just read statements. Very touching and classy. Much better than that ambulance-chaser for "husband" earlier...
Posted by BigEd 2005-03-31 4:38:44 PM||   2005-03-31 4:38:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 I cannot think of one adjective to describe all the evil parties involved in the selfish act.

He who laughs first will laugh LAST! What goes around will come around~~

Andrea Jackson
Posted by Andrea Jackson  2005-03-31 4:38:58 PM||   2005-03-31 4:38:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 THE END
Posted by MacNails 2005-03-31 5:44:45 PM||   2005-03-31 5:44:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Sorry guys, but I'm sticking to my take on the effects of culture, and how they affected the outcome of this case and the attitudes displayed by the judges.

(No, Deacon Blues, I'm not off the wall. My slavery comment has to do with male attitudes of superiority I have seen in the South, especially as they pertain to women. I believe those attitudes are a throwback to earlier times which allowed for a culturally/socially-sanctioned domination of an underclass--which used to be the slaves. Anonymous Coward, I have no idea who you are, so whatever. cingold, yeah, the black robes ARE who I'm talking about, in addition to the Sheriff's department, those on the board at the hospice, etc.)

An interesting piece on the "good ol' boy" network of corruption in Florida (from Rush Limbaugh) as it pertains to the Schiavo case. "Felos and the Death Industry Own Michael Schiavo -- Conflicts of interest" ...story

BTW: Not all southerners are part of the "good ol' boy" phenomenon, but the fact that there are those bitching at me over something EVERYBODY in the South already knows (i.e., the "good ol' boys"), is proof positive of what I'm talking about. Good grief.

Anyway, I'm not blaming the incident on culture, I was observing it's impact. So shut up. My people were from Georgia.
Posted by ex-lib 2005-03-31 6:30:16 PM||   2005-03-31 6:30:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 An interesting piece on the "good ol' boy" network of corruption in Florida (from Rush Limbaugh) as it pertains to the Schiavo case. "Felos and the Death Industry Own Michael Schiavo -- Conflicts of interest" ...story

ex-lib, I found the link broken, but these work:
The Rush Limbaugh Show where the story appeared to be linked as of March 31, 2005; and

Mainstream media unreported conflicts of interest in Schiavo tragedy, which is a direct link to the story that was linked on Rush’s site.

FWIW -- to me -- this seems like corruption, pure and simple. I don't know that it's worse in the South, even if it is more storied there. IMO these behind the scenes dealings and conflicts go on in every judicial district in the country, and (rarely, but) AT TIMES SOME PEOPLE (usually the less socially powerful or pleasing) DO LITERALLY DIE, AS A DIRECT CONSEQUENCE, FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THOSE OTHER PEOPLE (usually the more socially powerful and pleasing) FAVORED BY DECISION MAKERS, i.e., judges.

It is not without some forethought and experience with these matters that the founders of this nation enshrined in the Constitution the right to a jury trial -- in both civil and criminal cases. The synergistically combined intelligence of a group of average people puts even the IQ of Iris Mulej to shame.

Over the course of this Terri Schiavo case, I have often found myself wondering how things would have turned out if a jury had been requested to find facts in the case. Granted, a limited role in an equity/probate case, but (I think) still vitally important. It’s clear to me, anyway, that Judge Greer erred grievously in both finding the facts and in applying the law, perhaps because of the inherent conflicts of all the hats he was trying to wear simultaneously. Or, then, maybe he’s just an a##h0!3 who had his ego on the line, and a point to make at Terri’s expense -- he’s the judge!
Posted by cingold 2005-03-31 7:56:16 PM||   2005-03-31 7:56:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 Does the medical examiner have a conflict of interest as well??
Posted by CrazyFool 2005-03-31 11:15:46 PM||   2005-03-31 11:15:46 PM|| Front Page Top

22:41 CrazyFool
22:41 CrazyFool
23:51 Canuck
23:46 3dc
23:19 Frank G
23:15 CrazyFool
23:14 Zhang Fei
23:07 CrazyFool
23:03 Bobby
22:58 jackal
22:56 Bobby
22:55 anymouse
22:54 Bobby
22:48 Darth VAda
22:43 jackal
22:42 .com
22:37 RWV
22:36 Uleque Hupains4886
22:36 jackal
22:33 jackal
22:29 jackal
22:18 Zpaz
22:17 Asedwich
22:17 Darth VAda
Merry-Go-Blog










Paypal:
Google
Search WWW Search rantburg.com