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2005-02-05 Down Under

Bilateral aid better than U.N says Downer

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Posted by God Save The World 2005-02-05 00:00:00 AM|| E-Mail|| Front Page|| [1730 views since 2007-05-07] Top

1 Iwonder how all this OFF corruption and other UN shenanigans will affect those little coin envelope collections on international flights? I always empty out my pockets for UNICEF.

Posted by Jack is Back! 2005-02-05 6:32:25 AM|| 2005-02-05 6:32:25 AM|| Front Page Top

2 UNICEF is probably the most corrupt and incompetant of the UN agencies - An independent audit in 1994 by Booz, Allen, & Hamilton found bloated overhead costs, lack of financial control and a proclivity for luxury travel accommodations and overstaffing. Link

Posted by phil_b 2005-02-05 6:59:02 AM|| 2005-02-05 6:59:02 AM|| Front Page Top

3 On Halloween when I used to see the little kids with the UNICEF boxes, I wanted to ask them if they knew what kind of outfit they were shilling for, but I just said, No Thanks. Now I'm in Red America and the parents are a little more careful with whom they let their children associate.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-02-05 7:26:00 AM|| 2005-02-05 7:26:00 AM|| Front Page Top

4 The UN is actually less a disaster than the EU. The reason for this is a reflection of their charter, their constitution. The UNSC actually *does* help, in an indirect manner, to govern the activities of the UNSC members, the ones that really call the shots in the world (granted, a bit out of date: its membership should be the US, Russia, China, Europe, India, South America and Africa). But this only comes from the intentions of its members, not from the UN charter, which has little power over its members. The EU, however, has allowed the intentions, good or bad, of its members, to be subverted by a federal bureaucracy that has only *its* intentions, and *its* disgusting, bloated and monstrous constitution as *its* guide. This means that while the UN is a bloated, mostly inert joke filled with feckless and corrupt bureaucrats ignored by everyone, the EU is ruled by them.

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-02-05 9:23:45 AM|| 2005-02-05 9:23:45 AM|| Front Page Top

5 The EU, however, has allowed the intentions, good or bad, of its members, to be subverted by a federal bureaucracy that has only *its* intentions, and *its* disgusting, bloated and monstrous constitution as *its* guide.

1) Can you tell me a *single decision* which the so-called "bureaucracy" managed to pass without the consent of the majority of the member-states? Even one? Or indeed a single decision passed over the objection of even a sizeable *minority* of member-states?

2) For purposes of accuracy, until such time as the constitution actually becomes a reality, use the word "treaties" instead of "constitution".

granted, a bit out of date: its membership should be the US, Russia, China, Europe, India, South America and Africa)

South America? Africa? Europe?

How, pray tell, will these be "members", unless each of them has a common foreign policy and a single external representation? At this point you aren't objecting merely to the membership of the UNSC, you are objecting to the national division that exist in these continents.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2005-02-05 2:50:12 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/] 2005-02-05 2:50:12 PM|| Front Page Top

6 Oh great, Anonymoose, you've summoned the Attention Whore.

Posted by Tom 2005-02-05 2:53:06 PM|| 2005-02-05 2:53:06 PM|| Front Page Top

7
Speaking of attention whores, everyone look at this thread, #79. This was Tom's comments up until 9 p.m. yesterday. I didn't include the ones he added in the last three hours before midnight or all his "It's all about meeeeeeee" comments. You'll have to imagine that his entire commentry yesterday was considerably longer.
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2005-02-05 3:14:10 PM|| 2005-02-05 3:14:10 PM|| Front Page Top

8 I have NEVER made any "It's all about meeeeeeee" comments, Attention Whore #2.

Posted by Tom 2005-02-05 3:16:20 PM|| 2005-02-05 3:16:20 PM|| Front Page Top

9 Bwahahahaha - maybe I did? Gonna spend all day collecting my comments MS? Hee hee

Posted by Frank G 2005-02-05 3:17:20 PM|| 2005-02-05 3:17:20 PM|| Front Page Top

10 It's strting to look like someone fell of the wagon. Perhaps it's time to go back to AA or NARCONON.

Posted by trolling for allen 2005-02-05 3:19:43 PM|| [http://www.allenisamyth.cim] 2005-02-05 3:19:43 PM|| Front Page Top

11 Mikeeeeeeee Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiikkkkeeeee!

Posted by Bengy the Idiot 2005-02-05 4:40:49 PM|| 2005-02-05 4:40:49 PM|| Front Page Top

12 7. CE 3063, pp. 634-35, 638; cited in Mike Sylwester, "Jack Ruby, Smuggling
with and Spying on Communists" available here:
8. Ibid.
9. 14 H 503; Sylwester.
10. Sylwester.
11. Ibid.
12. Ibid.
13. 15 H 289; Sylwester.
14. 15 H 300; Sylwester.
15. 15 H 316; Sylwester.
16. Ibid.
17. Ibid.
18. Ibid.
19. Ibid.
20. 9 HSCA 524-86; Sylwester.
21. Ibid.
22. Ibid.
23. David Scheim, *Contract on America,* 221; Sylwester.
24. Maurice Halperin, *The Taming of Fidel Castro*; Sylwester.
25. Hall Exhibit No. 3; Sylwester.
26. Sylwester.
27. Seth Kantor, *Who Was Jack Ruby?*, pp. 132-4.
28. Ibid.
29. cf. Edward Jay Epstein's *Inquest.*
30. Weberman Web site.
31. Ibid.
32. 14 H 341.
33. Ibid.
34. 14 H 359.
35. 14 H 343.
36. Ibid.
37. Ibid.
38. Ibid.
39. 14 H 346-9.
40. Carol Hewett, "Methinks Thou Dost Protest Too Much!", available HERE

Posted by Agent Al Chappeau 2005-02-05 5:01:50 PM|| 2005-02-05 5:01:50 PM|| Front Page Top

13 Anyone caring to read point (1) in post #5, it's *not* a rhetorical question, and I would appreciate an answer if one actually exists.

As for the attention whoredome of Tom and others, I blame ~~society~~Fred. (Have a drink)

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2005-02-05 5:06:04 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/] 2005-02-05 5:06:04 PM|| Front Page Top

14 I blame you.

Fred's site without you would be great.

You without Fred's sight are nothing. Otherwise you wouldn't spend so much time here putting up with the abuse.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-02-05 5:26:43 PM|| 2005-02-05 5:26:43 PM|| Front Page Top

15 Otherwise you wouldn't spend so much time here putting up with the abuse.

besides that dark need for it that you don't talk about...not even with Mommy

Posted by Frank G 2005-02-05 6:14:06 PM|| 2005-02-05 6:14:06 PM|| Front Page Top

16 Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
A name
I call Aris!
Fa!
A long long way to run.....
So!
What Mikey doing Here?
La a Note to follow Mikeys So
Tee!
A lot lot lot like MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Posted by Capt Von Trap 2005-02-05 6:22:59 PM|| 2005-02-05 6:22:59 PM|| Front Page Top

17 You without Fred's sight are nothing. Otherwise you wouldn't spend so much time here putting up with the abuse.

I wonder what you think your silly attempts at psychoanalyzing earn you. "Putting up the abuse" might be a more torturous task if it had more of a sting in it to hurt *me*.

But the worse it's been it's when the attitudes here made me depressive (and thus angry) about the chances of our civilisation to survive -- even personal attacks have more *annoyed* me because of the pettiness of the people who can't see the bigger issues because of the smallness of their minds and the kindergarten-attitude of their ego-games.

And such chances of civilizational survival won't magically increase if I close my ears and hum real loudly against the babble of the people who would doom us all with their idiocy.

Me without Fred's site am nothing? Am afraid that once again it's not a ego game, Mrs Davis -- or I wouldn't have asked Fred to make a decision on whether to tell me to take a hike or not.

Even letting aside the personal pursuits and fannish communities, there are many political forums around, Mrs Davis. I've commented in many places before Fred's site and I'll comment again after it. But once again it's not an ego thing for me, Mrs Davis -- it's a team play in a game of civilizations.

Me without participation in political forums would actually have a bit more time to do things I really enjoy doing -- reading books, writing stories, reviewing movies. And if I cared more about cheers rather than an attempt at actual effect in political discourse, I'd have stuck with such fannish communities as appreciated my presence -- like interactive fiction or HP fanfic or Tolkien newsgroups or whatever.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2005-02-05 6:23:29 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/] 2005-02-05 6:23:29 PM|| Front Page Top

18 Me without participation
Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Posted by Capt Von Trap 2005-02-05 6:24:44 PM|| 2005-02-05 6:24:44 PM|| Front Page Top

19 like interactive fiction or HP fanfic or Tolkien newsgroups or whatever.

Damn, I'm sorry didn't think about that.

Posted by abu Me 2005-02-05 6:25:51 PM|| 2005-02-05 6:25:51 PM|| Front Page Top

20 Now see? That's what I'm talking about? I see the level of intelligence in Frank G's and "Von Trap"'s posts, people who assume that anything that challenges them must be an ego-driven troll, and thus know that America is most probably doomed. It's red-state Republican core is too arrogant and stupid and closed-minded to change.

Depressing.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2005-02-05 6:27:16 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/] 2005-02-05 6:27:16 PM|| Front Page Top

21 And btw, people have still not answered the question I asked in #5.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2005-02-05 6:30:12 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/] 2005-02-05 6:30:12 PM|| Front Page Top

22 love U 2 - May beckons

Posted by Frank G 2005-02-05 6:35:23 PM|| 2005-02-05 6:35:23 PM|| Front Page Top

23 "...thus know that America is most probably doomed"

We will bury you.

Posted by Nikita Kruschev 2005-02-05 6:36:15 PM|| [http://www.wewillburyyou.com] 2005-02-05 6:36:15 PM|| Front Page Top

24 Daaamn. This is a six drink thread. Way to go...

Posted by badanov 2005-02-05 6:39:01 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif] 2005-02-05 6:39:01 PM|| Front Page Top

25 Frank, it was I who told you about May. So, it's really kinda pathetic that you keep on repeating, seemingly against me, information I've myself offered freely. This time you didn't even went into the bother of googling, I *told* y'all about May.

So really, what kind of dependent person are you?

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2005-02-05 6:40:21 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/] 2005-02-05 6:40:21 PM|| Front Page Top

26 I didn't know about the fan fiction, really I didn't. Can you forgive MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Posted by abu Me 2005-02-05 6:43:45 PM|| 2005-02-05 6:43:45 PM|| Front Page Top

27 Fan fiction is important to MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! I write MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE own.

Posted by Capt Von Trapp 2005-02-05 6:47:39 PM|| 2005-02-05 6:47:39 PM|| Front Page Top

28 When Aris first arrived at RB he drove me nuts. Then for a long time he bored me and I ignored any thread he was in. But recently I have developed a morbid fascination in his posts. It's like watching a house fire. You know its going to end badly and you have much more important things to do, but you can't tear yourself away.

Posted by phil_b 2005-02-05 6:49:08 PM|| 2005-02-05 6:49:08 PM|| Front Page Top

29 strangers in the night
me me me me me me me me
bobo bo bob bob bobobbobob beeee!
of nitwits in the night.

Posted by abu FrankS 2005-02-05 6:51:54 PM|| 2005-02-05 6:51:54 PM|| Front Page Top

30 Now see more examples of RRR (retarded reactionary right) idiocy? People who think that fanfiction is shameful or childish, but find nothing wrong with their anonymous cowardly trollish kindergarten attempts at bullying.

And you Mrs. Davis, still thinks the problem is my contribution, not theirs. Typical RRR reasoning -- the outsider's to blame, the one who holds the different opinion or the one who asks the questions that are difficult to answer.

Such attitudes will doom us all and you don't see it. Carry on.

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2005-02-05 6:52:51 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/] 2005-02-05 6:52:51 PM|| Front Page Top

31 More fan fiction! More Fan Fiction! It good for MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Have you considered a part in the new Star Trek? There's a small speaking part for an neo-Agean, meantion MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Posted by abu FrankS 2005-02-05 7:07:42 PM|| 2005-02-05 7:07:42 PM|| Front Page Top

32 1) Can you tell me a *single decision* which the so-called "bureaucracy" managed to pass without the consent of the majority of the member-states? Even one? Or indeed a single decision passed over the objection of even a sizeable *minority* of member-states?

-To be honest, none that I know of (or could google) that have actually passed into law.

Here's one that worries some eu civil lib groups & a lot of corporations, but it's just a proposal, not a law yet. *If* it becomes a law, seems bad for civil liberties, just imo.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1334371.stm

Here's another about computer patents that seems to have passed into law and some member states were not crazy about. I'm not familiar w/the issue so can't add anymore then what's in the article. Looks like it's gonna get overturned or was. Maybe someone more familiar w/it can get me up to speed.

http://europa.eu.int/idabc/en/document/2417/469

Posted by Jeamp Ebbereting9472 aka Jarhead 2005-02-05 7:39:28 PM|| 2005-02-05 7:39:28 PM|| Front Page Top

33 Oh crap, I leave for four hours and look what happens: the Attention Whore goes on a rampage. At least he waited until AW #2 passed out.

Posted by Tom 2005-02-05 8:01:28 PM|| 2005-02-05 8:01:28 PM|| Front Page Top

34
Speaking of attention whores, everyone look at this thread, #79. It's an average day of Tom's commentary.
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Posted by Mike Sylwester 2005-02-05 8:07:00 PM|| 2005-02-05 8:07:00 PM|| Front Page Top

35 Jeez, Mikey, you didn't pass out. That supports my theory that you're not drunk, you're just bipolar.

Posted by Tom 2005-02-05 8:12:47 PM|| 2005-02-05 8:12:47 PM|| Front Page Top

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