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Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Janati sez Pope’s comments ‘act of madness’
2006-09-30
A senior Iranian cleric said on Friday that Pope Benedict’s recent remarks that angered Muslims were an “act of madness” and said the leader of the Catholic Church had “disgraced himself”.

Muslim leaders worldwide have criticised the Pope for a speech two weeks ago hinting that Islam had been spread by the sword and brought only evil to the world. The Pope has expressed regret at the uproar four times but has not withdrawn his words. “It was an act of madness what the Pope did and he disgraced himself and the system he represents,” said Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati, who heads the constitutional watchdog the Guardian Council. “His comments showed either that he did not have information on Islam, or the he had information and did injustice to Islam, or that he had fallen into a trap,” Jannati told a Friday prayers gathering, broadcast on state radio.

He also said the Pope was following “the same path” as those who published cartoons of Prophet Muhammad (PTUI PBUH) in the Danish press. Those cartoons outraged Muslims around the world. “These moves aimed at confronting Islam and the (Islamic) revolution (in Iran) are all doomed to defeat,” Jannati said. In his speech, Pope Benedict quoted criticism of Islam and the Prophet Muhammad (PTUI PBUH) by 14th century Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus, who wrote that everything Mohammad brought was evil and inhuman.
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Home Front: WoT
Jihadists don't care about logic
2006-09-26
To counter any suggestion that Islam is a violent religion, Muslims attacked churches in the West Bank, Gaza and Basra this week. In Somalia a religious leader named Abubukar Hassan Malin echoed a British religious leader named Anjem Choudary who seemed to be in agreement with a religious leader from India called Syed Ahmed Bukhari that Pope Benedict XVI had to be forced to apologize.

Forced? Bukhari left it open how, but Choudary felt that subjecting the Pontiff to "capital punishment" may be persuasive, while Malin was inclined to think that the situation called for hunting down the Holy Father and killing him "on the spot." And, perhaps to indicate that these were no idle threats, as the week wore on, an Italian nun was murdered in Somalia, along with two Assyrian Christians in Iraq.

What did the Pope do? As most readers know, he quoted a remark made by the Byzantine emperor Manuel II Palaeologus: "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Was the anointed of Byzantium on to something? The Pope certainly didn't say so. He just quoted the beleaguered emperor, who -- being squeezed between hostile Turks and demanding Venetians at the time -- had vented about the Prophet and his bellicose followers in conversation with a Persian scholar. Little did he suspect that his words would hit the fan nearly 600 years later.

"The infidelity and tyranny of the Pope will only be stopped by a major attack," announced al-Qaeda from its cave on the Afghan-Pakistani border. Al-Qaeda's political arm in New York, a.k.a. the United Nations, took no position, only using the opportunity to condemn Israel for one thing or another.

Why do some Muslims have such an uncanny talent for proving the case of their critics? When accused of violence, they threaten violence. Better still, they engage in it. "Call us unruly and we riot," they say, in essence. "Call us murderers, and we kill you." Don't they see that this makes them a joke?

Well, no, they don't -- and they're right. Saying such things may make someone a joke in a debating society, but Islamofascists fight in a different arena. They don't care about winning the debate; what they want to win is their Kampf, better known these days as Jihad.

Lo and behold, they're winning it. By now the whole world tiptoes around the sensibilities of medieval fanatics. We take pains not to offend ululating fossils who cheer suicide bombers. Or raise them. We prop up rickety regimes whose sole contribution to modern times is to nurture ancient grievances and revive barbaric customs. We worry about the feelings -- feelings! -- of people who stone their loved ones for sexual missteps. We pussyfoot to protect the delicate psyche of oily ogres who amputate the hands of petty thieves, issue fatwas on novelists and cover up their hapless wives and sisters to the eyeballs.

We do this, obviously, not because we're impressed by the logic of the Islamofascist line -- "call us murderers and we'll kill you" -- but because we're intimidated by it. The Jihadists don't care about the quality of their argument. One doesn't have to, if one's aim isn't to persuade, but to coerce. The mullahs of militant Islam aren't worried about proving their critics' case. So some pundits think we're proving Benedict XVI or Manuel II right, imams Choudary and Malin might say. Big deal. Logic may be essential for pundits. It isn't essential for our followers who are willing to blow themselves up to get their way.

Come again, slowly -- blow themselves up to get their way? Yes, sir. How's that for logic?

The sheiks and mullahs of conquering Islam don't give a hoot about the hearts and minds of the West (the place that used to be called Christendom). They figure, not without justification, that if they get us by the balls, our hearts and minds will follow. This phrase, by the way, usually attributed to John Wayne, is a rare example of successful cross-pollination between the West and the East. It comes from cowboy country, but even Taliban-types understand it.

We're fortunate, though. To grab us by the balls, the Islamofascists would first have to find them. Good luck.

Last question: Did the Pope apologize for upsetting the mobs so the poor things had to vandalize and murder? Well, that depends on what sono rammaricato means in English. The Vatican seems to think it means "I am deeply sorry," but some commentators swear it only means "I am disappointed." Personally, I'd be disappointed if it meant "I am deeply sorry" -- but that's only me.
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Olde Tyme Religion
Pope Comment Latest: Catholic Anger Over Muslim Anger Grows
2006-09-20
Angergeddon Special

Anger over the anger caused by Pope Benedict XVI's quotation from Byzantine emperor Manuel II Palaeologus in a recent speech, could lead to a cycle of increasing anger that may only be stopped by the administration of drugs, according to a report we have seen.

Fears are growing that Muslims, already angry over the Pope's comments, could be angered even further when they find out that Catholics had become angered by their anger.

In an attempt to combat the cycle of increasing anger throughout the world, emergency services are preparing for a massive airlift of high blood pressure tablets to various hot spots around the globe. Teams of experts in 'calming' neck massages are also being told they should be ready to be flown out to anger hot spots at short notice.

But high blood pressure tablets and neck rubs may not be enough, according to a spokesman for High Blood Pressure Paramedics: "It's a vicious cycle and it's difficult to see how it can be resolved without a few deep breaths and maybe a nice cup of tea together."

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theVoiceofReason.com has carefully gathered together the headlines from a number of blogs from around the world:

Didn't God Give Us Different Languages So We Could Talk About Other People Without Them Understanding What We Say? How Many Muslims Speak Italian Anyway? (Catholic Translation Today)

100 Other Things The Pope Should Never Have Said (Muslim World)

Why The Pope Was Wrong (Protestant Now)

Now That The Pope Has Said What He Said, Should We Expect Another Spanish Inquisition? (Monty Python Today)

What If The Pope Had Never Said What He Said? (What If Magazine)

Oi, Pope, NO! (Tabloid Today)

Who Is This God Person Anyway? (Existentialism Now, Incorporating Douglas Adams Daily)
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Olde Tyme Religion
Vatican experts say Pope 'unrepentant'
2006-09-19
By Peter Popham in Rome

As protests against the Pope continued to rumble around the Muslim world yesterday, Catholics began asking themselves if this highly intelligent man can really have been so crass as to have ignited the passions of millions of Muslims without realising that he was doing it.

If the alternative version is more credible - that he knew exactly what he was doing - then the next question arises: why? The gloomy conclusion of some Vatican experts is that there was no inconsistency in the Pope's choice of the words "inhuman and evil" - quoted from the Byzantine emperor Manuel II Palaeologus - to characterise Islam. Such a negative view, they say, is consistent with all his words and actions with regard to Islam.

Their claims make for a tragic contrast with the decades devoted by John Paul II to the challenge of bringing Islam, Judaism and Christianity closer together after many centuries of hatred and bloodshed. Now all that hard work, rowing against the tide of history, seems to be at risk.

Marco Politi, Vatican expert at La Repubblica newspaper, wrote: "The debacle into which the Holy See has fallen after [the Pope's speech at the University of ] Regensburg ... is much more than an accident of communication. The unhappy anti-Mohamed quotation, followed by the violent reaction of the Islamic world and the bitter indignation of moderate European Muslims, has brought violently to the light the rupture completed by the Pope with the strategy conducted for more than two decades with success by John Paul II."

Politi said John Paul II went out of his way to find points in common between the three revealed religions: "From Casablanca to Cairo, from Sudan to Syria, in every corner of the world in which there was a significant population of Muslims, John Paul II preached the common faith in the one God of the sons of Abraham, their common prayer and the common duty of Jews, Christians and Muslims in favour of peace and justice," he wrote. "It wasn't merely rhetoric.
IE the fairy fable of the "Abrahamic religions"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Massignon
Massignon was an homosexual, fascinated by the virility of islam, by the way, IIUC...

It was the wish to put together, in the name of spiritual brotherhood, a shared platform from which to repudiate religious violence, religiously motivated terrorism and any other manipulation of the name of God to justify sanguinary projects."

But his successor indicated from the start that he would not continue down the same road, Politi said. "At his inaugural mass as Pope, Benedict XVI cut out any reference to a fraternal relationship" with Islam. The Pope is also, according to Politi, "tormented with worry born from the messages of violence woven into the Koran, and doubtful of the ability of Islamic religious leaders to get to grips with the problems of secularism." But if the Regensburg address was his way of airing those doubts, it has had the effect of multiplying them. "Now," Mr Politi concludes, "the Vatican must try to rebuild its strategy towards Islam from scratch."

Writing in La Stampa, the political scientist Gian Enrico Rusconi said the Pope's apology on Sunday "was an act such as has not been recorded in the modern history of the papacy. It was an unheard-of gesture. But at the same time the discourse at Regensburg and its consequences indicate an irreversible break, not only in relations between Islam and the Catholic Church, but also in the public image of the Pope in the West."
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Olde Tyme Religion
Why the Pope was right
2006-09-18
William Rees-Mogg

JOURNALISTS SHOULD NOT criticise Pope Benedict XVI for his lecture at Regensburg. He has done only what every sub-editor on the Daily Mail does every day. Confronted with a long and closely written text, he inserted a lively quote to draw attention to the argument. We all do it. Sometimes the quote causes trouble, but more often it opens up an argument that is needed.

The question is not whether the quotation from the Byzantine emperor Manuel II Palaeologus is offensive: it is.
No it isn't. Palaeologus asks whether one can be compelled to come to God by violence and concludes that it is against God's will. Palaeologus notes that the early Qur'an prohibits compulsion but that later verses accept it. As the Pope notes, Palaeologus said, "Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death...". In the Christian world, to compel faith through violence is against God's nature. In Islam God is absolute; he need not even be reasonable, and it's certainly acceptable to force people to accept him. That's the essential difference, and Benedict -- and Palaeologus -- are correct in noting it.
The question is whether the emperor is justified in what he said. His main thrust was at least partly justified. There is a real problem about the teaching of the Koran on violence against the infidel. That existed in the 14th century, and was demonstrated on 9/11, 2001. There is every reason to discuss it. I am more afraid of silence than offence.

The Pope’s actual quotation is not just a medieval point of view. It is a common modern view; even if it seldom reaches print; it can certainly be found on the internet. “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and then you shall find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”

Is it true that the Koran contains such a command, and has it influenced modern terrorists? The answers, unfortunately, are “yes” and “yes”.

The so-called Sword Verse from Chapter 9 must have been in the emperor’s mind: “So when the sacred months have passed away, Then slay the idolaters wherever you find them.

“And take them captive and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in every ambush.”

This does shock many Muslims: extremists are angered by the implied criticism of those who quote it, while moderates who cannot disavow the terms of the Koran prefer more evasive interpretations. The shock it creates shows the importance of the doctrine.
“ One man who does not question the meaning of the verse is Osama bin Laden ...the use of this verse (is) a central argument for jihad in Bin Laden’s manifesto ”

One man who does not question the meaning of the verse is Osama bin Laden. His attitude is discussed at some length in Chapter 14 of an excellent new book, The Qur’an, a Biography, by Bruce Lawrence, who is the Professor of Islamic Studies at Duke University, North Carolina. Lawrence observes the use of this verse as a central argument for jihad in Bin Laden’s manifesto in 1996; that was a declaration of war against native and foreign infidels.
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Europe
Merkel defends Pope amid Muslim fury
2006-09-16
GERMAN Chancellor Angela Merkel defended the Pope today against allegations that he had attacked Islam as worldwide Muslim fury continued over a speech he made earlier this week. Ms Merkel told the mass-circulation Bild newspaper in an interview that the German-born Pontiff had been calling for dialogue with other religions.

In a speech on Tuesday during a visit to Germany, the Pope appeared to endorse a Christian view, contested by most Muslims, that the early Muslims spread their religion by violence. But Merkel said his comments had been misinterpreted. “Whoever criticises the Pope misunderstood the aim of his speech,” Ms Merkel was quoted as saying. “It was an invitation to dialogue between religions and the Pope expressedly spoke in favour of this dialogue ... What Benedict XVI emphasised was a decisive and uncompromising renunciation of all forms of violence in the name of religion.”

Muslims around the world have deplored the Catholic leader's remarks and many say he should apologise in person to dispel the impression that he had joined a campaign against their religion. Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi yesterday defended the Pope's comments and said he did not mean to offend Muslims.

“He should apologise to Muslims,” the President of the German Council of Muslims, Ayyub Axel Koehler, told the Neue Presse newspaper today. “That would be a contribution towards unwinding the tension and creating clarity.”

Muslim figures elsewhere also continued to assail the Pope's comments, with one Turkish politician quoted as comparing him to the World War II dictators of Germany and Italy, Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini. “How can (the Pope) imply that Muslims are the creators of terrorism in the world while it is the followers of Christianity who have aggressed against every country of the Islamic world?” prominent Saudi cleric Salman al-Odeh said. “Who attacked Afghanistan and who invaded Iraq? ... The Pope's statements are an attempt to put a religious cover on injustice and political aggression practised by the American administration against Muslims.”

Turkey's nationalist paper Vatan quoted Salih Kapusuz, head of the ruling Justice and Development Party's parliamentary group as saying Benedict's comments stemmed from “a deplorable ignorance that show he does not know the facts about Islam”. “The mentality of the Crusades has returned. (Benedict) will go down in history in the same category as leaders such as Hitler and Mussolini.”

Criticism of the Pope was not confined to Muslims. The New York Times said in an editorial today that he must issue a “deep and persuasive” apology for quotes used in his speech. “The world listens carefully to the words of any pope. And it is tragic and dangerous when one sows pain, either deliberately or carelessly,” the Times said. “He needs to offer a deep and persuasive apology, demonstrating that words can also heal.”

The Pope on Tuesday repeated criticism of the Prophet Mohammad by the 14th century Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus, who said everything Mohammad brought was evil “such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached”. The Pope, who used the terms “jihad” and “holy war” in his lecture, added “violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul”.
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