Warning: Undefined array key "rbname" in /data/rantburg.com/www/pgrecentorg.php on line 14
Hello !

Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Israel fighting off millions of cyber attacks

2012-11-19

[JTA] Israel has repelled some 44 million cyber attacks on government websites since the start of Operation Pillar of Defense, a government minister said. Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz told news hounds Sunday that all the attacks have been thwarted except one, which brought down a website for a short time. On Saturday, the online terror group Anonymous announced that it had brought down 700 Israeli private and public websites, including the websites of several Israeli government offices, such as the Foreign Ministry and the Kadima Party. It did bring down the Foreign Ministry's Mashav department website, which coordinates Israeli aid missions to foreign countries, and the Kadima website remained down as of Sunday night. The group also said it erased the database of the Bank of Jerusalem, though the bank's website is operational. It also released the personal information, including national ID number and e-mail, of at least 35,000 Israelis. "For far too long, Anonymous has stood by with the rest of the world and watched in despair the barbaric, brutal and despicable treatment of the Paleostinian people in the so called 'Occupied Territories' by the Israel Defense Force. But when the government of Israel publicly threatened to sever all Internet and other telecommunications into and out of Gazoo they crossed a line in the sand," Anonymous said in a statement. "We are ANONYMOUS and NO ONE shuts down the Internet on our watch. To the IDF and government of Israel we issue you this warning only once. Do NOT shut down the Internet into the 'Occupied Territories,' and cease and desist from your terror upon the innocent people of Paleostine or you will know the full and unbridled wrath of Anonymous." One year ago, Anonymous launched a cyber attack on several Israeli government and military websites, including government ministries, the Mossad and the IDF, after Israel intercepted Gazoo-bound ships attempting to break the naval blockade.

Link

Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Haaretz Defends Treason and Espionage

2010-04-14

The partial lifting of the gag order on the Anat Kam espionage affair, which had already been exposed to the world media in March by Judith Miller, is stirring up a storm in Israel. The charge sheet accuses Kam of “divulging secret information with the intent to harm the security of the state,' which falls under “serious espionage' and carries a maximum life term. Haaretz, Israel's left-wing daily, is at the center of the storm — and tying itself in knots to defend Kam, its journalist Uri Blau, and itself. When sources in the defense establishment saw the stories, they worried about where they could have come from. The Israel Security Agency, better known as Shin Bet, eventually worked out a deal with Blau where he returned his documents and was promised they wouldn't be used to incriminate him or his sources. A few months later, in December 2009, the Shin Bet identified Kam as the source of the documents — but the problem was that she admitted to giving Blau far more documents than he had turned over. Kam was put under house arrest; Blau fled the country and is now in London. The Shin Bet negotiated with Blau's lawyers in an attempt to retrieve the documents. It was when they concluded this was futile that the gag order was lifted. As things now stand, Kam has been indicted and the trial is supposed to begin in May; the head of the Shin Bet, Yuval Diskin, has warned that Blau is endangering himself and the country by holding onto his documents in a foreign location, but Blau still has not agreed to return to Israel and give them up. Haaretz is rattled, and a sense of shock is said to hang over its editorial offices. It's not only that Kam acted out of what the charge sheet called “ideological motivations' arising from the extreme left — an outlook given much voice in Haaretz. It's also that Haaretz's own journalist, Blau, is involved — and people are good and mad. Yisrael Hasson, a former deputy head of the Shin Bet and a Knesset member from the center-left Kadima Party, called on people to cancel Haaretz subscriptions until Blau is fired and returns all the documents. And yet, amid the storm, Haaretz is sticking to its guns and to its reporter. On Sunday it published a piece called “Haaretz Answers Four Key Questions on the Anat Kam Case' that shows how low Israel's security actually ranks in its priorities. “Haaretz,' the article states, “believes that it cannot pass on all the documents Blau has to the defense establishment because its senior officials may use them to trace his sources.' The article also accuses the Shin Bet of “reneging' on its agreement with Blau — even though it was Blau who hoodwinked the Shin Bet by handing over only a fraction of his contraband. Yet Haaretz admits that it “decided to instruct Blau to remain abroad' despite the danger entailed. (It's even speculated that Diskin, out of desperation, sought to scare Blau into returning.) Also on Sunday Haaretz ran an op-ed by its columnist Yossi Sarid, a former leftist politician, arguing that what Kam did was fine because the institutions and country whose laws she violated aren't worth much anyway. “Let every Israeli mother decide,' Sarid intoned, "if she has entrusted her sons to an army and government worthy of her trust." By Monday Kam had waived her journalistic immunity, and her lawyer was trying to convince Blau to return to Israel and hand over the documents on the understanding that he wouldn't be charged. But even if such a deal is reached, Haaretz, for the bulk of the Israeli public, won't smell like roses in this affair. Indeed, the Israeli left as a whole has fallen on hard times lately. In the 2009 elections the two parties that most embody it, Labor and Meretz, won a total of 16 seats out of 120. Last February it was revealed that the New Israel Fund, a major and wide-ranging left-wing NGO, had supplied most of the false information enabling the Goldstone Report — recognized as an anti-Israeli calumny across the Israeli spectrum, that is, except for the far left.

Link

Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Tzipi praises Hamas commander killing

2010-02-24

JERUSALEM -- Israel's parliamentary opposition leader on Tuesday praised the assassination of a Hamas commander in Dubai last month, in the first such comment from a top official. Tzipi Livni of the centrist Kadima Party said the death of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh was good, but she did not indicate who was behind the killing. "The fact that a terrorist was killed, and it doesn't matter if it was in Dubai or Gaza, is good news to those fighting terrorism," she said at a conference of the Jewish Agency board of governors in Jerusalem. Doesn't much matter who did it, either ... Israel has refused to comment on assumptions that a Mossad team carried out the assassination. Dubai police have released pictures and passports with names of Israelis, saying the forged passports were used by the hit squad. The Israelis have said they were victims of identity theft. Britain, Ireland and Germany have called Israeli ambassadors in for explanations about the forged passports, but Israel has not accepted responsibility. Israel has come under withering criticism from the usual some quarters in Europe and elsewhere in the wake of the killing of al-Mabhouh, who was found dead in his Dubai hotel room on Jan. 20. Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman was grilled about Israel's alleged role in the killing when he met European foreign ministers in Brussels on Monday. In a statement, the Israeli Foreign Ministry said that as long as there is no evidence beyond media reports linking Israel to the killing, the minister felt "there is no need to relate to the matter." In the only Israeli government comment to date, Lieberman said last week, "Israel never responds, never confirms and never denies." He added, "I don't know why we are assuming that Israel, or the Mossad, used those passports." Livni, a former foreign minister, served in the Mossad in the 1980s. In her address Tuesday, she rejected criticism of the assassination of al-Mabhouh, who Israel says was behind the kidnapping and killing of two soldiers in 1989 and more recently was in charge of obtaining rockets for Hamas militants in Gaza. "The entire world must support those fighting terrorism," Livni said. "Any comparison between terrorism and those fighting it is immoral."

Link

Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Avigdor endorses Bibi

2009-02-20

Far-right politician Avigdor Lieberman endorsed Benjamin Netanyahu for Israeli prime minister on Thursday, all but guaranteeing that Netanyahu will be the country's next leader. The divisive Lieberman emerged as the kingmaker of Israeli politics after the Feb. 10 election produced a deadlock between its two largest parties, and his backing of Netanyahu could be the basis for a hardline government. Such a government could freeze peace talks with the Palestinians, hurt Israel's standing in the world and place it on a possible collision course with President Barack Obama, who has said Mideast peacemaking will be a top priority of his administration. Lieberman's Yisrael Beitenu Party finished third in the election, essentially allowing him to determine whether Netanyahu or his chief rival, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, would be able to form a parliamentary majority. Lieberman announced his decision in a meeting with President Shimon Peres, who is holding consultations with political parties this week before choosing a candidate to form a government. If Peres names Netanyahu, then Netanyahu will have six weeks to work out a deal with other parties to create a coalition. Lieberman told Peres that Netanyahu's Likud Party should head the new government, but that he supports a broad coalition that includes Livni's centrist Kadima Party as well. "We need a wide government with the three big parties, Likud, Kadima and Yisrael Beiteinu," Lieberman said. "Netanyahu will lead the government but it will be a government of Netanyahu and Livni together." Lieberman has raised eyebrows around the world with his calls to make Israel's Arab minority swear loyalty to the state or lose their citizenship. After Lieberman's announcement, Kadima officials said they were likely headed toward the opposition. Kadima leads the lame-duck government, and Livni had campaigned on pledges to continue peace efforts with the Palestinians. "If Kadima will join a government like this, based on these guidelines, Kadima will be wiped off the political map," Kadima Cabinet Minister Meir Sheetrit told Israel Radio. "Kadima can be the only alternative to the Likud reign in the future." Another Kadima Cabinet minister Zeev Boim, said Kadima would not serve as a "fig leaf" for a hardline government. Netanyahu, a critic of the current peace talks with the Palestinians, has said he would turn to his "natural" allies among the religious and nationalist parties in parliament. But he has said he also hopes to bring in more centrist parties to create a wide coalition with broad national consensus. Kadima edged out Likud in the election, capturing 28 seats compared to 27 for Likud. But in the 120-seat parliament, Likud is in a better position to put together a coalition because of gains by Lieberman and other hard-line parties. It could be several weeks before a coalition is finally formed. Peres began his political consultations with Likud and Kadima representatives on Wednesday. He was meeting representatives of the 10 other elected parties on Thursday to hear their choice for prime minister. If neither Netanyahu nor Livni were to garner the support of a majority, Peres was expected to encourage the two to share the premiership. However, after Lieberman's endorsement of Netanyahu, a "rotation" at prime minister appears unlikely, and Netanyahu is poised to return to Israel's top post a decade after he was ousted from it.

Link

Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Livni: Give up parts of 'Land of Israel'

2009-02-16

Tzipi Livni, who hopes to be appointed Israel's prime minister-designate, said Monday Israel must give up considerable territory in exchange for peace with the Palestinians, drawing a clear distinction with her rival, Benjamin Netanyahu. She told a convention of American Jewish leaders, "we need to give up parts of the Land of Israel," using a term that refers to biblical borders that include today's Israel, the West Bank and Gaza, repeating her well-known view that pulling out of Palestinian areas would be for the good of Israel, to maintain it as a Jewish state. Livni told the Conference of Presidents of Major American Organizations that Israel must take the initiative and come forward with its own peace plan to head off international programs. "Any plan put on the table will not be in our interest," she said. Livni's centrist Kadima Party won one more seat than the hawkish Likud, led by Netanyahu. He opposes large-scale territorial concessions in peace talks with the Palestinians. He believes negotiations should concentrate instead on building up the Palestinian economy. They're both wrong. One starts by changing the Palestinian souls. Until they renounce violence and commit to peaceful co-existence there is nothing else to talk about. Netanyahu and Livni, the current foreign minister, both claimed victory in last week's election. Each hopes to be picked by President Shimon Peres to form the next government. Netanyahu appears to have the edge, because a majority of members in the new parliament favor his views. In his address before the gathering, Netanyahu ruled out unilateral pullbacks from territory, criticizing Israel's withdrawal from Gaza in 2005, charging that it allowed the Islamic militant Hamas to take over there. Correct. Lots of blame to go around, a lot to Iran and Hamas, but it must be clear that a similar withdrawal from all or part of the West Bank would lead to the same result. Hamas is the only Paleo faction that is organized. The PLO is a toothless, mangy beast that is so corrupt that it will never again have any popular support. He said he, too, does not want to govern Palestinians, but Israel must maintain control of all borders, airspace and electronic traffic, indicating that his offer to the Palestinians would be considerably less than a sovereign state. "Regardless how the solution is achieved, the Palestinians should run their lives," he said. "They should govern themselves, but they shouldn't have certain powers that would threaten the state of Israel." Official results of Israel's election are scheduled to be published Wednesday, and then Peres will begin formal consultations with the 12 parties in the new parliament. He is expected to choose a premier-designate within a few days, starting a period of up to six weeks for coalition negotiations. In an interview broadcast Monday evening on Channel 2 TV, Livni invited Netanyahu to serve in a government she would lead. "I am appealing here to Benjamin Netanyahu to join forces with me in a unity government with a policy that represents the center of the political map," she said. Netanyahu, who assumes he will be the next prime minister, has made a similar call to Livni, who rejected it.

Link

Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Livni scrambles to keep party united after Mofaz bolts

2008-09-21

Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni sought on Friday to restore unity within her governing Kadima Party as new divisions emerged in the wake of her narrow victory in this week's primary. Livni met top party members in a bid to stress the need to close ranks as the centrist party seeks to form a new coalition government. After the meeting, Livni told journalists that she wanted to form a government "as soon as possible, as long as everybody acts responsibly." Livni won Wednesday's vote to replace scandal-plagued Premier Ehud Olmert as party leader, but she may struggle to find enough coalition partners to command a parliamentary majority and avert early elections. She faced her first challenge hours after winning the vote with a lead of just one percentage point over her main rival, Transport Minister Shaul Mofaz. Evidently disgruntled, Mofaz, a hawkish former military chief of staff, said Thursday he would take a break from politics in a move Israeli media called a "bombshell." Senior Kadima figures described Mofaz's decision as "crushing the party," the Maariv daily said, amid media speculation he could return to the right-wing opposition Likud Party that he, Livni and Olmert left in 2005. Livni, a 50-year-old former Mossad spy who has been leading the US-backed peace negotiations with the Palestinians, will have 42 days to form a new coalition if early parliamentary elections are to be avoided. At the Kadima meeting, marked by the absence of Mofaz, Livni said she hoped to maintain the current alliance with the center-left Labor Party and the religious party Shas. "There is no reason to change the set-up of the coalition," she said. Labor members have reportedly sent out mixed messages, with some demanding a renegotiation of coalition agreements and party leader Ehud Barak, the defense minister, calling for snap elections.

Link

Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Exit polls: Livni elected Kadima leader

2008-09-18

Israeli Foreign minister Tzipi Livni has been elected as the leader of the ruling Kadima Party to replace Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, exit polls suggest.

Link

Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Israel's first female premier since Golda Meir

2008-09-17

JERUSALEM (AP) - TV exit polls say Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni has won a clear victory in the party primary election to replace Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. The polls were released a few minutes before the end of voting Wednesday night. For an outright victory, Livni needed 40 percent of the vote. The three TV exit polls gave her between 47 percent and 49 percent. Her nearest rival, former defense minister and military chief Shaul Mofaz, received 37 percent in all three polls. Livni is Israel's chief negotiator in peace talks with Palestinians. She favors diplomacy to solve Israel's problems, although she has said she would not hesitate to pull the trigger if necessary. Supporters at her headquarters cheered when the TV stations broadcast their polls simultaneously. THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below. JERUSALEM (AP)—Israel's ruling Kadima Party voted for a new leader Wednesday, choosing between Tzipi Livni, a popular foreign minister who would be the nation's first female prime minister in more than 30 years, and Shaul Mofaz, a gruff ex-general who favors a tough line against Iran, Syria and the Palestinians. The winner will likely be Israel's next prime minister, replacing Ehud Olmert, who is stepping down over corruption charges. The biggest issue at stake was the future of Israel's peace talks with the Palestinians, with Livni seen as far more amenable to a final deal than Mofaz. Livni, 50, is Israel's lead negotiator in those talks. Either candidate would make history by becoming prime minister. Livni would be the first female premier since Golda Meir. Mofaz, who was born in Iran, would be the first Israeli of Middle Eastern, or Sephardic, descent to lead the Jewish state. Mofaz is seen as having a better chance at cobbling together a ruling coalition if he wins. But polls show Livni to be a far stronger candidate in a general election against Israel's other political star, Benjamin Netanyahu of the hard-line Likud Party. Kadima extended voting hours by half an hour, apparently to give voters returning from work more time to cast ballots at crowded polling stations. Analysts predicted a high turnout would favor Livni, who has a wide advantage in opinion polls but who is seen not to have rallied party activists as efficiently as Mofaz. The fact that only 74,000 party members, in a country of 7 million people, were eligible to vote added to the uncertainty of the outcome. Israeli media reported that two hours before the new closing time of 10:30 p.m. (3:30 p.m. EDT), some 40 percent of the eligible Kadima voters had cast ballots. However, voting often picks up in the evening after working hours in Israel. Mofaz, a former chief of staff and defense minister, insisted that opinion polls that showed him trailing Livni were inaccurate. It remained unclear if either would be able to break the 40 percent threshold needed to avoid a runoff, which, if required, would be held next week. Two other candidates, Cabinet minister Meir Sheetrit and former Shin Bet security service director Avi Dichter, lagged far behind in the polls. The winner of the primary will have 42 days to put together a ruling coalition. Failure to do so would mean a new general election in early 2009, a year and a half ahead of schedule. Olmert will remain as a caretaker leader until a new coalition is approved by parliament. Foreign minister since 2006, Livni is a rare female power figure in a nation dominated by macho military men and a religious establishment with strict views on the role of women. A former lawyer and one-time agent in the Mossad spy agency, Livni favors diplomacy over confrontation, even though she said last week that she has "no problem pulling the trigger when necessary." Joyce Amiel, a Kadima supporter in Tel Aviv, said she was voting for Livni "mainly because she is a woman, even though her positions are not clear. We think she would do the best job. We want her to win." Casting her vote in Tel Aviv, the usually reserved Livni bubbled with uncharacteristic enthusiasm. She said she was pleased with the turnout at her polling station and urged people to vote. "You can determine today what the character of Kadima will be," Livni said. "You can determine today if you really have had enough of old-time politics. Come and vote, bring your children, and show them how you are changing the country." Mofaz takes a tougher line, demanding the Palestinians fulfill a series of conditions before a final deal can be reached. He also is more willing to order military action in times of crisis. He spooked global oil markets in June when he said Israel would have "no choice" but to attack Iran if sanctions fail to curb its nuclear program. He has since backed away from those comments. "The state of Israel stands before major challenges in the coming years and needs a strong leader who has the courage to decide and the ability to act," he told Army Radio. The primary is Kadima's first since it was founded by then-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in 2005. Sharon suffered a debilitating stroke in early 2006, and Olmert subsequently led the party to victory in elections. Olmert, who is under police investigation over his finances, has said he will resign as soon as Kadima has a new leader. He has been carrying out intensive peace talks with the moderate Palestinian leadership in charge of the West Bank, although both he and his Palestinian counterparts say they are unlikely to reach the U.S.-set target date of year's end for a final peace deal. Israeli political science professor Gadi Wolfsfeld predicted Livni could use such a deal to win a national election. "If she comes to a tentative agreement with the Palestinians, why not run on that platform, which would be very good for her," he said.

Link

Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Israeli police question Olmert for 7th time

2008-08-30

Police questioned Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert on Friday for a seventh time in connection with one of the multiple corruption probes that have driven him to announce his resignation. Olmert was questioned for 2 1/2 hours over a house he bought in Jerusalem before becoming prime minister in 2006, police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said. The premier is suspected of having received the house at a discount in exchange for promoting a Jerusalem construction project while he was the city's mayor. Police suspect irregular building permits were granted. Rosenfeld said Olmert's wife, Aliza, was also questioned for the first time in connection with the probes targeting the Israeli leader. He said he did not know whether she would be questioned further. The prime minister denies any wrongdoing in any of the cases and he has not been charged. Olmert has said he plans to step down after his Kadima Party holds leadership elections next month so he can fight the allegations -- all of which concern events that predated his premiership. The main probe concerns tens of thousands of dollars in cash he allegedly took from Jewish-American businessman Morris Talansky. Olmert's lawyers will continue cross-examining Talansky on Sunday and Monday, in an effort to refute his accusations. But Talansky's Israeli lawyer, Jacques Chen, said Friday that a Jerusalem court has put off the questioning until an undetermined date. Talansky's U.S. lawyers had recommended that he refuse to testify again before an Israeli court because the Israeli investigation mirrors a probe in the U.S., and by testifying further in Israel, Talansky could incriminate himself.

Link

Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Olmert 'taking investigators for a ride'

2008-08-09

The Israeli Premier is 'playing for time' amid probes into a corruption case that is to force him into resignation, an ex-investigator says. Dep. Cmdr. Boaz Guttman, ex-chief investigator of Israel's national fraud unit, said that Ehud Olmert is resorting to a series of "tricks" in the course of investigations into his bribery case. Police investigators arrived at Olmert's residence in al-Quds for a fifth time on Friday to interrogate him over charges of receiving cash in bribes from a US businessman during his tenure as trade minister in 2006. "Techniques like writing down the detectives' questions [as seen in leaked transcripts of previous questioning sessions,] and asking for each question to be repeated, do not allow for enough time for police to complete the interrogations," the Jerusalem Post quoted Guttman as saying. Police did not say whether the Friday session would be the last, saying "When we're done, we'll announce it". The premier has been under fire to leave office due to the bribery charge that is the latest in a series of scandals over his conduct in the years before he took office in 2006. He has faced numerous investigations into his financial affairs from his 10-year term as mayor of Jerusalem (al-Quds), and then as a cabinet minister until he succeeded Ariel Sharon as prime minister in early 2006. Olmert announced last month that he would step down after a September 17 leadership election in his ruling Kadima Party.

Link

Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Netanyahu: Kadima is selling Jerusalem to our enemies

2008-08-05

Opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday accused rival faction Kadima of planning to make sweeping concessions over Jerusalem to the Palestinians. "For the first time in the history of our nation, we come upon a development that we are unfamiliar with and that we cannot remember whereby the ruling party in our midst will come and offer up Jerusalem even to the worst of our enemies," Netanyahu said during an appearance at a Jerusalem conference commemorating 70 years since the founding of the Rabbi Kook Institute. Also in attendance at the event was Shas spiritual leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, who uncharacteristically showered praise on the Likud chairman. Yosef referred to Netanyahu as "my dear, beloved friend" who "does a great deal for the Torah." Meanwhile, Deputy Prime Minister Shaul Mofaz (Kadima) on Sunday vowed to form a coalition government before local authority elections on November 11. "Israel does not need general elections now, in light of the existential challenges facing us," Mofaz said, during his speech at an election rally for the Kiryat Ono municipal elections. Mofaz, who is locked in what is widely regarded to be a two-person race for the Kadima chairmanship against Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, said last Friday that the latest poll numbers indicating an advantage in favor of his rival in the Kadima Party primaries in September are bound to change. "I wouldn't advise anyone to base the future on polls," Mofaz said on Friday. "[The polls] are a mood, and this will change. I'm sure that I will win the primaries." Livni would lead Kadima to victory over Likud if elections were held today, according to a special poll conducted by Dialog last Thursday on behalf of Haaretz. For all the bitter struggle between Livni and Mofaz, Thursday's poll, conducted a day after Olmert announced that he would not seek re-election as Kadima's leader, shows that the foreign minister is the only politician who currently has enough public support to defeat Likud Chairman Benjamin Netanyahu. The poll of 503 Israelis, which has a margin of error of 4.1 percent, showed that in national elections, Kadima headed by Livni would win 26 seats in the Knesset, compared to 25 for Likud under Netanyahu. Netanyahu has consistently led in the polls for the past two years, but Thursday's survey seems to indicate that the political arena is changing.

Link

Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Netanyahu calls for early Israeli elections

2008-08-01

A day after Prime Minister Ehud Olmert announced he would depart political life, top rival Benjamin Netanyahu said Thursday that Israel should get rid of its current governing coalition and go straight to early elections. Polls show the Likud Party's Netanyahu -- a former prime minister who takes a hard line on territorial concessions to the Arabs -- would most likely win such a race if it were held today. Olmert threw Israel's political system into turmoil on Wednesday by abruptly announcing he would step down after his Kadima Party's leadership race in September, called because of a series of corruption allegations against him. "This is a government that has come to the end of its road," Netanyahu told Israel Radio on Thursday. "It doesn't make any difference who heads Kadima, they are all part to a string of failures by this government."

Link

Warning: Undefined property: stdClass::$T in /data/rantburg.com/www/pgrecentorg.php on line 132
-12 More