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I watched his "speech" along with live-blogging at Ace of Spades. This was a uniquely stumblef*ck episode and indicates the disarray among the socialists in the Admin. They have never received questions (which he blustered/filibustered/didn't answer) like this before. Arise people! Email, call your Reps and Senators and give em shit!
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LARGO, Md. (WUSA) -- Maryland Senator Ben Cardin, a Democrat who favors health care reform, faced an audience of more than 500 people (at its peak) Monday evening for what he called a town hall meeting on the topic that is the number one item on President Obama's domestic agenda.
With so many versions of the legislation in so many committees on Capitol Hill, the bill's final form is far from known. "We're at the first stages of the discussion of health care reform," Cardin said. And we want to pass it as soon as we can so nobody knows what unconstitutional stuff is in there.
Audience members could offer questions on cards that were passed out as they entered the Prince George's County Community College Student Center, or they could line up at microphones to offer them in person.
Perhaps the most controversial, came from Robert Broadus of Clinton, Maryland, an audience member who had lost his job and replaced it with one that paid him far less money. "I decided not to get the health insurance. That's working out for me because I'm able to save that extra money and give it to my family members and use it on myself. Senator Cardin, I want to know are you going to tell me, an individual...that I have to buy health care or else you're going to fine me $2,500 every year I don't get it? Our founding fathers assured us we have a Bill of Rights and I want to see you uphold that," Broadus said in an increasingly emotional voice and to scattered applause.
Cardin responded by asking Broadus what would happen if he became sick, broke a bone, had a car accident and ended up in an emergency room. "You don't pay. You are part of the population that shifts its costs over to a person who does pay, and they're paying for you," Cardin said. Not necessarily true, of course, those that can pay something have to pay through a collection agency.
Explaining how hospitals have often to absorb those costs, Cardin said many hospitals would chose simply to leave the community. "I just think the overriding public interest is to require you and everyone in this country to have health insurance," Cardin said. By his reasoning the Government is no longer by the people and could do anything it wants as long as there is an overriding public interest. The other thing he is saying is it's the taxpayers' responsibility to pay for other people's insurance. These people are very dangerous.
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I foresee people bribing their way in, not much different from now where the highest paid folks get better treatment than the unlucky poor.
Posted by: Redneck Jim ||
07/22/2009 17:41 Comments ||
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The masks are falling off. Welcome to serfdom circa 2000 peasants.
You are part of the population that shifts its costs over to a person who does pay
NO. It's the ruling class that shifts the cost to others. Under the old Christian culture, such shifting voluntary, encouraged, but voluntary. Under the new Socialist culture, those in power insist that transfers occur without the consent of the fleeced class.
This legislation will be very interesting to watch--particularly if it gets passed. Would California be able to prevent permitted out-of-staters from legally carrying firearms when visiting Kalifornia? Essentially the States are moving in this direction anyway as more and more states have reciprocity agreements. That is if you live in Tennessee and are permitted, you can also legally carry in 18 other states by formal agreement. There are another 16 states that recognize Tennessee's law concealed carry law but don't have formal reciprocity agreements with Tennessee. The Feds are just a little behind the curve as to "what is already in place."
Reporting from Washington -- Invoking an argument used by President George W. Bush, the Obama administration has turned down a request from a watchdog group for a list of health industry executives who have visited the White House to discuss the massive healthcare overhaul.
Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington sent a letter to the Secret Service asking about visits from 18 executives representing health insurers, drug makers, doctors and other players in the debate. The group wants the material in order to gauge the influence of those executives in crafting a new healthcare policy.
The Secret Service sent a reply stating that documents revealing the frequency of such visits were considered presidential records exempt from public disclosure laws. The agency also said it was advised by the Justice Department that the Secret Service was within its rights to withhold the information because of the "presidential communications privilege."
Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics said it would file suit against the Obama administration as early as today. The group already has sued the administration over its failure to release details about visits from coal industry executives.
A White House spokesman, Ben LaBolt, said, "We are reviewing our policy on access to visitor logs and related litigation."
As a candidate, President Obama vowed that in devising a healthcare bill he would invite in TV cameras -- specifically C-SPAN -- so that Americans could have a window into negotiations that normally play out behind closed doors.
Having promised transparency, the administration should be willing to disclose who it is consulting in shaping healthcare policy, said an attorney for the citizens' group. In its letter requesting the records, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics asked about visits from Billy Tauzin, president of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America; Karen Ignagni, president of America's Health Insurance Plans; William Weldon, chairman and CEO of Johnson & Johnson; and J. James Rohack, president of the American Medical Assn., among others.
"It's extremely disappointing," said Anne Weismann, the group's chief counsel. Obama is relying on a legal argument that "continues one of the bad, anti-transparency, pro-secrecy approaches that the Bush administration had taken. And it seems completely at odds with the president's commitment . . . to bring a new level of transparency to his government."
PhRMA, which represents the nation's drug companies, said it had taken part in two meetings with senior White House officials in the Roosevelt Room. Participants, according to Tauzin, included White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, along with the CEOs of some major drug companies. Both meetings were closed to the public.
In an interview, Tauzin said most of the "real negotiations" took place with the Senate Finance Committee. At its meetings with the White House, the drug industry reported on progress made with the Senate and got a briefing from Obama officials "about how they saw" healthcare reform unfolding, Tauzin said.
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Tauzin? Former D, then Former R From Louisiana?
Yep, same congressman who played a key role in shepherding the Medicare Prescription Drug Bill through Congress, which had been criticized by opponents for being too generous to the pharmaceutical industry. Walter B. Jones (R-N.C.) and Rep. Dan Burton accused him of using unethical tactics to push a bill that "the pharmaceutical lobbyists wrote". Their claim is supported by CSPAN video, the fact that it was the longest roll call in the history of the House of Representatives, and the 3 a.m. voting time.
Now he is out of Congress making 2.5 Mil a year lobbying for the Pharm industry giants, and getting his claws into Govt money from Obama and his crooked former fellow-legislators in Congress.
Yeah, Obama is doing back-room deals with the likes of this guy. Makes me feel REAL good about his plan.
#1
Sounds like the most capable aircraft in the world. The House and Senate now will have to work out their differences in conference. BO's administration heads towards Jimmy Carter territory.
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And yet they found $10,000,000,000.00 for ACORN an organization under indictment for voter fraud in a dozen states. As Prof. Reynolds says, "The country's in the best of hands."
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Reporting from Washington -- Invoking an argument used by President George W. Bush, the Obama administration has turned down a request from a watchdog group for a list of health industry executives who have visited the White House to discuss the massive healthcare overhaul.
